The Real Effect of Ron Paul in 2012

desert dude

desert dude

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He won't get the Republican nomination, but he muddied the waters for both parties with all of his talk of freedom and adhering to constitutional principles. How radical of him! It is clear that his message resonates with a large portion of Americans, the independent voters. RP will carry a substantial number of delegates with him the R convention, which assures him of a major speech there and also assures some compromise from the eventual nominee, probably Romney. The next president can't win the election without embracing some of those libertarian principles and appeasing the independents.

If Obama comes right out and promises that he will withdraw troops from Afghansitan within six months of reelection, AND he promises to remove Cannabis from schedule 1 of the CSA, then he gets my vote. Same for Romney. If both candidates embrace those principles, then I vote Romney. If both candidates continue the status quo, then I vote third party (Gary Johnson).
 
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fdd2blk

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desert dude said:
From your answer, the only other possibility is that you are just another fascist drug warrior. You should vote for Obama.
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you could just keep on posting for me and stay busy all day, with yourself. :hump:


i already voted for Obama. and i'm not sitting here whining. :) :cool:
 
desert dude

desert dude

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fdd2blk said:
you could just keep on posting for me and stay busy all day, with yourself. :hump:


i already voted for Obama. and i'm not sitting here whining. :) :cool:
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Another douchbag drug warrior heard from. If the drug war ends, how will you make a living?
 
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fdd2blk

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learn to utilize that which is in front of you and it won't matter who is running the show.

unless you're just a puppet, controlled by those above him.


my wisdom for the day. bongsmilie
 
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fdd2blk

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desert dude said:
Appropriate.
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get out there and earn me a living. :)

you AND ron paul both. ;)

i'm 45 years old. you honestly think i don't know how to support myself? is this your argument? this is the best you got? l o l

no wonder ron paul is a failure. 'the company you keep.'
 
desert dude

desert dude

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fdd2blk said:
get out there and earn me a living. :)

you AND ron paul both. ;)

i'm 45 years old. you honestly think i don't know how to support myself? is this your argument? this is the best you got? l o l

no wonder ron paul is a failure. 'the company you keep.'
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I just don't get why somebody on this website would vote for a drug warrior, which Obama clearly is. Romney clearly is a drug warrior as well. The only logical explanation is that you prefer to continue the drug war unabated. Maybe you are a moralist who believes that "drugs are bad, mkay", or you profit from the drug war, or you think "medical marijauana" is good enough.

As far as Ron Paul being a failure, you obviously have not been paying attention. RP is an "outsider" in terms of political thought, but he is a force to be reckoned with in this election cycle.
 
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fdd2blk

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wow, you make it all so simple. :)

ron paul is spam. he's in the way and mucking things up. he's like an inbox full of ads when you're looking for a confirmation order email. SPAM.

it's nice to know that my opinion causes you to HATE me. :cool:
 
desert dude

desert dude

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fdd2blk said:
wow, you make it all so simple. :)

ron paul is spam. he's in the way and mucking things up. he's like an inbox full of ads when you're looking for a confirmation order email. SPAM.

it's nice to know that my opinion causes you to HATE me. :cool:
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RP is "in the way and mucking things up" with respect to governance as usual, that's for sure. So, apparently you prefer governance as usual: endless wars on various things and various people, the federal government sticking its nose where it has no place, etc.

I don't hate you, you are just like all the other Zombies out there. You are invested in the statu quo and you want things to continue on the same path. The problem is the current path is antithetical to freedom and to the constitution and is unsustainable.

You want Ron Paul to be "spam", but his ideas are very attractive to a substantial number of people. That gives him power in the upcoming election. That popularity will force the mainstream candidates to adjust their own campaigns. Frankly, the mainstream candidates (Obama/Romney) will most likely just lie to appease the independent voters just like Obama lied when he promised to deescalate the war on medical cannabis. If Romney does not adopt some of Paul's positions I believe he will lose to Obama (likewise Obama). Neither candidate can win without the vote of independents.
 
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fdd2blk

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i just had the best 3 years of my life. so yes, i wish to continue along this path.

sorry to hear you have it so bad. maybe someday things will turn around for you. i wish you all my best. :hug:
 
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fishwhistle

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fdd2blk said:
wow, you make it all so simple. :)

ron paul is spam. he's in the way and mucking things up. he's like an inbox full of ads when you're looking for a confirmation order email. SPAM.

it's nice to know that my opinion causes you to HATE me. :cool:
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I dont hate you Fdd!No matter what anyone thinks of paul they are gonna have to deal with him because right now anyways hes controlling the block of votes that are needed by both candidates for the win,call it muddying the waters if you will but its a fact.Obama has already lied to us over and over and romney will say anything he has to to win the election.Even if i dont like everything paul is saying(and i dont)I think he is speaking truthfully about what he does beleive,so do you want a confirmed liar or an ultra conservative religous dude who does not even beleive you should even drink coffee or soda or some honest old man with an impeccable work ethic who beleives in the constitution and the right of every american to make up his or her own mind as to how to live their own life?Time for some REAL change cause what weve been doin aint working,i do not beleive either party has our best interests in mind but instead beleive we are too dumb to make up our own minds,we vote something in and they just do what they want anyways,what happened to the majority rules?
 
desert dude

desert dude

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fdd2blk said:
i just had the best 3 years of my life. so yes, i wish to continue along this path.

sorry to hear you have it so bad. maybe someday things will turn around for you. i wish you all my best. :hug:
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I hope you manage to stay out of jail so the next 5 to 15 are enjoyable as well.
 
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fdd2blk

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fishwhistle said:
I dont hate you Fdd!No matter what anyone thinks of paul they are gonna have to deal with him because right now anyways hes controlling the block of votes that are needed by both candidates for the win,call it muddying the waters if you will but its a fact.Obama has already lied to us over and over and romney will say anything he has to to win the election.Even if i dont like everything paul is saying(and i dont)I think he is speaking truthfully about what he does beleive,so do you want a confirmed liar or an ultra conservative religous dude who does not even beleive you should even drink coffee or soda or some honest old man with an impeccable work ethic who beleives in the constitution and the right of every american to make up his or her own mind as to how to live their own life?Time for some REAL change cause what weve been doin aint working,i do not beleive either party has our best interests in mind but instead beleive we are too dumb to make up our own minds,we vote something in and they just do what they want anyways,what happened to the majority rules?
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you know the president isn't really "in control", don't you?
 
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