Lucius Vorenus
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obviously. however, they don't say shit.
LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow
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MurshDawg
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You can tell by the light... if the light looks like daylight (really really white) it's a cool bulb if it looks like a reading lamp or an HPS (really orange) than it's warm
okthanks2
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Not yet, they are coming from Germany. I just emailed them today to see when they were getting sent out and I got a reply in German.LOL
okthanks2
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So I just got some Aqua Medic Plant Grow bulbs and tried them out. They are very "white" looking with a tinge of pink. I would say DEFINATELY stick with the Fiji Purples. So far they are the "reddest" 2nd to the Red Suns. Hyroot, I would say your bulb configuration is the best so far. I did purchase some of the ATI procolor bulbs that are discontinued, got them for $8.99 a piece so I couldn't pass it up, however, they are quite on the "white" side as well. They are supposed to contain some red, but I can't see it! They are VERY comparable to the Aquamedic plant grow bulbs, but a little dimmer. Not much though. I don't understand why they look so white!? I can't wait to check out the T5 HO Gro-Lux bulbs. I had purchased some T8 standard output bulbs (gro-lux) and they had a real nice color light, but very very dim. They were pink/purple.
okthanks2
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Just a quick update on the Dr. Earth soil: So Hyroot, you was right once again! Approximately 1 week later, started seeing a Mg deficiency. I am so fed up to this point I just bought some Miracle Grow Moisture control soil. They are looking a lot healthier now and NO BUGS! I purchased a bag of Happy Frog once again and will keep it outside for now since I had bugs with that type recently. I can't have any more problems with bugs, it has really set me behind schedule. I will have to check the PH as well. I am still waiting for a reply as to what "super soil" to use. I googled it and got back about 20 different types of "super soil."
overTHEman
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Hello PAR T5 Community
I discovered this thread on halloween, read it that night, and received my bulbs one month later.
The science here is undeniable and the examples are quality. Prof, PetFlora, murshdawg, hyroot, organicbynature, and others; thank you, you have all contributed to a great wealth of knowledge on this thread.
I'm new around here and would like to be involved in any way possible. Most importantly I'm here to learn.
Fiji, Redsun, 454, Fiji
I discovered this thread on halloween, read it that night, and received my bulbs one month later.
The science here is undeniable and the examples are quality. Prof, PetFlora, murshdawg, hyroot, organicbynature, and others; thank you, you have all contributed to a great wealth of knowledge on this thread.
I'm new around here and would like to be involved in any way possible. Most importantly I'm here to learn.
Fiji, Redsun, 454, Fiji
MurshDawg
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Dude! I love your scrog! Nice choice on bulbs, too. Do you have a journal thread I can sub up to? Btw here's my newest video update[video=youtube;kpCYrsk7Z9Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpCYrsk7Z9Y&context=C29f68ADOEgsToPDskIC1m y-jr6eH9APeJ1kKA2u[/video]
okthanks2
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Is this the light configuration you veg under? Flower? Veg?
Undercover Cop
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Ive been so busy lately and havent posted much, but Im still lurking around 
Had 3 males I had to kill 
but I still have 2 in flower and 5 in veg. I just ordered a radiion 48 (8x48") to replace my 4 bulb t5 Im using in veg now, Im going to put it opposite the 4 bulb unit I have hanging for side light in my flower box, so Ill have 4 on each side. I currently have a wavepoint blue wave and reef wave with 2 6500k's for veg, and wavepoint coral wave and red wave with 3000k bloom's for flowering under a 400w Growbrite HPS in a cool tube. I was gonna go all t5 for flowering but decided to try the cool tube... Im sorry but the 400 is rocking inside the tube! temps are fine for now so Ill use the HPS until it starts getting hot out again in March, then all T5's thru summer
pics from yesterday... .
I just ordered 4 UVL red suns and some more coral wave and reef waves to use with the 10000k and 460nm actinics the 8x48 T5 comes with. Ill have pics of the new setup on friday
Had 3 males I had to kill but I still have 2 in flower and 5 in veg. I just ordered a radiion 48 (8x48") to replace my 4 bulb t5 Im using in veg now, Im going to put it opposite the 4 bulb unit I have hanging for side light in my flower box, so Ill have 4 on each side. I currently have a wavepoint blue wave and reef wave with 2 6500k's for veg, and wavepoint coral wave and red wave with 3000k bloom's for flowering under a 400w Growbrite HPS in a cool tube. I was gonna go all t5 for flowering but decided to try the cool tube... Im sorry but the 400 is rocking inside the tube! temps are fine for now so Ill use the HPS until it starts getting hot out again in March, then all T5's thru summer pics from yesterday... .
