WOS - Chronic Haze and SS - Power Africa ( Ebb & Flow )

[Mrgivemethatblunt]

Using Ionic nutes now. Hopefully I have better luck. Going to start the table again tomorrow.

Put together a seed list:

3 - WoS Legends - Afghan Kush Special
3 - Seedsman - Power Africa
3 - WoS Legends - Chronic Haze
5 - Barneys - Violator Kush
6 - DNA - Cataract Kush
1 - Dinafem - OG Kush
1 - WoS Med - Northern Lights x Big Bud
1 - T H Seeds - MK Ultra
1 - Delicious Seeds - Fruity Chronic Juice
1 - Eva Seeds - Veneno(Poison)
1 - G13 Labs - Blueberry Gum
1 - Emerald Triangle - Bubba 76
1 - Kannabia Seeds - Auto Hobbit
1 - Dinafem - Cheese

Man thats a nice list wish I could have got that many I got the same 7 not cheese an hobbit instead I got auto critical+ and moby dick free and yeah that veneno looks really good I also got Hammerhead(medicinexwhite rhino),G13 Pineapple Exp. And Qrazy train 3 reg hoping for a male to work with but cant wait ill have around 21 strains. Lookin forward too ur next updates I know its slow in the beginning but you will make it uve got the drive keep ur head up

 

[firsttimeARE]

Thanks man.

I'm going to put another order in for either reserva privadas sour kush aka headband(not real clone only, but i've wanted to try it) or their kosher kush and get that free unreleased sleetack OG. Nice christmas present, lil late cause I wanted to wait for the deal. Can't beat 14 free fem seeds plus the UFO's on 2 orders. Hopefully they honor it. They said: "The Attitude Seedbank "Lucky 7 Promotion" is valid on a "one per customer" basis, multiple orders may be honored, however if it seen to be abused it will not be accepted. These rules are always stated for every monthly promotion stated on the Attitude Seedbank."

I only bought the cataract kush though this last time around.

 

[Someguy15]

Yeah canna is a bit pricey for me right now. They also don't stock that at my local hydro, they stock house & garden which is similar though. I was originally going to get that but the guy there talked me into the ionic cause he knows im new and doesn't want me to spend a lot of money to learn.

Have you used the PK boost from Ionic when you were using it for flowering? The guy recommended it to me, he also told me to use veg nutes up until about 3 weeks into flower. Dunno how true that is. Dude definitely knows his stuff. Was showing me pictures of his undercurrent system, says he pulls like 8-10oz per plant with only a 2.5 week veg time. Nuts. Saw pictures and it looked nuts. If I ever stop being newb i'd be interested to run that setup for mums. Like a 6 site setup

What did you find that the ionic lacked during flowering that canna brings?

Thanks for the feeding guide. The guy there told me to use 200ppm at this stage and up it slowly each week until I get a feel for what my plants need. He seemed to not want to give me a blanket statement.

It is a little expensive yes. I started growing using Ionic bloom and the boost. I'd say you should switch to bloom as soon as the stretch is over, but that's just me. I also did a round where I blended them (grow and bloom) to transition, no real difference noted. Def use the PK boost with ionic, it helps a lot. Only difference I feel with canna is more control. Also the canna has humics, fulvics, ect built right into the base nute. Basically they just have a more complete line, but that's not to say Ionic doesn't produce great results. IMO Ionic is the best budget nute on the market, hell I might even go back to it lol all these additives are somewhat annoying and it's hard to prove results beyond what my mind interprets as results. Oh I also used H&G in the past, but they raised all their prices across the board (about evenly priced with canna now) so I decided to switch. Not a fan of companies jerking prices around for no reason other than 'they can'. Unfortunately Hortilux pulls this shit too (pulled all distrubtion to anyone selling below their set cost) but I still use them. I have considered trying the Ushios as I've heard they are very comparable in quality for this reason.

 

[firsttimeARE]

It is a little expensive yes. I started growing using Ionic bloom and the boost. I'd say you should switch to bloom as soon as the stretch is over, but that's just me. I also did a round where I blended them (grow and bloom) to transition, no real difference noted. Def use the PK boost with ionic, it helps a lot. Only difference I feel with canna is more control. Also the canna has humics, fulvics, ect built right into the base nute. Basically they just have a more complete line, but that's not to say Ionic doesn't produce great results. IMO Ionic is the best budget nute on the market, hell I might even go back to it lol all these additives are somewhat annoying and it's hard to prove results beyond what my mind interprets as results. Oh I also used H&G in the past, but they raised all their prices across the board (about evenly priced with canna now) so I decided to switch. Not a fan of companies jerking prices around for no reason other than 'they can'. Unfortunately Hortilux pulls this shit too (pulled all distrubtion to anyone selling below their set cost) but I still use them. I have considered trying the Ushios as I've heard they are very comparable in quality for this reason.

