Zero intrest in Greenhouse Seeds

Tamorin

Active Member
I got to admit I like the dude, he's real good at what he does. But the marketing strategy is something I don't agree with. The guys made a ton of money and he only sells fem seeds. I only buy regular seeds mainly cause i don't like fucked with genetics. The worlds a fucked up place everythings a secret, everyone wants to get over on everyone. Lame. There's a very small ammount of people.like me who likes helping his fellow man. In reality I've tried to teach people.how to grow a dozen times or so and only once has anyone done what I said. If the dude sold regular seeds I would fuck with em but this fem seed crap is for the birds, when i go to Amsterdam I won't visit his shops or buy anything from him till it changes. I'm not rich or poor but I'm good at what I do and am willing to share that with who ever. If and when I'm a millionaire Damn straight I wont be hoarding no mother fucking seeds.
 

kushkilla

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I like that. dont get me wrong fem seeds are the shit if they are done the right way, which is a painstaken and precise task. Only a few select breeders do it the right way, helping eliminate the hermies. But if he makes only fem seeds, wont that isolate the genetics, and hinder any further refinement and improvements on the strain? wonder what he does with his regular seeds>
 

massah

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Arjan is a businessman...he's running his business...successful business people don't just give away their trade secrets ;)
 

massah

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I like that. dont get me wrong fem seeds are the shit if they are done the right way, which is a painstaken and precise task. Only a few select breeders do it the right way, helping eliminate the hermies. But if he makes only fem seeds, wont that isolate the genetics, and hinder any further refinement and improvements on the strain? wonder what he does with his regular seeds>
He uses his regular seeds for years of genetic testing and backcrossing to stabilize strains THEN they do feminized production from those stable genetics...
 

Ku$hking3883

Active Member
I got to admit I like the dude, he's real good at what he does. But the marketing strategy is something I don't agree with. The guys made a ton of money and he only sells fem seeds. I only buy regular seeds mainly cause i don't like fucked with genetics. The worlds a fucked up place everythings a secret, everyone wants to get over on everyone. Lame. There's a very small ammount of people.like me who likes helping his fellow man. In reality I've tried to teach people.how to grow a dozen times or so and only once has anyone done what I said. If the dude sold regular seeds I would fuck with em but this fem seed crap is for the birds, when i go to Amsterdam I won't visit his shops or buy anything from him till it changes. I'm not rich or poor but I'm good at what I do and am willing to share that with who ever. If and when I'm a millionaire Damn straight I wont be hoarding no mother fucking seeds.
Amen bro,Its bullshit seems like not only greenhouse but everyone selling gear jacks the price up on there genetics like its gold. I live In a med friendly state that is flooded with cali cuts but not much seed. we have a few genetics company's one witch just recently joined Attitudes long list of breeders and the other two are more local right now.fucking kills me to read threads about people dealing with spending there hard earned cash and a lot of it to get a package in the mail only to open it and find damaged shit.If I have seed left over I give that shit away to people that can't get gear online and just grow bag seed.
cutthroats Cover the earth not your ass!

ps: not to sound like a Hippocrate* I have and will use seed banks/breeders to get what I want/need supply and demand is a bitch
 

C.Indica

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You know, it is possible to get stable Males frlom Fem seeds.
Just get your conditions right.


& there;s always Colloidal Silver reversing,
and if you really likethe damn strain so much, clone it out and never let it outof your hands.
 

albsure

Active Member
The GHSC fit a niche in the marketplace and that is why it does so well. If you aren't looking to breed or don't need to make your own seeds, I personally don't need to do either because with a ten pack of feminine seeds I can easily grow all the dope I'll need in a year. If you don't want to mess with growing some males only to ditch them, you like to clone and you like to choose from a lot of great strains, then GHSC can be a great choice for you.
I think the whole, " I hate feminized seeds," thing kind of sounds like the puritanical Christian type of talk. You know the," There's only one right way to do things, It's not natural, etc, etc." Then after preaching that the guy gets all puffed up and cops the holier than thou attitude.
There are a lot of great strains in their catalog so I think you are cutting off your nose to spite your face by not using them. I love having the variety of strains to choose from with so many different breeders and I'm not going to limit my choice because of the, " It's not natural," argument. When I'm high on their dope it feels pretty natural to me. To each his own but I wouldn't disregard GHSC because of these arguments.
 

