I need a more precise guideline for watering than "feel the weight, duderino".
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Sunbiz1
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And you would recommend this for new growers?. I sure hope not.
tip top toker
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It is swings and roundabouts. Cannabis was the first plant i grew in my life, i put the ungerminated seeds straight into the pot they would be finishing in. I encountered no isues as a result and got a nice trouble free 2 ounce a plant harvest. I understand your reasoning, but the flip side is that a new grower starting in small pots then has to worry about transplanting potentially multiple times and encountering issues with that regard. I happily advice people just to go straight with the pot they mean to finish with. The only exception would be if they are very limited in space and can't get away with a big pot taking up space only to be a male. From my experience when i started growin, niether is more complicated or easier than the next, both methods have their set of problems for a new grower to overcome, if starting in a big pot, it is watering, if starting in small pots, it is being rootbound or damaging or causing stress during transplant. As i say, it's my firm opinion that it's swings and roundabouts and either way will work just dandy.
Sunbiz1
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And what happens when this new grower adds too many nutes, or uses a medium with too many additives to begin with(MG)?. This is the most common problem I see here. Then the medium has to be changed. I have transplanted hundreds of times, and not once have I had a plant go into shock. Last August, I had to do an emergency pre-flowering transplant from a 5 gal. The plant was 5' tall and didn't miss a beat in her new home. I feel new growers should start small b/c it is easier to correct mistakes.
tip top toker
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If a grower adds too many nutes, or uses a hot soil mix, it won't make a difference if it's a large tub or a small tub, it's still too many nutes or too hot a soil. It's virtually exactly the same procedure to correct, just on different scales, but the change in scale does not come with a change in complexity as well. If i made an error, i would flush it or act accordingly. I have grown in all size containers, each grow has been practically the same.
You notice how we are both talking about how we have no issues with our respective methods. That's the point, both work. I was initially advised to just pop the seeds straight in the soil in their final pots (as well as having been told about using smaller pots for xy or z), i had absolutely zero experience in horticulture of any form, even with all being different strains, i came off just fine. The only issues i encoutered were courtesy of using one of those crappy prong ph/moisture/light meters, learnt that lesson the ahrd way, don't buy em
You notice how we are both talking about how we have no issues with our respective methods. That's the point, both work. I was initially advised to just pop the seeds straight in the soil in their final pots (as well as having been told about using smaller pots for xy or z), i had absolutely zero experience in horticulture of any form, even with all being different strains, i came off just fine. The only issues i encoutered were courtesy of using one of those crappy prong ph/moisture/light meters, learnt that lesson the ahrd way, don't buy em
sweetswisher
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Ya wats wrong with putting them straight into 5 gallon buckets, or 20 gallons even?
Howard Stern
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If you have the room there is nothing wrong with that! They actualy love it! They will grow faster, and that is from experiance! I had four clones from the same mother I put the smallest one straight into 5 gallon and she outgrew the rest of them quite quickly and became the latgest one! 20 gal bucket?????? If you are growing indoors there is no need to go bigger than a 5 gallon! IMHO but I water every day so the roots aren't looking for water and they don't get root bound and my ladies finish out around 3-5 feet tall. If you are growing outside then yeah you will need that extra space for your roots if you aren't able to get out there as often to water them.
i like take weed barrier and i super glue or staple it in to a sack i fill with dirt just like a smart pot i then place it in pie pan. i make big sacks 6 gallon so i use turkey cooking trays from the dollar store. under them. get a 2 dollar temp humidity thermometer. water your plants from the bottom. pour water in the tray every hour tell they wont take up and more. then watch your humidty in your room. for the next few days. it will raise up. when it gets bak down to normal level water again. normal being what ever it is before doing any of this. id say around 30%
Sunbiz1
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New growers always have to fight the urge to do too much, so I figured less was better. I do plenty of in-grounds as well, and realize unlimited space is the way to go.If a grower adds too many nutes, or uses a hot soil mix, it won't make a difference if it's a large tub or a small tub, it's still too many nutes or too hot a soil. It's virtually exactly the same procedure to correct, just on different scales, but the change in scale does not come with a change in complexity as well. If i made an error, i would flush it or act accordingly. I have grown in all size containers, each grow has been practically the same.
