Isn't that person part of the corrupt and hardly believable Sanford PD?
trayvan martin
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I never shot an unarmed man, they were all armed. I hope most of the other Vets around here were the same way, I hope.
One time someone put their hands on me, I had witnesses and the guy usually had a knife on him (which I knew, which is why I reacted the way I did) that he made the first move. But because I broke several of his bones and didn't have a scratch on me I almost got fucked (had to pay 2 grand, I was on probation at the time so it was pay or jail lol). I completely support the law and sometimes life just sucks dick. It's much different here in Jersey and trust me, it's much worse for it.
Your lawyer sucked.
Blaze Master
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i'm sure most didn't but i'm equally sure the military has their fair share of "zimmermans" in it.
Won't disagree with that either haha.
But in Jersey you can only fight back if you have an absolute inability to run away, which means that judges pretty much jump to the assumption that if you didn't run and had the chance then you chose to fight and thus committed a crime (Not being able to run away from an average human because I have emphysema apparently doesn't matter, either)
UncleBuck
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as will i.
vive le resistance!to be historically acurate the french fought for your freedom. that's right the FRENCH, who are the pussies now?
i don't disagree at all. vigilantism like zimmerman committed is as bad even if it happens to him now, and he should have every right to defend himself.
fuck BC. vacationed in vancouver for a week or so a couple years back. $12 packs of smokes and $14 for 6 pack of shit beer, taxes out the ass. i have a friend who lives in kelowna, he hates canada and is prepared to start slicing throats any day now. he will also attest that those canucks ain't as polite as we joke about them being.
no disagreement here, we raped the shit out of the native americans. truly a shitty way to establish our nation, on genocide.
when i was 16, a friend and me went around taking squeegees from all the gas stations round, had a trunk filled with them. still not sure why we were so retarded as to do that.
lol 1234567
UncleBuck
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touche.
my rebuttal would be that his suggestion was overruled by others who felt that there was not enough evidence to convict. perhaps if they had actually collected evidence (say, photos of zimmerman with his broken nose and smashed in skull, lol) i could believe it. or if others had not "corrected" accounts of the situation that did not fit with zimmerman's narrative.
basically, it's a matter of "we know his story is bullshit, but he knows how to lie well enough and has covered his tracks". it would make sense, zimmerman having studied criminal justice and being a cop wannabe.
i mean, zimmerman's account is still evolving, it has changed several times. this might still earn a guilty verdict in court, time will tell.
The Police have stated they are not releasing their evidence, they may very well have pictures and what not.
The Grand Jury will decide if it goes to court, there won't necessarily be a trial.
I don't see how studying criminal justice makes you want to be a cop. Lawyers, judges, paralegals all study that stuff too. Maybe he just wanted to know the laws?
When does Zimmerman say he pulled the gun out?
Canna Sylvan
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Ron Paul is as Libertarian as Ted Kennedy was Republican.
Canna Sylvan
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Martin could've been the black reincarnation of Hitler. How could Zimmerman know that after following him like hunter's prey? Especially when it was dark and raining. Even if he were, would it matter if he just got lucky? What if he was innocent and just walking home? OMFG! He was.
Capt. Stickyfingers
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People keep forgetting this kid dude was 6' 3", 150-160lbs., which might seem like a scrawny punk to some people that have never been in a fight before. He had gold teeth and tattoos, called himself No limit nigga on twitter, and punched bus drivers. The pics they keep showing of him are old as hell, and so are zimmerman's.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/trayvon_was_your_son_too_S8f8e7fjAVQJ4tWLOksPIP
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/trayvon_was_your_son_too_S8f8e7fjAVQJ4tWLOksPIP
scroglodyte
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he's met his limit now. the gold teeth, the gangster attitude, the Mr. Tough-Guy Attitude. that killed him, more than any bullet. the bus driver knows.
Capt. Stickyfingers
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Also, like I mentioned earlier too, Trayvon's parents are trademarking his name and slogans with his name. Those of you that think it's to stop others from profiting off him is crazy. You didn't see Caylee Anthony's family trademarking her name.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-looks-trademark-am-trayvon-justice-142131528.html
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-looks-trademark-am-trayvon-justice-142131528.html
really comfy slippers
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Have a son, then have him shot.. After that, come back and join us.
