MTV Martial Law Commercial. Something to think about...

canndo

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While I agree with the sentiment, there are some differences between the holocost and our country, namely that we are HEAVILY ARMED as a society. So long as somehow we are forewarned, this sort of scenario would be pretty short lived. Do you actually suppose that anyone out there with a fire arm would waste much time wondering what was happening to him? (or her) It is my understanding that this is the exact reason for the 2nd amendment.
 

Dirty Harry

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While I agree with the sentiment, there are some differences between the holocost and our country, namely that we are HEAVILY ARMED as a society. So long as somehow we are forewarned, this sort of scenario would be pretty short lived. Do you actually suppose that anyone out there with a fire arm would waste much time wondering what was happening to him? (or her) It is my understanding that this is the exact reason for the 2nd amendment.
While I agree with that, also remember THEY also know that. That is why they send in large teams of SWAT for non-violent people when they raid homes. The most dangerous place for a tyrannical government to hit is the personal home. I know my house, where to hide, and where I keep my weapons...they don't.
Snatching and grabbing people while at work, on public transportation, or where people normally gather is safer and easier. Most people who have not been in combat or been under fire will panic and freeze when confronted by a large group with guns and dogs. Even if one or some being rounded up puts up any resistance, I can see them firing into the crowd.
Forcibly rounding up people out in the open is always easier and safer than getting them out of a building or from under cover.
If it gets to that point, do you really think they will care if they have to mow down a few dozen people to take control of the larger group?
I picked up two more magazines for my .45 last week, and plan on getting an AR15 after Christmas if my bonus comes through.

Also, if Martial law is declared, that puts the constitution aside.
 

canndo

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While I agree with that, also remember THEY also know that. That is why they send in large teams of SWAT for non-violent people when they raid homes. The most dangerous place for a tyrannical government to hit is the personal home. I know my house, where to hide, and where I keep my weapons...they don't.
Snatching and grabbing people while at work, on public transportation, or where people normally gather is safer and easier. Most people who have not been in combat or been under fire will panic and freeze when confronted by a large group with guns and dogs. Even if one or some being rounded up puts up any resistance, I can see them firing into the crowd.
Forcibly rounding up people out in the open is always easier and safer than getting them out of a building or from under cover.
If it gets to that point, do you really think they will care if they have to mow down a few dozen people to take control of the larger group?
I picked up two more magazines for my .45 last week, and plan on getting an AR15 after Christmas if my bonus comes through.

Also, if Martial law is declared, that puts the constitution aside.

so long as we retain some semblance of communication they won't be able to fire into crowds very many times. The bill of rights is numbered the way it is for a reason, the first amendment is first because it is the most important. Under what pretense could the governmentn delcare martial law and make it stick?
 

budlover13

King Tut
so long as we retain some semblance of communication they won't be able to fire into crowds very many times. The bill of rights is numbered the way it is for a reason, the first amendment is first because it is the most important. Under what pretense could the governmentn delcare martial law and make it stick?
But under martial law the Constitution is no defense. It is null and void. S&W still carries some weight at that point though.

As for what could lead to martial law? Google "false flag attack" and look at what happened to the Reichstag.
 

Dirty Harry

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But under martial law the Constitution is no defense. It is null and void. S&W still carries some weight at that point though.

As for what could lead to martial law? Google "false flag attack" and look at what happened to the Reichstag.
Yep, under martial law you become property of the state with no rights other than what they choose to give you. You will be treated no better than cattle.
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

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While I agree with the sentiment, there are some differences between the holocost and our country, namely that we are HEAVILY ARMED as a society. So long as somehow we are forewarned, this sort of scenario would be pretty short lived. Do you actually suppose that anyone out there with a fire arm would waste much time wondering what was happening to him? (or her) It is my understanding that this is the exact reason for the 2nd amendment.

Wrong. Before 1938 it was legal for citizens of Germany to possess firearms and in fact quite a few did due to the first world war. I don't care how well armed someone is you are not going to win against against govt thugs.
 

canndo

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Wrong. Before 1938 it was legal for citizens of Germany to possess firearms and in fact quite a few did due to the first world war. I don't care how well armed someone is you are not going to win against against govt thugs.
Did Germany have what? 200 million firearms?
 

Dirty Harry

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i cannot believe that it would go down like this on a national level.

i see conflict.
Notice no one saw those news stories until well after they happened? The only stories were of national guard choppers coming under fire from the people they supposedly were there to help.
If it happens, your not going to see live news reports of it, or any reports for that matter. Martial law meaning the Constitution is null and void also means no freedom of the press. The events will not be allowed to be reported. The govt. has too much control of the media right now, but they would have total control of it in that situation.

The only way most people would know something is taking place is to of been caught in it, or witnessed it themselves and spread the story by word of mouth. It would not be far fetched that during martial law the government could/would seize all ISP providers and force them to turn off their equipment and shut down all US based DNS servers or point everything to a null address.
They may not have the ability to shut the world wide web down, but they have the ability make it damn near unusable in the USA.
 

canndo

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I have a big problem with those videos, they would be more believeable if they weren't so obviously anti "democrat". Where are the law suits? You can be DAMN SURE that if any weapon of mine (I am a Dem by the way) were confiscated there would be a suit filed the moment my house was dry. I also believe that this was a special situation (not one I approve of) where there was a natural disaster. This is not what we are talking about necessarily but an order of martial law across the entire country. No, I doubt we will see direct reports. I think the fundamental question is why would there be martial law declared and how would it be declared. I don't believe the people of the United States would stand for it and I believe they would refuse. Furthermore I believe that national guard troops may well refuse to enforce such orders.
 

OGEvilgenius

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When MTV is doing this shit, something is very wrong indeed. Makes you wonder though, if the powers that be don't want to start an American Revolution.
 

Dirty Harry

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Paranoid much!!!!!!!!
Ask that to the American Japanese citizens who are still around from being present shortly after the Pearl Harbor attack...as they were being rounded up and put into detention camps.
It is a proven fact that the government has rounded up and detained it's own citizens before. You can't deny that fact.
They did it once, so it is possible they can do it again.
 
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