Yeah I got the boost, I heard thats a one week thing on week 5, when do you apply yours and at what rate with the bloom? Its cool that its only a one part nute, nice and easy.

I did notice the H&G line was pricey and comparable to what I could get canna online for, but its store vs online, usually online is cheaper.

I like my ushio. I heard a lot of good things about them as I did for hortilux also, but I heard more bad about hortilux than ushio. Ushios were cheaper so I got them.

 

[Someguy15]

Yeah I got the boost, I heard thats a one week thing on week 5, when do you apply yours and at what rate with the bloom? Its cool that its only a one part nute, nice and easy.

I did notice the H&G line was pricey and comparable to what I could get canna online for, but its store vs online, usually online is cheaper.

I like my ushio. I heard a lot of good things about them as I did for hortilux also, but I heard more bad about hortilux than ushio. Ushios were cheaper so I got them.

It was a long time ago but I used the boost basically following what the bottle stated. I did move it up a touch (time wise) as I felt it was boosting a bit late. Your basically trying to use it when the plants are putting on the most mass, depleting the PK. Week 7 is kinda late imo, most indicas won't put on big weight past 7 weeks.

Edit: I guess the bottle states use it start of flowering and double the dose last 3 weeks. I would rec you start when first signs of bud mass are forming (usually start of week 3 of 12/12 would be about right) and then maybe hit the double dose strength weeks 5-6 but you kinda gotta read them and decide if they need the PK if not, it causes more harm then good. I would be ceasing most boosting by week 7 but that's just my opinion.

 

[firsttimeARE]

New project, and hopefully final, a DWC for moms


Plant #1(3.5 inches)

Plant #2(3.5 inches)

Plant #3(3.5 inches)

Plant #4(4.5 inches)

#4 looks sad and droopy and the rest look burnt or deficient, i started using just ionic veg nutes @ 260ppm about a week ago since the lucas formula left me using just micro and bloom. It's been in the DWC the longest and its either getting too much water or not enough, dunno how to tell the two apart. It was the tallest for a while now. All and all growth is stunted, they've been more or less same height for past 2 weeks. Goofed something up along the way.

I'm noticing the DWC PH is shifting from 5.7/5.8 to 6.4 in a day. I filled the buckets up with nutes and phed it to 5.8, and then poured the washed growstones into the net pots, let that run for 24 hrs with the water going through the growstones and the next day its 6.8. I PH it down to 5.8 and then put the plants into the netpots. The next day (yesterday) and the pots say 6.4. Ph downed, i'll report back with what they are today.

I cannot find anything about buffering the growstones. Everything I read has no mention of it. I rinse them and then soak them in ph 5.8 water, don't know if I need to do this step so I went with just 5.8.

I also read conflicting advice on how close to put the RW cubes. I was looking at voidobjects how to DWC sticky and in the video you can see the water bubbling underneath the hydroton just before he places the cubes onto them. During my research into growstones I read they wick water a lot better than hydroton, maybe that's too close for growstones? Cause the cubes feel real wet, I took #4 out to weigh it and its sitting at 30g, a tad more than damp. But 2 plants died out of this batch cause I put them too high above the waterline and they dried up and died. Can't seem to get it right, either too much and they got rootrot and die or too little and they dry out and die.

#2 looks like a zinc def caused by excessive P? which would make sense since I was giving them 2x of 0-5-4 than what I was giving them for 5-0-1. I got 9 other bag seeds germing right now to test on, maybe giving them just veg nutes right from the start will work out better for em, and getting them out of the dome soon as i see a good deal of roots. Due to holidays I kept them in the dome way too long.


*EDIT* PH was 6.1 yesterday. I lowered to 5.6 to give it room to rise.

 

[firsttimeARE]

These are plant #1 from previous post, about 1/2 inch taller(3.5 total). The damage has been done, its new growth and general growth has red around the margins of the blades on each tip. #4 same deal.



These 2 pictures are from plant #4 from previous post. This one bottom leaves are turning light green and this one also has red tips on the margins of the blades. This one grew about an inch since last pictures(5.5 total). It looks real droopy, parts of the tops of the roots are dried where they stick out the rockwool but as they go to the bottom into the rocks they moist and white, this bad?



Moby dick, MK ultra, bag seed and one of those on the tray is another attitude freebie.




