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londonfog

londonfog

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Stand your ground needs to be re-examined..It should only apply if you are being carjack or are in your home
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Carne Seca said:
"Statistics show that since 'Stand your Ground' was enforced in Florida in 2005, justifiable homicide rates have jumped from an average of 12 justifiable homicides a year in Florida, to 33. Examples of murders with no evidence of provocation that were protected by this law include an incident in 2006 where a man directed 14 gun shots at a vehicle carrying a gang member, and a 2011 case where a man stabbed another in the head of with an ice pick following a traffic altercation."
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How in the name of Godfrey can those be cleared as "justifiable"? I guess I just don't get it. cn
 
johny112

johny112

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NoDrama said:
33? Thats all? More people die from having a heart attack while taking a shit in one DAY!
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Thats completely unrelated. Thats just a health thing this is killing someone and saying oh i was just protecting myself when they werent.
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
more people die from other stuff so it's pointless to look at this.

then we transition into "well, murder laws don't even prevent murder so why have them?"

nodrama logic.
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No, actually I was making fun of Carne for showing this miniscule statistic he did , thinking it showed some kind of significance. 33 people isn't very many, how many soldiers died last year in Combat? How many committed suicide?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
No, actually I was making fun of Carne for showing this miniscule statistic he did , thinking it showed some kind of significance. 33 people isn't very many, how many soldiers died last year in Combat? How many committed suicide?
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exactly, let's deflect to other stuff so we don't have to focus on the people dead due to this bad law.
 
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Blaze Master

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NoDrama said:
No, actually I was making fun of Carne for showing this miniscule statistic he did , thinking it showed some kind of significance. 33 people isn't very many, how many soldiers died last year in Combat? How many committed suicide?
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i'm sure you'd think it was too many if one of those 33 were a member of your family.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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UncleBuck said:
it doesn't change the definition much, but in my opinion it is a nudge in the wrong direction.
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I am of two minds about this. On the one hand I prefer seeing the bounds of "justifiable" homicide being kept fairly strict. After all, that is about human lives being taken. Otoh I see a need to provide a dissenting voice to those who'd blame guns andor gun laws in this instance. There has been a strong media message in this nation for as long as i can remember ... that guns are bad. I lament that.
Carne's stats shock me. I would not have thought that a stand-your-ground law, administered with even minimal decency, would lead to a near-trebling of justifiables. That makes me wonder if the ascription of justifiability is somehow malfunctioning. cn
 
londonfog

londonfog

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NoDrama said:
Yeah cuz getting knifed during a mugging in a park or at the ATM is LOTS OF FUN!! You don't get out much do you?
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For the record I'm CCW legal. I only carry when I'm carrying large cash or change on the way to the bank. I don't carry just to carry. I don't Don myself Captain of the neighborhood watch and follow people around and then kill them..which this law seemingly allows. hmmmm ok I will say that the law needs to be changed to say If you are confronted and have zero means of an exit...Fair enough ??
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
exactly, let's deflect to other stuff so we don't have to focus on the people dead due to this bad law.
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I don't think Trevan died becasue of that law, I think he died because he got shot in the chest.
BTW what difference does it make that he was laying face down? He got shot in the chest, not the back.
 
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NoDrama

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londonfog said:
For the record I'm CCW legal. I only carry when I'm carrying large cash or change on the way to the bank. I don't carry just to carry. I don't Don myself Captain of the neighborhood watch and follow people around and then kill them..which this law seemingly allows. hmmmm ok I will say that the law needs to be changed to say If you are confronted and have zero means of an exit...Fair enough ??
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Oh yeah? What sidearm do you carry?
 
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