trayvan martin

[londonfog]

she has a dark jacket on. it has a zipper for a hoodie, but no hoodie on right now.

i still say off with her head. i mean, she has a screwdriver (burglary tool).

Phuck it... close enough. call 911 first.. then you are free to proceed

 

[UncleBuck]

Typical that you can't actually respond to a post, go back under your bridge Buck, you used to be funny now it's just sad.

you used to be a simple partisan hack, now you are a race baiting idiot. what evidence do you have to back up your assertion that martin assaulted a bus driver? after all, you said it, so it must be true.

 

[beardo]

Oh I totally agree, and noone gets shot over here...I wonder why?

Im not saying Martin is responsible, nor do I condone Zimmermans actions, just trying to piece together a realistic version of what happened, excuse me for digging up some background on the men before speculating, it's more research than most of the opinionated people have done.

I think zimmerman had no business following and shooting him-
It may have been, in that moment it happened "self defense" and I %100 support self defense, but not when you create the situation- he had no business following him or harassing him or trying to confront or detain or question him, so if in doing so he put himself in a situation where he was assaulted, that assault was a result of his own action- this guy may have felt he needed to defend himself from zimmerman- and if he felt that way his instincts were apparently right

 

[UncleBuck]

It's not about WHO did WHAT. It's about how it was handled. I can't choose sides shit Zimmerman was a drunk wifebeater anf trayvon was probably a nigga just like me wit my hoodie when i was 17 so either one of us couldve started it. But i believe if a man kills another man, or a by in this case. He shouldve been taken in for questioning. everything was fuck up bt thats my whole issue. I have been arreted on more then one occassion for just shooting my damn gun with no bond even. they couldn't take him in?

they did take him in and question him, the detective wanted to press forward on manslaughter charges.

they said his story was inconsistent and did not add up. they did not press forward because they felt it would be difficult to convict.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

Who gives a shit? It wasn't stolen. End of story. What the fuck does this have to do with a grown man cop wannabe killing a 17 year old high school student for walking down a street. A kid who died feet away from safety. There should be a trial. All of this other stuff is just bullshit created to cloud the issue.

Lol, it was probably stolen. but who really reports stolen jewlery? and if u think cops really look into that.. eh, well.

 

[londonfog]

Typical that you can't actually respond to a post, go back under your bridge Buck, you used to be funny now it's just sad.

I thought the same of you..until I saw that bigot come out

 

[UncleBuck]

I think zimmerman had no business following and shooting him-
It may have been, in that moment it happened "self defense" and I 0 support self defense, but not when you create the situation- he had no business following him or harassing him or trying to confront or detain or question him, so if in doing so he put himself in a situation where he was assaulted, that assault was a result of his own action- this guy may have felt he needed to defend himself from zimmerman- and if he felt that way his instincts were apparently right

***like***

 

[Carne Seca]

they did take him in and question him, the detective wanted to press forward on manslaughter charges.

they said his story was inconsistent and did not add up. they did not press forward because they felt it would be difficult to convict.

Difficult to convict because of the Stand Your Ground law. And we're back to square one.

A law the public was not asking for. There was no issue with the current law. The NRA lobbied for it and got what they wanted. The lobbyist is even pictured next to the governor when the bill was signed into law. So proud. It was a corporate scheme to sell more guns.

 

[Harrekin]

I think zimmerman had no business following and shooting him-
It may have been, in that moment it happened "self defense" and I 0 support self defense, but not when you create the situation- he had no business following him or harassing him or trying to confront or detain or question him, so if in doing so he put himself in a situation where he was assaulted, that assault was a result of his own action- this guy may have felt he needed to defend himself from zimmerman- and if he felt that way his instincts were apparently right

Exactly, he should've left him the fuck alone if you ask me, but he didn't, and from that point on info is shaky it best. Who did what?

Buck, when did I race-bait? What is that even exactly?

He said he attacked a bus driver on Facebook, are you too slow to follow?

 

[londonfog]

I think zimmerman had no business following and shooting him-
It may have been, in that moment it happened "self defense" and I 0 support self defense, but not when you create the situation- he had no business following him or harassing him or trying to confront or detain or question him, so if in doing so he put himself in a situation where he was assaulted, that assault was a result of his own action- this guy may have felt he needed to defend himself from zimmerman- and if he felt that way his instincts were apparently right

agree, but don't agree with any form of claiming self-defense when you are the one approaching.. No approach and everyone is alive and well..Zimmerman in the car. Told not to follow..Zimmerman next to dead body..self-defense my ass

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

I think zimmerman had no business following and shooting him-
It may have been, in that moment it happened "self defense" and I 0 support self defense, but not when you create the situation- he had no business following him or harassing him or trying to confront or detain or question him, so if in doing so he put himself in a situation where he was assaulted, that assault was a result of his own action- this guy may have felt he needed to defend himself from zimmerman- and if he felt that way his instincts were apparently right

Like++ I gotta phat dick

 

[cannabineer]

It's not about WHO did WHAT. It's about how it was handled. I can't choose sides shit Zimmerman was a drunk wifebeater anf trayvon was probably a nigga just like me wit my hoodie when i was 17 so either one of us couldve started it. But i believe if a man kills another man, or a by in this case. He shouldve been taken in for questioning. everything was fuck up bt thats my whole issue. I have been arreted on more then one occassion for just shooting my damn gun with no bond even. they couldn't take him in?