Things im doing differently this time:

Letting the water bubble with the lid off for 24hrs. Then PHing of the water, and then putting the rocks in that I buffered and h2o2 sterilized prior, then I ran it with the rocks and then PHed the water after an hour since I notice a huge PH rise when I first put new rocks in and I want to counteract that as best as possible.

Doing swings now, not starting at 5.8 and keeping it there, going from 5.6-5.8, 6.0 the highest. I'm also starting them in the rocks while only one root is sticking out, it's still white, while all the others had been tanish in color(probably the reason #2 and 3 didn't take root in the buckets).



Things I plan on doing differently:

Starting nutes soft at about 50ppm and working up about maybe 10ppm a day to see how it takes it, I think the pictures above show some burn. Running 300ppm of nutes, total ppm is about 380-390. This too much?



I bought rapid rooters and would like some advice on it from people who use it, but then again I kind of wanna just stick with RW because im switching up too many things and I need to get set with one thing, right now, until I get moms setup thats DWC. But then people who I consider skilled growers say they have had issues with RW and switched to a similar-to-rapid-rooters product with great success.

Well thanks for reading and hopefully advising. Or let me suffer and figure it out on my own like you may have had to.

 

[Someguy15]

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These are plant #1 from previous post, about 1/2 inch taller(3.5 total). The damage has been done, its new growth and general growth has red around the margins of the blades on each tip. #4 same deal.

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These 2 pictures are from plant #4 from previous post. This one bottom leaves are turning light green and this one also has red tips on the margins of the blades. This one grew about an inch since last pictures(5.5 total). It looks real droopy, parts of the tops of the roots are dried where they stick out the rockwool but as they go to the bottom into the rocks they moist and white, this bad?

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Moby dick, MK ultra, bag seed and one of those on the tray is another attitude freebie.




Things im doing differently this time:

Letting the water bubble with the lid off for 24hrs. Then PHing of the water, and then putting the rocks in that I buffered and h2o2 sterilized prior, then I ran it with the rocks and then PHed the water after an hour since I notice a huge PH rise when I first put new rocks in and I want to counteract that as best as possible.

Doing swings now, not starting at 5.8 and keeping it there, going from 5.6-5.8, 6.0 the highest. I'm also starting them in the rocks while only one root is sticking out, it's still white, while all the others had been tanish in color(probably the reason #2 and 3 didn't take root in the buckets).



Things I plan on doing differently:

Starting nutes soft at about 50ppm and working up about maybe 10ppm a day to see how it takes it, I think the pictures above show some burn. Running 300ppm of nutes, total ppm is about 380-390. This too much?



I bought rapid rooters and would like some advice on it from people who use it, but then again I kind of wanna just stick with RW because im switching up too many things and I need to get set with one thing. But then people who I consider skilled growers say they have had issues with RW and switched to a similar-to-rapid-rooters product with great success.

Well thanks for reading and hopefully advising. Or let me suffer and figure it out on my own like you may have had to.

Best way to know how wet the root riots are is by color. Dark brown = wet, light brown = too dry. You kinda have to mess with them a little to see the diff. But take 1 and soak it, compare to color of ones in bag. Then take one and let it dry for 3 days, compare to color of ones in bag. That will give you a pretty good idea. Of course weight works too but the less you handle the better as you'll damage the very fine feeder roots which r important. I should also add the dampness they come in the bag is about perfectly what you want to maintain.

 

[firsttimeARE]

Ok, Do you put them in some kind of tray molded to hold them? And do they really take 3 days to dry out? The RW dries out in like 18hrs if I left the humidome off, 36 hrs on.

Thanks for the information.

 

[hornedfrog2000]

Ok, Do you put them in some kind of tray molded to hold them? And do they really take 3 days to dry out? The RW dries out in like 18hrs if I left the humidome off, 36 hrs on.

Thanks for the information.

My very limited experience with RW made me get the feeling that it could go days without watering (depending on airflow, root size, temps, Relative humidity, etc) . I good test is to let your rw dry until you just start to see your plants drooping. Once they start drooping you know you need to water just before then.

 

[firsttimeARE]

My very limited experience with RW made me get the feeling that it could go days without watering (depending on airflow, root size, temps, Relative humidity, etc) . I good test is to let your rw dry until you just start to see your plants drooping. Once they start drooping you know you need to water just before then.