Capt. Stickyfingers
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That would have nothing to do with this case.
SANFORD -- Despite public claims that there wasn't enough probable cause to make a criminal case in the Trayvon Martin killing, early in the investigation the Sanford Police Department requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney's office, the special prosecutor in the case told The Miami Herald on Tuesday.
A Sanford Police incident report shows the case was categorized as "homicide/negligent manslaughter."
The state attorney's office held off pending further review, The Miami Herald has learned.
The Miami Gardens high school junior was killed Feb. 26 by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer. The 28-year-old insurance underwriter and college student was never charged, triggering a nationwide crusade on the dead teen's behalf.
Asked to confirm that the police recommended a manslaughter charge, special prosecutor Angela Corey said: "I don't know about that, but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: 'We're through with our investigation and here it is for you.' The state attorney im
paneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in mid-stream."
A capias is a request for charges to be filed.
The Seminole County State Attorney's Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges.
"If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause," said a source in the Seminole State Attorney's office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. "We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn't mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it's appropriate. That's the responsible thing to do.''
The Seminole County State Attorney's Office was consulted the night of Trayvon's killing, but no prosecutor ever visited the scene. As the controversy intensified, Gov. Rick Scott replaced Seminole State Attorney Norm Wolfinger with Corey, the state attorney for Duval, Nassau and Clay counties, based in Jacksonville.
"The case now has a new state attorney, and they didn't file charges the first day they got it, either," the Seminole prosecutor who asked to remain anonymous said.
The development is in stark contrast to the statements repeatedly made by Bill Lee, the Sanford police chief who has since stepped aside and was lambasted for his handling of the case. Lee publicly insisted that there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, leading many critics to say he came across more like a defense attorney for the security buff.
"Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self-defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony," Lee wrote in a memo posted on the city's website. "By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based of the facts and circumstances they had at the time."
He cited the statute number for Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, which provides immunity to people who kill someone in self-defense.
Lee's was criticized for his explanations, because many people thought he was bending over backward to protect the shooter based on the results of a shoddy investigation.
A spokeswoman for the city said the police department would make no further comments on the ongoing investigation.
The FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement took over the case. An FDLE investigator and the new prosecutor were spotted in Zimmerman's neighborhood Tuesday interviewing witnesses.
Many of the facts of what happened at the Retreat at Twin Lakes that night remain murky.
What's clear is that Trayvon was staying at his father's girlfriend's house in a gated community in Sanford while serving out a 10-day suspension for getting caught with an empty baggie with marijuana residue at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School.
A school police investigator said that after a graffiti incident, he went through Martin's backpack, looking for a marker, the Herald reported. Instead, the officer said, he found 12 pieces of jewelry, including wedding bands and diamond earrings. He said he also found a watch and a screwdriver, which he described as a "burglary tool."
He went for a walk shortly before the start of the NBA All Stars game to buy Skittles and iced tea. Zimmerman, who had a history of reporting "suspicious characters," spotted Trayvon when he was on his way back from 7-Eleven and called police saying he saw someone who looked high, walked too slowly in the rain and appeared to be looking at people's houses.
The neighborhood watch volunteer, who was licensed to carry a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun in a holster, was recorded on the police line muttering profanities and a possible racial slur. He tailed Trayvon until the boy took off running.
Trayvon's attorneys say the dead teen's cell phone records show he was on the phone with his girlfriend, who told lawyers that Trayvon was alarmed that someone was following him. She heard him ask Zimmerman why he was pursuing him, then heard a scuffle before the line went dead.
Zimmerman told police that Trayvon approached him from behind and attacked him. An unnamed police source told the Orlando Sentinel that Zimmerman said Trayvon decked him with one punch and slammed his head on the concrete.
The two tussled on the ground, and Zimmerman took the gun from his waist and shot Trayvon once in the chest.
