Government Regulation
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Wow, it should take 3-6 months tops and require 1 permit. Make it a pass fail thing, rather than a "We are going to fucking suck you dry financially before we let you open this stand."
NLXSK1
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Just the paperwork and not the court fights... Now it would likely take 20 years.
NLXSK1
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From a politician.
canndo
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Well then, it is as reliable as can be, right?
IMO it should only take as long as it takes to cook a hamburger, wrap it and sell it. Permit? Why do I need a permit when the buying and selling of hamburgers is not illegal? Just like why do i need a driver's license when driving is not illegal? I don't need permission from the state to participate in activities that are completely legal.
canndo
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Come now. No "permit"? I set up my stand in a place where, if people visit they will hold up general traffic - that's ok? I set up my stand and have no way to contend with the grease - no trap, no storage, I just pour it into the sewer system - no permit? I set up the stand and in short order there are rats roaming in the kitchen (the customers don't see), vermin run from my location to others in the neighborhood - no permit? I see NoDrama that you don't seem to be aware of the commons - the preservation and maintainance of which is the purpose of most regulation.
mame
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There was a Burrito cart near my house a while back that got shut down recently; They had a permit, but apparently the city recieved some complaints about concerns of the food there... When an inspector came by they were forced to shut down unless they could get an electric powered Fridge. I heard via a couple store owners that they were using bagged ice in coolers which had apparently been mostly melted and didn't hold food within the right temps...
The money they paid towards that permit is at least in part meant to pay for the expenses of enforcing regulations; The inspectors do indeed need to be paid after all, and who else but the food cart owners should pay for that necessary expense? To some extent, sure, those costs will be passed down but the bigger goal - food safety - is achieved this way.
IMO permits are about enforcing regulation and charging for goods and/or services which are generally deemed reasonable and proper. I was under the impression that you'd like a fee for service model ND over, for example, income taxation.
tomahawk2406
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thats funny, a little while back my buddy opened a skate shop like nothing
tomahawk2406
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hahaha seriously??
Dan Kone
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Well it should take A permit. We have a right to make sure a restaurant is safe and sanitary before they start selling food.
However requiring 57 permits and 2 years should be criminal. I'm sure half of those permits involve the owner paying for various "impact studies" which are generally just extremely expensive scams. These studies are generally done by the same people who run local politicians campaigns and are nothing more than a way for pencil pushers to extort business owners.
The amount of hoops one has to jump through and people you have to pay in order to order to open a small business is an obscenity.
Dan Kone
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I very much believe it. That's how my city is run.
The permits/studies required to open a dispensary in my city cost ~$75 thousand dollars. The last person who paid all that money and successfully jumped through all their hoops ended up being denied with no reason given beyond "I don't think we need another dispensary right now". That was after he was told it was ok if he went through the permit process.
A liquor store wanted to move directly across the street from where they were at the time. It took them 1.5 years to go through the permit process where they had to pay rent on both buildings.
What he's describing is not at all unusual.
sync0s
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While health code is not an absolute necessity (One should look into these things themselves if they are worried about it), if they are going to require the process there shouldn't be more than one permit ever. The whole point of all of those hoops is to keep people out of the industry therefore increasing the power that companies like Mcdonald's, BK, Sonic, and Wendy's hold over the market.
OK, I see your point. We need to pay government to restrict our liberties.
You all for little girls needing $500 permits just to sell lemonade in front of their home too?
You ever eat at the burrito cart?
Are you trying to tell me that food safety is impossible without paying for a permit? I have been cooking food for me and my family for many decades now, never had a permit. No one has died yet. No rats in my kitchen, i pour the grease right down the fucking drain!!! Into the public sewer, I put urine and feces in there too, and i do it all on purpose.
What do you do, man. I hate even the idea of permits, it's like paying for your right to try and make money. But in the same token people want to know that the servers of their food know how to handle food properly, and a permit would ensure that only those with a food handlers license is handling their food, not some know nothing, but even that idea makes me cringe without some tweaking.
Make the permits optional, and inform residents that those who have been certified and obtained a permit get to advertise as a certified food handling business, while the ones who decide to not have a license will not be allowed to say they have such permits, and just make the publicly post that you eat there at your own risk. Then as a community, those who like to know their food is safe can promote the hell out of those types of resturants, maybe even make a citizens guide (made by the citizens, not a governmental entity) that shows where certified business are.
I just like the idea of adults simply being informed, and then being allowed to make their own decisions. The government can tell me all they want what's bad for me, but it has to stop at words, I don't want them making things they think are bad illegal or impossible to obtain. So in my world little girls could have their lemonade stands, you would just have to drink it at your own risk or look for a stand that has been certified and approved if thats your thing, both could compete openly on the free market as equals, and the people will decide who they like more with the only influence being one offers a set parameters of safety regulations that are universal across the city and/or state, so people coming in and out know what to expect from a certified vendor.
I like this idea, of course all those people with permits who have to charge more for the exact same thing as the other guy is selling and will eventually try to force the non permit owner to also get permits so as to even the playing field.
I don't think licensing helps at all, im totally against having to get a license in order to provide your services. Let people get certifications instead, something optional so they aren't forced to pay a special"tax" in order to work.
Harrekin
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That's kinda how our system works over here. Anyone can start any business, however there is a certification system for food businesses and a licensing system for selling alcohol, firearms, tobacco and copyrighted video material.
You can regulate an industry without choking it to death, the little girl would still have her lemonade stand, just she wouldn't have the certification a restaurant would and as such you make a choice whether or not to purchase from her.
There is basic business regulations like needing to file accounts, register for tax, etc but that's pretty standard.