I weigh them, and they do hold water for days. I try and get the cubes to 25grams properly damp and try and water when they're about 15grams which takes 36-48hours with the dome on. One time I took the plastic sleeves off and the dome off and they dried out in less than a day, thats how all my chronic haze's died(got 3 seeds left). Now my grow isn't in my own home(I rent), so I have no way of checking it 24/7 like some people get to do and figure out the exact moments it droops, basically I need to arrange things in the grow to be needing to be done when I can get in there. This is why I leave the dome on, because the plants would be drooping by the time I could get back in there 24 hrs later. I could get there anytime I wanted, it's just I dont want to be showing up 24/7 and make shit look suspect.

What do you use for your clones horned? I wicked wanna get a cloner because I hate using cubes, i'd rather just stick roots straight to rocks even though to get clones I need moms and to get moms I need to start from seed as I'm not in a medical state and cannot just buy clones, this way I wont have to worry about the RW staying dry and above flood level, which is a problem for me, I cant get a happy medium, I think I found it with these 2 new plants I put in yesterday.

I might change threads and put my DWC grow into the DWC section so I can get advice from people who do DWC, not many people see this in the journals section, and a fraction of those probably do DWC.

I checked on the newbies this morning and moby dicks PH was at 6.3(after PHing to 5.6, 10 hours ago. MK Ultra was at 6.1 -- So I lowered to 5.6 for both.

The other 2 were at 5.7 still. Phed them at 5.6 on thursday night. Tonight they'll probably be 5.8 and I can lower.

 

[hornedfrog2000]

I use an aero cloner, but I haven't had the best success.Hopefully I get better at it.

 

[Someguy15]

I use an aero cloner, but I haven't had the best success.Hopefully I get better at it.

What brand? I just ordered a TurboKlone 24 site so any tips would be great. I know not to add anything nute wise until about day 7 when root nubs r showing. I have chloramine (Cl+Ammonia) in my tap water so I think that should work as a sterilizer to keep the nastys away. Do you still dip your clones in hormone before sticking them in the cloner?

 

[firsttimeARE]

From what I read you use liquid cloners that go into the misting solution as anything you put on it will just get washed off.

 

[Someguy15]

From what I read you use liquid cloners that go into the misting solution as anything you put on it will just get washed off.

True, but using a gel like clonex that has vitamins ect will help seal the clone wound preventing an air bubble (embolism) from getting in. I would imagine a 30 sec soak for each cutting would help 'suck' it up the stem a bit. Idk, I will probably still use it I think. Unless something goes wrong from it.

 

[firsttimeARE]

Yeah I mean you know more than I do, i'm just saying cause I just found out about that like 2 days ago. But you're right that you could get an air bubble, but am I right in assuming this cloning solution in the misters would have the same vitamins to help seal the clone?

You could still use it for the purpose you listed, but you should also have some misting at it.

 

[Someguy15]

Yeah I mean you know more than I do, i'm just saying cause I just found out about that like 2 days ago. But you're right that you could get an air bubble, but am I right in assuming this cloning solution in the misters would have the same vitamins to help seal the clone?

You could still use it for the purpose you listed, but you should also have some misting at it.

Thanks for letting me bounce ideas off ya, know I kinda asked for help and then denied it lol... good to think out loud tho. I have heard if using a solution like clonex it is best to add at the 7 day mark or so when root nubs are already starting to form, have you heard this?

 

[firsttimeARE]

No problem man, you help me a lot.

I never heard of this. I have heard of putting clones in the dark for 6 hours after cutting though. Matches up with what the guy at the hydro store told me last night about lights off and root formation. He was going over DIY cloner ideas that I will try in the near future. To be honest i'm not reading much into cloning right now because I have nothing to clone. Trying not to work ass backwards in the room anymore, lol. Right now my only focus is establishing moms and reading up about what is going wrong with them haha.

Thinking about picking up some farm kits today for the buckets. You ever use them?

 

[Someguy15]

No problem man, you help me a lot.

I never heard of this. I have heard of putting clones in the dark for 6 hours after cutting though. Matches up with what the guy at the hydro store told me last night about lights off and root formation. He was going over DIY cloner ideas that I will try in the near future. To be honest i'm not reading much into cloning right now because I have nothing to clone. Trying not to work ass backwards in the room anymore, lol. Right now my only focus is establishing moms and reading up about what is going wrong with them haha.

Thinking about picking up some farm kits today for the buckets. You ever use them?

Waterfarm kits? Yeah I have a few water farms. They work pretty good but the stability of the nutes in the small rez isn't very good. I have to add water daily to keep them in check. I like tables better, big rez = stable ph/ppm.

 

[firsttimeARE]

Yeah i'm working on getting a water line running into the room to get water in and another for water out. I like filling up the 5 gal buckets in the bathroom and bringing them into the room. I will be running my table again once I get a few moms setup, or atleast one. I need one to survive, haha.