I just ordered 4 UVL red suns and some more coral wave and reef waves to use with the 10000k and 460nm actinics the 8x48 T5 comes with. Ill have pics of the new setup on friday
Undercover Cop
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Any input on distance from plants to keep your T5's? I know its been covered, and the general concensus is 3-6"ish, I know Prof keeps his further for better spectral blending... just looking for input from actual T5 Par growers with experience. The pic in my last post was just posing, I normally keep em 3-4" above the tops if I can, and I notice very strong growth, like they're reaching for the blue in veg.
As side lighting, you can see the tops that are reaching for the T5's, under the 400w HPS
Before I had to kill my males, I now only have the two smaller girls in front.
Ill soon have another 4x48" T5 opposite this one in flower w/ some UVL Red suns Ill prob loose the cfl's then
As side lighting they're generally a little further away than they would be if on top... any thoughts on distance for side lighting? should I smush them right up into the foliage? or let the fan leaves work in behind the bulbs even? The t5's dont burn if left on the leaf surface, so...? Ill prob try it, Im just worried the overall ambient temp might get too high between the 2 4-bulb T5 units, Ill have to use a few more fans for sure.
As side lighting, you can see the tops that are reaching for the T5's, under the 400w HPS
Before I had to kill my males, I now only have the two smaller girls in front.
Ill soon have another 4x48" T5 opposite this one in flower
w/ some UVL Red suns Ill prob loose the cfl's thenAs side lighting they're generally a little further away than they would be if on top... any thoughts on distance for side lighting? should I smush them right up into the foliage? or let the fan leaves work in behind the bulbs even? The t5's dont burn if left on the leaf surface, so...? Ill prob try it, Im just worried the overall ambient temp might get too high between the 2 4-bulb T5 units, Ill have to use a few more fans for sure.
AltarNation
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Careful, T5's have a rated running temp of 95 degrees F and if there isn't a fan right on the bulb it can definitely get hot enough to hurt the plant a little. I don't know about leaves but I have had some buds harmed by growing into the lights.
Personally, I like to keep mine as close as possible. I don't care about spectrum balancing so much, I rotate and move my plants regularly to keep that from being too much of an issue. However, I find that I don't want to get closer than about 3" because of the heat... it just scares me a little so I play it safe... though I have to say that was before I built my ballast cooler, which works like a charm, and I don't really worry about too much heat buildup under the fixture now.
Personally, I like to keep mine as close as possible. I don't care about spectrum balancing so much, I rotate and move my plants regularly to keep that from being too much of an issue. However, I find that I don't want to get closer than about 3" because of the heat... it just scares me a little so I play it safe... though I have to say that was before I built my ballast cooler, which works like a charm, and I don't really worry about too much heat buildup under the fixture now.
overTHEman
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A video update, wonderful. Your garden looks fantastic.
okthanks2, this is my current light configuration for both veg and flower. 50/50 red/blue per the pr0f's instructions.
Altarnation! Thank you as well, you have been an excellent resource for this thread.
UnderCurrentDWC
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A quick update:
Again the plants look super healthy!... more so than any other veg light I've used!
The plants stink like a skunk again!
This coming week I'll take clones from these plants let them veg till the weekend, then switch them over to flower.
Last week
Again the plants look super healthy!... more so than any other veg light I've used!
The plants stink like a skunk again!
This coming week I'll take clones from these plants let them veg till the weekend, then switch them over to flower.
Last week
Undercover Cop
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DAAAMMMn! UCDWC's got a micro jungle going on! Nice! And I think its hilarious that I logged on right now with the sole intention of letting it be known how impressed I am with my growth, and the last post is from you saying the same thing lol!
For Veg I only have one WavePoint Blue Wave and Reef Wave @ 420 & 460nm, with 2 6500k's in a 4 bulb fixture. I have never in my life seen internode distances as short as what Im seeing now on my vegging babies. Im talking under 6 inches tall and a foot in diameter foliage. Internodes at under 1/2".
I gotta go take some pics, and try to find some pics from last week to compare growth. But I came home today and just sat for about 30mins smiling at how bushy my babies are. Ive never seen growth like this before, and the plants that have spent thier whole life under the t5's are trouble free and just soaking up the light they like. leaf tips just pointing the way up toward the light!
lemme go take more pics
For Veg I only have one WavePoint Blue Wave and Reef Wave @ 420 & 460nm, with 2 6500k's in a 4 bulb fixture. I have never in my life seen internode distances as short as what Im seeing now on my vegging babies. Im talking under 6 inches tall and a foot in diameter foliage. Internodes at under 1/2".