You notice how we are both talking about how we have no issues with our respective methods. That's the point, both work. I was initially advised to just pop the seeds straight in the soil in their final pots (as well as having been told about using smaller pots for xy or z), i had absolutely zero experience in horticulture of any form, even with all being different strains, i came off just fine. The only issues i encoutered were courtesy of using one of those crappy prong ph/moisture/light meters, learnt that lesson the ahrd way, don't buy em
Much of what a grower does is bases upon available resources, both methods are fine. If I were a new grower, I would ask you how does one water seedlings in a contained environment with an overabundance of medium?. It's a bit different than dumping water on my guerrilla grows b/c containment changes things.
Sunbiz1
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Had to finish this indoor in a 7 gal., the big bitch took 84 days to flower as well.
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heyYousGuys
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It's fucking watering. No one taught me, I just used some common fucking sense and after a few weeks, I adjusted to my plants needs. HAHA. Man, I only read up to page 5 before I could take any more of this "first time" growers mouth.
Holy fuck, if you don't like the old methods, get your plants side by side and water each one in a different manner, do your own research if you don't want to listen to EXPERIENCED growers. POINTLESS fucking thread. If your attitude wasn't shit, we'd be more receptive.
Holy fuck, if you don't like the old methods, get your plants side by side and water each one in a different manner, do your own research if you don't want to listen to EXPERIENCED growers. POINTLESS fucking thread. If your attitude wasn't shit, we'd be more receptive.
luckybleu
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you sound like an asshole .
heyYousGuys
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AMEN to that. What are you gonna do when you have to start blending nutes? Are the experienced growers going to be useless to you on that one too?
afrawfraw
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I grew with organic soil for a year. My advice to you is use more vermiculite/perlite, and water more often. Every other day is fine. This will do 2 things. It will allow the nutrients to saturate the entire root mass, limiting/eliminating dry spots. Also, it is difficult to over water a well draining medium. As you gain experience, you can hone in on the right combo. Hope this helps. Good luck!
Roflicer
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Let the pot dry out, lift, and wala light weight, water..lift and wala you're done. Its what I had to do to figure out that method and it worked perfectly I can walk outside lift the pot and tell exactly if it needs watering or not. Lets say there was a black 1 gallon jug, could you tell the difference between it being empty, and it being full? It's the same idea. But your next question is how do I know when its dry, I always finger the holes on the bottom . Worst case scenerio, grab another bucket, fill it with dirt, water it, come back in 30 minutes and check the weight. Thats a full pot. I mean your brain should understand some sort of spacial reasoning, where you can lift the pot and know whether its heavy or not. I mean I really don't know what to tell you, this is my first time growing and that method worked perfectly for me the very first time I applied it.
. Worst case scenerio, grab another bucket, fill it with dirt, water it, come back in 30 minutes and check the weight. Thats a full pot. I mean your brain should understand some sort of spacial reasoning, where you can lift the pot and know whether its heavy or not. I mean I really don't know what to tell you, this is my first time growing and that method worked perfectly for me the very first time I applied it.
scroglodyte
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i've been gardening so long......i forget how i know, when to water. gardening is an art, not a science.
cannabineer
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After reading the OP's experience with an apparently cheap, unreliable soil meter, my impression is this:
the OP was anxious about how and how much to water ... and sought a guarantee through technology. that is very understandable as far as it goes, but those of us with moderate or more experience have learned an intuitive way to water that has much to do with simply doing and observing. It's also something that is not easy to teach through the computer screen.
OP used the meter, and began getting good results. MY take is that the meter was more or less a placebo to calm him down and get him amassing the foundation of experience, which is norw started and building.
There is afaik no substitute for the inexpressible results of having done and observed. The meter most probably provided a sense of having a comfort zone, a mechanical "second opinion", that removed the fear barrier to trying, doing, learning ... building confidence.
One arctic denizen's opinion ... cn
the OP was anxious about how and how much to water ... and sought a guarantee through technology. that is very understandable as far as it goes, but those of us with moderate or more experience have learned an intuitive way to water that has much to do with simply doing and observing. It's also something that is not easy to teach through the computer screen.
OP used the meter, and began getting good results. MY take is that the meter was more or less a placebo to calm him down and get him amassing the foundation of experience, which is norw started and building.
There is afaik no substitute for the inexpressible results of having done and observed. The meter most probably provided a sense of having a comfort zone, a mechanical "second opinion", that removed the fear barrier to trying, doing, learning ... building confidence.
One arctic denizen's opinion ... cn
scroglodyte
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see if you can suck a mouthful of water out of the medium, and squirt it between your teeth