bundee1

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My beef is twofold. If he is the creator of some of these strains then he should be selling the best examples of his strains and not black ash bullshit I hot served twice there. Second the whole spreading his strains with no regard for wiping out the local varieties. Imagine all the dogs in the world replaces by puggles.
 

sami.shah

Member
Hi there,

I am planning on buying feminized seeds. I was thinkig white widow, blueberry, and purple haze. what seed bank to go with???!
Thanks!
 

Tamorin

Active Member
I only use attitude order a few times now and don't use the discreet method had zero issues. I personally don't breed , but clone what I like. I use subcools gear and have had amazing results , with testing done. I'm uncomfortable with buying fem seeds because It don't make me believe I got the best seed a plant can offer when u stress it out. For example u wouldn't do a perfect job while being super stressed as u would if u were super happy having the best day. Then I supposed to clone this seed from a fucked with plant. Doesn't sound right , you can do what u all want but ill be keeping my dough in country for people who aren't acting like all these greedy buissness people we all deal with every day in our lifes. I also live im a legal state.
 

RawBudzski

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Which is the best seed brands out there. I only wish they allowed you to Pick-N-Mix doggies nutts seeds.. ^_^ fk paying 500 bucks.
 

420Dust

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I'm thinking thousands of years ago there were a few pure indica strains and a few pure sativa strains. Then as people started migrating and building boats and sailing all over the world hybreds are what we have. Fem seeds or regular seeds it's all good............
 

albsure

Active Member
A lot of nonsense posted here. By creating feminine seeds you are not wiping out any indigenous strains. Hell the indigenous strains are still there growing as they always have. Have you ever watched a strain hunter video by GHSC? They go all over the world searching out interesting indigenous strains. The crew at GHSC appear to have great respect for the growers and the strains. They take some seeds back and start working with them. It's not like they go there, get some seeds and then burn down all remaining plants. They love those strains and the people that grow them. Saying they are wiping out indigenous strains is idiotic.
Also creating feminine seeds is not creating some super stressed strain. Have you ever grown any of their strains? Hell the plants I've grown were far from stressed; as a matter of fact they were some of the healthiest plants I've ever grown and they clone beautifully.
So Arjan is really good as a businessman. So what? Hell there are a whole bunch of breeders out there so he is competing in a very competitive field and is good at it. Good for him. His prices are fair and competitive too. None of these reasons are good ones not to use their products. If you get some bad seeds from them and they don't stand behind their product then you might have a reason not to buy from them. But a lot of reasons put out there are really nonsensical.
 

JCashman

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A lot of nonsense posted here. By creating feminine seeds you are not wiping out any indigenous strains. Hell the indigenous strains are still there growing as they always have. Have you ever watched a strain hunter video by GHSC? They go all over the world searching out interesting indigenous strains. The crew at GHSC appear to have great respect for the growers and the strains. They take some seeds back and start working with them. It's not like they go there, get some seeds and then burn down all remaining plants. They love those strains and the people that grow them. Saying they are wiping out indigenous strains is idiotic.
Also creating feminine seeds is not creating some super stressed strain. Have you ever grown any of their strains? Hell the plants I've grown were far from stressed; as a matter of fact they were some of the healthiest plants I've ever grown and they clone beautifully.
So Arjan is really good as a businessman. So what? Hell there are a whole bunch of breeders out there so he is competing in a very competitive field and is good at it. Good for him. His prices are fair and competitive too. None of these reasons are good ones not to use their products. If you get some bad seeds from them and they don't stand behind their product then you might have a reason not to buy from them. But a lot of reasons put out there are really nonsensical.
Have YOU have watched a SH video? they are giving their feminized hermie prone genetics to local tribes to grow which WILL (and does) water down the natural landrace varieties. and that is indisputable fact.

all the cups that GHSC won during the 90s was thanks to Shanti, the GHSC breeder at the time. i could be wrong but i believe Neville was working with them during this time too. after Shanti and Arjan split up, Shanti and Neville started breeding for their new company, Mr Nice Seeds. Arjan is not a breeder, period. hes a marketing propagandist that spreads blatant bullshit inth the cannacommunity. if you doubt that at all, go watch 5 different videos of Arjan (no not those lame strain hunter vids, go look up interviews where he talks about "his" plants) and i assure you that you will catch him lying to you.