I gotta go take some pics, and try to find some pics from last week to compare growth. But I came home today and just sat for about 30mins smiling at how bushy my babies are. Ive never seen growth like this before, and the plants that have spent thier whole life under the t5's are trouble free and just soaking up the light they like. leaf tips just pointing the way up toward the light!
lemme go take more pics
ohiogrown03
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28 days into flower here are some updated pictures of some kind of bean i got. i have some killing fields, k.o. kush, mad kush, and jackberry x k.o. kush beans in the mail. moving to a new place soon so i will be sure to let you all know how those go. also love seeing all the action going on in this thread, underdwc your are looking great as well as the others posted recently.
below closeup of random budsite
just another site
whole thing, i have light setup where i can raise it up and set it at a 45 degree angle, just take it down so i can get pictures. also have a 400hps just out of sight.
all the black tape is just wire spreading out the sites a bit and pulled top down before flower and just rearranged the stems a bit to optimize light to the flowers.
just a birds eye view, the main cola is pointing towards the bottom of the screen near the bottom of pic. it's about 8-10" thats gotten thick so far, most there are probably 5-6 branches that are 6-8"ish and another 5-6 that are in the 4-6"ish of full thick flowering. hoping to get around 50g dry out of it, think that is reasonable?
this one came out really trippy in high res, might upload it in full res somewhere to get full effect, looks photoshopped or something. it's just a shot along a flower site. guess the expensive cameras are good for something.
another site
little size/length comparison of one of the 5-6 larger sites other than main
all in all i've been very happy with the results in veg with the t5 only w/ specialty bulb assortment, and was very happy with flowering results with bulbs used in this thread as well, the hps was added to make sure it is still reliable for an extended period of time, and the thought that it can't really hurt as it still is getting 2/3 to 3/4ish canopy exposure to t5 still. I do rotate the plant once during light period to give equal time to it all. all of this will be easier once i have a little more permanent setup, but this was setup for a one time use before moving to have a bit after move while i get things setup. i just hope this gives me enough to at least last half the 4 months i'm going to need to get a new harvest from seeds.
below closeup of random budsite
just another site
whole thing, i have light setup where i can raise it up and set it at a 45 degree angle, just take it down so i can get pictures. also have a 400hps just out of sight.
all the black tape is just wire spreading out the sites a bit and pulled top down before flower and just rearranged the stems a bit to optimize light to the flowers.
just a birds eye view, the main cola is pointing towards the bottom of the screen near the bottom of pic. it's about 8-10" thats gotten thick so far, most there are probably 5-6 branches that are 6-8"ish and another 5-6 that are in the 4-6"ish of full thick flowering. hoping to get around 50g dry out of it, think that is reasonable?
this one came out really trippy in high res, might upload it in full res somewhere to get full effect, looks photoshopped or something. it's just a shot along a flower site. guess the expensive cameras are good for something.
another site
little size/length comparison of one of the 5-6 larger sites other than main
all in all i've been very happy with the results in veg with the t5 only w/ specialty bulb assortment, and was very happy with flowering results with bulbs used in this thread as well, the hps was added to make sure it is still reliable for an extended period of time, and the thought that it can't really hurt as it still is getting 2/3 to 3/4ish canopy exposure to t5 still. I do rotate the plant once during light period to give equal time to it all. all of this will be easier once i have a little more permanent setup, but this was setup for a one time use before moving to have a bit after move while i get things setup. i just hope this gives me enough to at least last half the 4 months i'm going to need to get a new harvest from seeds.
Redoctober
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This might be a silly question but a bunch of websites are listing certain bulbs (e.g. Red Sun) @ 46 inches instead of 48 inches. Do they really mean 48 inches? Or are there actually 46 inch fixtures that these bulbs are designed for, and won't fit a 48 inch BadBoy?
Here's one such listing from Marine Depot. I was about to order from them but now I'm not sure; thought I'd check with you guys first. If you click the drop down arrow where it says: size - please select...
http://www.marinedepot.com/UVL_T5_V_HO_Red_Sun_Bulb_633NM_VHO_Fluorescent_T5_Light_Bulbs-UV_Lighting_Company_(UVL)-UF5229-FILTBUT5VH-vi.html
Here's one such listing from Marine Depot. I was about to order from them but now I'm not sure; thought I'd check with you guys first. If you click the drop down arrow where it says: size - please select...
http://www.marinedepot.com/UVL_T5_V_HO_Red_Sun_Bulb_633NM_VHO_Fluorescent_T5_Light_Bulbs-UV_Lighting_Company_(UVL)-UF5229-FILTBUT5VH-vi.html
hyroot
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a lot of them say that. but its fine.
einsteinus
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Well bob I hope you ....came..........to your senses.....when you finally came back to earth and relazied how dumb that question was...only a blind person like myself cannot see a green plant under a blue light....under such conditions it would appear black......