In the end, it *must* be about who did what at the time. I agree it's odd that they didn't take Zimmerman in, and as CS and UB have pointed out, the Sanford PD has a history of sloppy andor corrupt doings.
But the history of each principal, and the history of the PD, are suggestive but NOT conclusive. That's why I maintain that we need to make a more reasonable approach to what is truth here, or more precisely ... what stands examination as fact.
Now that the FBI are involved, i have more hope that what physical/forensic evidence there is will get a fair shake, and I also hope that if the evidence was subject to tampering (a real possibility if indeed the Sanford PD was coaching the witnesses) that will lead to a temporary cleanup of the PD. cn

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

Only in court does it matter who did what. you no idea how many ppl in sanford florida right now would ignorantly put a bullet in him if he's seen? not even knowing what they're doing. and i'm talkin young boys.

 

[mccumcumber]

I think this thread is growing faster than the hottest girls of RIU (or whatever the name of it was)... Shit like this happens every fucking day. I don't see why there's such a huge debate about the morality of it.

For those of you who haven't grown up in a ghetto, here are your options:

A) Put your hood up, do not wear any of the surrounding gangs' colors, don't talk to anyone you don't know, don't go out at night. Get a job or 3 so you can move out. You still might get shot. Deal with it.
B) Put your hood up, pretend that you're a little hood rat until you actually get into some shit. While you're pretending to apart of a bigger gang you get protection in your area. You still might get shot, but at least the chances are lowered. You're stuck in that area for life. Deal with it.

From what the media is saying, Trayvan fell into option B. The problem isn't as much Zimmerman as it is the shitty environment. Zimmerman saw a hooded figure and thought the dude was a hood rat. Apparently he decided to go vigilante on the dude's ass... not the sharpest tool in the shed, but hey, he wants to be a badass! AMERICA! Trayvan, living up to his reputation fought back. Both parties were being stupid, that's not the question. It seems like Trayvan beat Zimmerman down, and Zimmerman decided "not in my neighborhood buddy," and shot Trayvan. Now, what if Trayvan grew up in the rich area of town? Do you think any of this would have happened, probably not. It's not racism, or gun control laws, it's the consequences and the perceptions that are given to those who grow up in the ghetto that are wrong.

Edit: If I had to chose between options of Trayvan or Zimmerman being wrong, then it is undoubtedly Zimmerman.

 

[UncleBuck]

Difficult to convict because of the Stand Your Ground law. And we're back to square one.

A law the public was not asking for. There was no issue with the current law. The NRA lobbied for it and got what they wanted. The lobbyist is even pictured next to the governor when the bill was signed into law. So proud. It was a corporate scheme to sell more guns.

i think it is retarded that they decided to forgo any chance of justice at the time rather than at least try to get to the bottom of things. i mean, a kid is dead.

i also find it telling that the detective did not think zimmerman's story held water. especially since his story is changing all the time and even his "friend" contradicts himself to the point of incredulity.

the more we find out, the more it reeks to high heaven.

 

[Carne Seca]

You know.. he could have had his hood up because it was.. oh.. I don't know.... raining. Remember the rain? Why would you walk around in the rain with your hood down. Jesus people. This bullshit is getting ridiculous.

 

[cannabineer]

Perhaps I am naïf, but "in court" is what matters. And I think that may come to pass as the FBI sort through the evidence. I WILL wager Zim was told "stay in town, mkay?" cn

 

[UncleBuck]

You know.. he could have had his hood up because it was.. oh.. I don't know.... raining. Remember the rain? Why would you walk around in the rain with your hood down. Jesus people. This bullshit is getting ridiculous.

he put the hood up knowing zimmerman was there to bait him into killing him at the advice of his mother who would then go on to profit off her own dead son's name.

that is the next headline on fox news, minus some racial tinge.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

I think this thread is growing faster than the hottest girls of RIU (or whatever the name of it was)... Shit like this happens every fucking day. I don't see why there's such a huge debate about the morality of it.

For those of you who haven't grown up in a ghetto, here are your options:

A) Put your hood up, do not wear any of the surrounding gangs' colors, don't talk to anyone you don't know, don't go out at night. Get a job or 3 so you can move out. You still might get shot. Deal with it.
B) Put your hood up, pretend that you're a little hood rat until you actually get into some shit. While you're pretending to apart of a bigger gang you get protection in your area. You still might get shot, but at least the chances are lowered. You're stuck in that area for life. Deal with it.

Trayvan fell into option B. The problem isn't as much Zimmerman as it is the shitty environment. Zimmerman saw a hooded figure and thought the dude was a hood rat. Apparently he decided to go vigilante on the dude's ass... not the sharpest tool in the shed, but hey, he wants to be a badass! AMERICA! Trayvan, living up to his reputation fought back. Both parties were being stupid, that's not the question. It seems like Trayvan beat Zimmerman down, and Zimmerman decided "not in my neighborhood buddy," and shot Trayvan. Now, what if Trayvan grew up in the rich area of town? Do you think any of this would have happened, probably not. It's not racism, or gun control laws, it's the consequences and the perceptions that are given to those who grow up in the ghetto that are wrong.

agree for some of. n im from the hood, shit still in it so i come from your point of view. shit happens. but since the police were involved and all this corruption of the case is why ppl are up in arms.

 

[UncleBuck]

Perhaps I am naïf, but "in court" is what matters. And I think that may come to pass as the FBI sort through the evidence. I WILL wager Zim was told "stay in town, mkay?" cn

if i were him, i would be looking at which countries do not extradite and the cost of airfare to those places while i was still a free man.