People also hate on Arjan because he claims to have created strains that were actually created by Shanti, ie: the original White Widow (now called Black Widow due to all the fakers and scammers selling knockoff versions of White Widow).

as far as bribery and conspiracies surrounding the cannabis cup, heres a fun fact for you. Arjan was actually caught bribing judges and not allowed to participate that year. so again, your post shows you have never bothered to gather any info on these garbage theories of yours.

so to sum up "why all the hate" it's because hes a scamming, lying, bribing, piece of shit that takes credit for other peoples hard work. if you had bothered to research the topic at all, you'd already know this.

do just a lil bit of research before you start defending the shadiest company in the business. but hey no worries, you can go get yourself a Arjan bobblehead if you still want to support them, because one thing Arjan does do well is pump out merchandise like bobbleheads and ashtrays. the guy should just start a wal-mart and leave the cannabusiness to actual breeders that know what they are doing.

<3
 

C.Indica

Well-Known Member
The GHSC fit a niche in the marketplace and that is why it does so well. If you aren't looking to breed or don't need to make your own seeds, I personally don't need to do either because with a ten pack of feminine seeds I can easily grow all the dope I'll need in a year. If you don't want to mess with growing some males only to ditch them, you like to clone and you like to choose from a lot of great strains, then GHSC can be a great choice for you.
I think the whole, " I hate feminized seeds," thing kind of sounds like the puritanical Christian type of talk. You know the," There's only one right way to do things, It's not natural, etc, etc." Then after preaching that the guy gets all puffed up and cops the holier than thou attitude.
There are a lot of great strains in their catalog so I think you are cutting off your nose to spite your face by not using them. I love having the variety of strains to choose from with so many different breeders and I'm not going to limit my choice because of the, " It's not natural," argument. When I'm high on their dope it feels pretty natural to me. To each his own but I wouldn't disregard GHSC because of these arguments.

That's not the only reason people don't like feminzed seeds..
Personally I don't believe in what they're doing to the Cannabis Gene Pool.
Long term bro.

I'd rather get regular seeds, even IF I don't breed, just because of this.
 

albsure

Active Member
Have YOU have watched a SH video? they are giving their feminized hermie prone genetics to local tribes to grow which WILL (and does) water down the natural landrace varieties. and that is indisputable fact.

all the cups that GHSC won during the 90s was thanks to Shanti, the GHSC breeder at the time. i could be wrong but i believe Neville was working with them during this time too. after Shanti and Arjan split up, Shanti and Neville started breeding for their new company, Mr Nice Seeds. Arjan is not a breeder, period. hes a marketing propagandist that spreads blatant bullshit inth the cannacommunity. if you doubt that at all, go watch 5 different videos of Arjan (no not those lame strain hunter vids, go look up interviews where he talks about "his" plants) and i assure you that you will catch him lying to you.

People also hate on Arjan because he claims to have created strains that were actually created by Shanti, ie: the original White Widow (now called Black Widow due to all the fakers and scammers selling knockoff versions of White Widow).

as far as bribery and conspiracies surrounding the cannabis cup, heres a fun fact for you. Arjan was actually caught bribing judges and not allowed to participate that year. so again, your post shows you have never bothered to gather any info on these garbage theories of yours.

so to sum up "why all the hate" it's because hes a scamming, lying, bribing, piece of shit that takes credit for other peoples hard work. if you had bothered to research the topic at all, you'd already know this.

do just a lil bit of research before you start defending the shadiest company in the business. but hey no worries, you can go get yourself a Arjan bobblehead if you still want to support them, because one thing Arjan does do well is pump out merchandise like bobbleheads and ashtrays. the guy should just start a wal-mart and leave the cannabusiness to actual breeders that know what they are doing.

