The Post Office...

[WillyBagseed]

For free? Or does the Post office get paid by UPS/FEDEX to do it?

As far as I know from a postman friend of mine they do get the postal rate, whilst UPS / FEDEX are still charging more to the customer for the private industry rate. In other words yes but they get it much cheaper than if they had to deliver it themselves.

Due to the different compete clauses etc... the USPS is more / less "subsidizing" deliveries for FEDEX/UPS in some areas.

Crazy? not if you are UPS / FEDEX...........

 

[Rob Roy]

For free? Or does the Post office get paid by UPS/FEDEX to do it?

As far as I know from a postman friend of mine they do get the postal rate, whilst UPS / FEDEX are still charging more to the customer for the private industry rate. In other words yes but they get it much cheaper than if they had to deliver it themselves.

Due to the different compete clauses etc... the USPS is more / less "subsidizing" deliveries for FEDEX/UPS in some areas.

Crazy? not if you are UPS / FEDEX...........

...and who subsidizes the USPS?

 

[WillyBagseed]

Indirectly we the taxpayer subsidize some deliveries for UPS and FEDEX via this setup.

 

[Rob Roy]

Indirectly we the taxpayer subsidize some deliveries for UPS and FEDEX via this setup.

Another good reason to privatize ALL of it. No subsidy, people pay for what they want and what they use.

 

[alphawolf.hack]

Having a Postal service is mandated by the Constitution. Nothing in the Constitution says it has to turn a profit or even break even.

so your cool with the fact that our government is money sucking pit that doesnt turn. a profit sounds like your ok with things the way they are.

 

[londonfog]

We need the Post Office... Imagine the cost to have your seeds delivered by Fed Ex

 

[UncleBuck]

We need the Post Office... Imagine the cost to have your seeds delivered by Fed Ex

what is lost in this debate is that the USPS sets up in every one horse town, every shitshatapoopton, nebraska, and every hitching post, whereas fedex and ups do not.

i'm sure if we simply made every rural resident drive 100 miles each way to the nearest fedex/kinkos, you'd hear a lot more support for the USPS and their ability to move a letter across the country for less than the cost of two quarters, something ups and fedex can't boast even with their selective servicing of the population.

 

[WillyBagseed]

USPS would bury UPS and FEDEX if they were allowed to compete with them directly.

They could charge much more for rural deliveries of UPS/FEDEX items than they do now, and UPS/FEDEX will not deliver everywhere... costs to much for private industry...lol
More corporate welfare is more or less what UPS/FEDEX get.


By the way, just in case you did not know. The Constitution does not state USPS needs to make any profit at all. If you think every last thing is dependent on $$ profits you have been reading the wrong Constitution. I see defense, general welfare and a bunch of other stuff...... nowhere do I see "must make a profit" mentioned.

 

[sync0s]

We need the Post Office... Imagine the cost to have your seeds delivered by Fed Ex

The libertarian argument is there shouldn't be a government post office. The constitutional argument is we need a government post office. I'm torn.

As libertarian as I am, I adhere to the Constitution more than my libertarian beliefs, I'm on the pro-USPS side of the argument.

 

[squarepush3r]

USPS just raised their international flat rate envelope cost from 13.95 to 16.95!! Thats almost 22% increase!

 

[WillyBagseed]

For those of you who pay for healthcare.

Imagine if you had to pay for 75 years of healthcare but had only 10 years to pay it............. could you afford it?

"The Republican plan to bankrupt the Post Office and its half a million unionized employees is working. Facing a fiscal crisis created solely by poison-pill legislation passed 5 years ago by a Republican Congress and signed by President Bush that required the Post Office – unlike any other company or government agency – to prefund 75 years worth of employee health benefits in a 10 year period – the Post Office is now moving forward with massive cuts in service.

Next-day mail delivery is the first to get the axe – but even more drastic cuts are coming down the pike, including closing nearly 4,000 local mail facilities and laying off as many as 100,000 postal workers. Meanwhile – Congress is doing nothing to repeal the poison pill legislation that’s threatening to kill off an institution was founded by Ben Franklin.

Call your lawmakers and tell them to help the post office and resist Republican efforts to completely privatize mail delivery in America." - Thom Hartmann

(yes, I know many of you hate the guy but he speaks the truth here)

 

[NLXSK1]

The post office is handling less and less mail.

There will have to be cuts to keep it viable.

 

[WillyBagseed]

Cuts are not the point, they are deliberately trying to bankrupt it and make 100% privatized, contrary to what the Constitution says about a post office.

 

[Blaze Master]

the post office is a socialist entity and in america socialism is considered evil

 

[londonfog]

the post office is a socialist entity and in america socialism is considered evil

so are libraries ..they need to be stopped, because the mind is a terrible thing and needs not to be enriched.

 

[sync0s]

so are libraries ..they need to be stopped, because the mind is a terrible thing and needs not to be enriched.

Do libraries still exist (serious)?

 

[NLXSK1]

Do libraries still exist (serious)?

Would you like me to instruct you on how to google for public libraries in your area?

 

[canndo]

so your cool with the fact that our government is money sucking pit that doesnt turn. a profit sounds like your ok with things the way they are.

Nothing in the Constitution mandates that the Government make money or even break even. Government is not, nor should it ever be, a business.

 

[sync0s]

Would you like me to instruct you on how to google for public libraries in your area?

No thanks. I've got amazon/google for reading, I don't need a library.

 

[canndo]

The Constitution mandated a postal service for a reason - it knitted the country together and it was equal, any person could send any leter anywhere in the country for the same price no matter how far the letter had to go. Now, try getting a letter from your house to hawaii for under a buck any other way but the post office. The point is that you shouldn't have to be rich er than someone else in order to get a letter mailed. The U.S. subsidizes the postal service for this very reason, and it was never meant for the postal service to maike a profit.