Zimmerman, Lee told The Herald two weeks ago, was able to articulate that he was in "reasonable fear" of great bodily harm or death. Witness statements and a doctor's report corroborated his injuries, Lee said. A police report said he had a bloody nose and a grass-stained shirt.
A Sanford Police incident report shows the case was categorized as "homicide/negligent manslaughter."
The state attorney's office held off pending further review, The Miami Herald has learned.
The Miami Gardens high school junior was killed Feb. 26 by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer. The 28-year-old insurance underwriter and college student was never charged, triggering a nationwide crusade on the dead teen's behalf.
Asked to confirm that the police recommended a manslaughter charge, special prosecutor Angela Corey said: "I don't know about that, but as far as the process I can tell you that the police went to the state attorney with a capias request, meaning: 'We're through with our investigation and here it is for you.' The state attorney im
paneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in mid-stream."
A capias is a request for charges to be filed.
The Seminole County State Attorney's Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges.
"If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause," said a source in the Seminole State Attorney's office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. "We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn't mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it's appropriate. That's the responsible thing to do.''
The Seminole County State Attorney's Office was consulted the night of Trayvon's killing, but no prosecutor ever visited the scene. As the controversy intensified, Gov. Rick Scott replaced Seminole State Attorney Norm Wolfinger with Corey, the state attorney for Duval, Nassau and Clay counties, based in Jacksonville.
"The case now has a new state attorney, and they didn't file charges the first day they got it, either," the Seminole prosecutor who asked to remain anonymous said.
The development is in stark contrast to the statements repeatedly made by Bill Lee, the Sanford police chief who has since stepped aside and was lambasted for his handling of the case. Lee publicly insisted that there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, leading many critics to say he came across more like a defense attorney for the security buff.
"Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self-defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony," Lee wrote in a memo posted on the city's website. "By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based of the facts and circumstances they had at the time."
He cited the statute number for Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, which provides immunity to people who kill someone in self-defense.
Lee's was criticized for his explanations, because many people thought he was bending over backward to protect the shooter based on the results of a shoddy investigation.
A spokeswoman for the city said the police department would make no further comments on the ongoing investigation.
The FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement took over the case. An FDLE investigator and the new prosecutor were spotted in Zimmerman's neighborhood Tuesday interviewing witnesses.
Many of the facts of what happened at the Retreat at Twin Lakes that night remain murky.
What's clear is that Trayvon was staying at his father's girlfriend's house in a gated community in Sanford while serving out a 10-day suspension for getting caught with an empty baggie with marijuana residue at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School.
A school police investigator said that after a graffiti incident, he went through Martin's backpack, looking for a marker, the Herald reported. Instead, the officer said, he found 12 pieces of jewelry, including wedding bands and diamond earrings. He said he also found a watch and a screwdriver, which he described as a "burglary tool."
He went for a walk shortly before the start of the NBA All Stars game to buy Skittles and iced tea. Zimmerman, who had a history of reporting "suspicious characters," spotted Trayvon when he was on his way back from 7-Eleven and called police saying he saw someone who looked high, walked too slowly in the rain and appeared to be looking at people's houses.
The neighborhood watch volunteer, who was licensed to carry a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun in a holster, was recorded on the police line muttering profanities and a possible racial slur. He tailed Trayvon until the boy took off running.
Trayvon's attorneys say the dead teen's cell phone records show he was on the phone with his girlfriend, who told lawyers that Trayvon was alarmed that someone was following him. She heard him ask Zimmerman why he was pursuing him, then heard a scuffle before the line went dead.
Zimmerman told police that Trayvon approached him from behind and attacked him. An unnamed police source told the Orlando Sentinel that Zimmerman said Trayvon decked him with one punch and slammed his head on the concrete.
The two tussled on the ground, and Zimmerman took the gun from his waist and shot Trayvon once in the chest.
Zimmerman, Lee told The Herald two weeks ago, was able to articulate that he was in "reasonable fear" of great bodily harm or death. Witness statements and a doctor's report corroborated his injuries, Lee said. A police report said he had a bloody nose and a grass-stained shirt.
Harrekin
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Interesting...