<3
So what if he gives them some seeds. It's not as if they are going to stop growing the thousands of acres of the indigenous strains. Maybe he thought they could grow some of his and help them with their yields so then can make a few more bucks. Ever thought of that? Probably not. So your FACT is in dispute.
As far as the childish arguments over who bred what when; really? Who cares about any of that BS now. If two guys were in business together then both people own the product. That's business. Also were you there and do you know who said and did what about a particular strain? Do you know if Arjan made any suggestions about breeding some of those strains? Knowing him as well as you appear to then you know he is a pretty opinionated guy with a strong personality. Right? So don't you think he probably had quite a bit of input about what was going on in his own company?
If you want to get into a he said, he said debate then you get nowhere because if you weren't there yourself then you don't know and no else knows but the parties that were there. If you are going with one guys' side of the story then you are a fool because you're basing your judgment on half the story. That would be like going to a trial and the judge lets only the defense side of the story be heard and then bases his judgment on that alone. If he did that you'd say he used used poor judgement wouldn't you? Of course you would.
So Arjan was caught trying to give somebody a few bucks to check out his products and remember them come judging time. I'm sure he's the first guy and only guy ever to do that. Right? In the pot business no less. Are you fucking kidding me? If you think he is the only guy in the pot business who has tried and succeeded in giving others a little (incentive) to put out a good word for their products, you're extremely naive. And what was that 15 years ago? Get over it. GHSC has put out a lot of great product since then and have been recognized for it.
So since I had done my research well before I happened upon your dearth of knowledge I was well aware of what I was talking about. I just happened to use good judgement to come to my conclusions, whereas you used here-say, poor judgment, immaturity, rumor and naivete. Just because Arjan doesn't get into an open online back and forth argument over who did what and who said what way back when, with an old business partner, is obviously because he figured he had better things to do running his successful business. It's not that he doesn't have his side of the story he simply chose to move on and leave the past in the past. Since GHSC is the most successful seed co. in the world I don't think there is any need for them to start a walmart. He clearly knows what he is doing in his extremely successful mj seed business.
As far as naming GHSC the shadiest company in the business that's based on what? Some of your old, faded, worn out stories? You know about all the business practices of all the other seed companies and you know exactly how they behave? You need to get out there and start some businesses like I have. You'd know then that you'll have to make a lot of deals, give people special " discounts and breaks", do a lot of wheeling and dealing, do a lot of wining and dining and special favors to just keep your business afloat. Has Arjan done some things that are probably not completely above board? Sure but I guarantee you so has a whole lot of other people you just don't know about it. Life is not as black and white and as simple as you want it to be. Well guess what, that's life. If you had to keep people employed so they could feed their families and keep your business above water, you would have known these things. Next time you get all high and mighty and want to bring a guy down, use you fuckin' head and think a little bit first.
 

albsure

Active Member
That's not the only reason people don't like feminzed seeds..
Personally I don't believe in what they're doing to the Cannabis Gene Pool.
Long term bro.

I'd rather get regular seeds, even IF I don't breed, just because of this.
And they are doing what exactly to the cannabis gene pool? Aren't there still thousands upon thousands of regular cannabis seeds out there? So then you must also be against every hybrid seed out there too right? Since we are being all puritanical about this. You surely can't approve of all the crossing ,back crossing, inbred butt fucked strains out there. Some of the guys doing that also want to be all pure and ONLY grow organically. Good Lord there is so much hypocrisy in the pot world.
Look the gene pool isn't all fucked up and if you want to use regular seeds that's fine. Just don't lay claim that they are so pure. There are so many highly praised mutt seeds out there and that's fine. Just because that mutt seed is a regular seed doesn't make it better or worse than a feminized seed. But if you want to think that your northern India indica/South American sativa/ back crossed Thai sativa/butt fucked inbred regular seed is keeping the gene pool pure, go right ahead.
 
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