The Problem in America is Big Government

NoDrama

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nope. 14th amendment is pretty clear.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

14th amendment clearly cock blocks the 10th here.
LOL, its not last come first served in the constitution. They are not contradictory amendments, nor is the 10th cock blocked by the 14th. Since marriage is never mentioned as something that is a government function, then the states decide. If the state cannot decide because it would mean deprivation of rights or privileges to others, then it is the people who will decide.

See how easy that was? YOU decide.
 

NoDrama

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:: Patting NoDrama on the head:: Just vote for Ron Paul and live in your little fantasy Libertarian utopia. Meanwhile the rest of are are continuing the fight for unilateral equality.
Yes, make sure your government tells you its ok to love another, go ahead, ask them for their permission, you know you are impotent without their permission.
 

UncleBuck

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LOL, its not last come first served in the constitution. They are not contradictory amendments, nor is the 10th cock blocked by the 14th. Since marriage is never mentioned as something that is a government function, then the states decide. If the state cannot decide because it would mean deprivation of rights or privileges to others, then it is the people who will decide.

See how easy that was? YOU decide.
nope.

the 14th amendment clearly dictates a few things that no state may do. this is a no-brainer.
 

NLXSK1

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LOL, its not last come first served in the constitution. They are not contradictory amendments, nor is the 10th cock blocked by the 14th. Since marriage is never mentioned as something that is a government function, then the states decide. If the state cannot decide because it would mean deprivation of rights or privileges to others, then it is the people who will decide.

See how easy that was? YOU decide.
The united states does not prevent gay marriage. It is not illegal. It just simply does not recognize it.

How is that infringing upon their rights? Marriage is not a right under the constitution.
 

sync0s

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:: Patting NoDrama on the head:: Just vote for Ron Paul and live in your little fantasy Libertarian utopia. Meanwhile the rest of are are continuing the fight for unilateral equality.
I was sitting here thinking you and UB were spot on... then I get slapped in the face.

Bastard...
 

sync0s

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The united states does not prevent gay marriage. It is not illegal. It just simply does not recognize it.

How is that infringing upon their rights? Marriage is not a right under the constitution.
Riding the school bus is a privilege, not a right. Does that mean gay kids can't ride along?
 

UncleBuck

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The united states does not prevent gay marriage. It is not illegal. It just simply does not recognize it.
but they do recognize heterosexual marriages, thus the protection is not equal under the law. have you ever read the constitution?


  • nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.







How is that infringing upon their rights? Marriage is not a right under the constitution.
equal protection under the law is a right under the constitution. i don't understand why anyone would get their panties in a bunch about this.

 

NLXSK1

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That wasn't an argument at all. I was simply applying your logic in another context.
No, my logic is all children should be able to ride the bus and it is none of the governments goddamned business whether they are black, white, Hispanic, gay straight or albino...

Put words in your own damn mouth....
 

sync0s

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No, my logic is all children should be able to ride the bus and it is none of the governments goddamned business whether they are black, white, Hispanic, gay straight or albino...

Put words in your own damn mouth....
What if it's the governments bus?
 

Harrekin

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Ultimately it seems like the Federal Govt shouldn't be involved whatsoever. My interpretation of the whole thing is the States are supposed to handle marriage, this is clear from the 10th Amendment. However, given its the State's job to issue marriage licenses and the States are ultimately governed by the Constitution, then the 14th Amendment would dictate that if you issue marriage licenses at all it has to be to everybody (ie, "equal protection of the law").

That would be my take on it, short version: constitution says if you're gonna issue them, it has to be to everyone equally.
 

UncleBuck

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Ultimately it seems like the Federal Govt shouldn't be involved whatsoever. My interpretation of the whole thing is the States are supposed to handle marriage, this is clear from the 10th Amendment. However, given its the State's job to issue marriage licenses and the States are ultimately governed by the Constitution, then the 14th Amendment would dictate that if you issue marriage licenses at all it has to be to everybody (ie, "equal protection of the law").

That would be my take on it, short version: constitution says if you're gonna issue them, it has to be to everyone equally.
i agree that marriage should be a state issue, and that if a state (or any other local jurisdiction such as county, town, etc, for that matter) does choose to issue marriage licenses, they have to do it to everyone equally.

my only objection is that if it were a state issue, that could hurt those in the armed forces. certain benefits come with being married and they are not going to ever go away, and currently DOMA prohibits equality on a federal level for troops that are now serving as openly gay.

so the message i am getting is that it is OK to serve if you are openly gay, just don't expect us to treat you the same as an openly heterosexual couple.

now that i am not a mod, i will stick it to the paulistas here and mention that ronald supports DOMA, while obama has rendered it impotent. another reason you paulbots would do well to switch to a truly liberal libertarian like GJ.

end point: this is barely if at all a state issue, and almost wholly a federal issue.
 

Canna Sylvan

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For everyone against gay marriage. Are you afraid if they marry, all of a sudden they can gang up on you, forcing their penis into your anus? What can two homosexuals do differently once married? How will your life change? How has your life changed since Massachusetts granted marriage? Are you afraid they will go to heaven and you will be left behind in the rapture? Jesus was gay too. The real reason he let them crucify him, was not to save your sins, but he couldn't live without his lover.
 
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