Worst strain you have even grown ?

[crazyhazey]

seeds shouldnt cost more than 30 bucks for a ten pack, if you go to the store you buy a 100 pack of sunflower seeds for like 2.50, weeds just a plant and one little 3 gram bud can give you probably more than 10 seeds if you pollinate it a bunch. they get to keep the bud as well, another 40-60 bucks in their pocket.
these companies dont need that huge of a profit, they're already selling the nugs they grow i guarantee it. people just have the misconception that the more you pay the better your plants will be. this is a horrible way to think, and its another reason why growers quit growing, shit can just get too expensive, some of us have bills to pay, families to support, money they have to pay to the mob, i guess what im saying is "good" genetics can drive you bankrupt when you need money the most.
its bad enough your spending more than 200 dollars on ventilation or lighting, power etc but why pay another 100-200 dollars on seeds? ill
roll with sannies, theyve got great strains for great prices, theyre not as cheap as KC brains but pretty cheap compared to the stuff on the attitude, they know what their product is worth, and imo any strain isnt worth 100 bucks for a 10 pack of regs, your paying 10 bucks a seed for seeds that can be 9/10 males. buying expensive genetics is like settling for nutrient companies, either you can pay more and expect to get incredible results or you could spend probably 1/10 of the price on organics and just as good genetics from another seedbank and get just as good if not better results.
imo, if it was up to me i would pick the cheaper solution, but hey im not wiping my ass with benjamins.

 

[kermit2692]

wow......so let me tell ya something, im a nice guy but i could be alot nicer if i was rich. so if these guys spend all their resources and time to give away the final product in the end, they will kill off their own business...this is still a business ppl!! its not ooooonly about the "patients" everyone has to make money....and now second i take huge offense to anyone who smokes pot taking anything but a positive side on the medical thing because ya everyone deserves it it should be legal but this is the best step we can take to get to that goal. so ya for now most states are illegal and in the others you have to go ruin your day and pay for a med card but shit how hard is that?? it pretty much is legal lets keep it going!!!!

 

[kermit2692]

but the reason is simple you cant go take your 3 dollar sunflower seeds and create thousands of dollars with the sunflowers....so it is what it is so be it, if i made my own strain and was good at breeding you can bet your ass im gonna charge 5 bucks a seed i put my hard work into making those and noone deserves to get one for less than a damn bigmac!!! and at 5 bucks thats 50 a pack....really not unreasonable imo given the nature of the business and the risk involved

 

[crazyhazey]

but the reason is simple you cant go take your 3 dollar sunflower seeds and create thousands of dollars with the sunflowers....so it is what it is so be it, if i made my own strain and was good at breeding you can bet your ass im gonna charge 5 bucks a seed i put my hard work into making those and noone deserves to get one for less than a damn bigmac!!! and at 5 bucks thats 50 a pack....really not unreasonable imo given the nature of the business and the risk involved

you dont think tomato breeders worked their ass off? think about how demoralizing that is to the idea of prices, what makes MJ such an expensive plant? ill tell you, its prohibition. if that shit was legal, we'd buy seeds of it in the same section we do any other seeds at lowes or home depot, it grows wild and it doesnt deserve to have its price marked up because of petty laws, those prices discourage people to grow if anything. about 5 fems out of a 10 pack arent worth 50 bucks, if you break it down your really paying like 10 bucks a seed for regs since theres chances of males. marijuana shouldnt be treated any different than any other plant, that goes for the seeds as well. dont let the law control how much you charge for seeds, if you sell good genetics for about 10 bucks for a 10 pack, im pretty sure your business would be booming, no reason to mark up prices around 50 bucks so you have to compete with all the other seedbanks that are still charging 5-10 bucks a seed.

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

Exactly like I said. Manipulation and taking advantage of the current legal limbo of cannabis. If it was regulated on the scale of tobacco , the prices would be very much different. Like apples, the better varieties get proven and will have a slightly higher prices, but still not as retarded as 120 bucks for 10 seeds.

Technically, no seed breeder is a "business"....but yes its all about "business". Many breeders price so high just cause of fame or notoriety of themselves , or of a geographic location. Cali being the slut of that train.

The prices should be determined by real value, and not whatever prices they want, wish, or say. But that is not able to happen as long as it remains a schedule 1.

Another reason they sell so retarded prices is because at 10 bucks a 10 pack they would need a lot more people interested in genetics to make the money they make at 100 bucks a 10 pack. At that rate, its okay if not everyone can afford, or not everyone(most people) is willing to pay that much.

All this talk of high price this and that sound anything compassionate? I mean thats the clause they lets them do this bogus shit. Frankly I would not shed a tear if the big dogs get at breeders who are selling seeds under the medical clause.

To the comment of " its pretty much legal lets keep this going"...Thats the problem right there is that medical people are not criminalized but every other mofo is. The medical movement needs to stop and we need to fund the fight with the RIGHT REASON it should be legal for all to use, and it has nothing to do with anything medical. Its a civil rights issue, not a medical issue. The medical movement has only proven to make matters much more worse than before.

 

[crazyhazey]

Exactly like I said. Manipulation and taking advantage of the current legal limbo of cannabis. If it was regulated on the scale of tobacco , the prices would be very much different. Like apples, the better varieties get proven and will have a slightly higher prices, but still not as retarded as 120 bucks for 10 seeds.

Technically, no seed breeder is a "business"....but yes its all about "business". Many breeders price so high just cause of fame or notoriety of themselves , or of a geographic location. Cali being the slut of that train.

The prices should be determined by real value, and not whatever prices they want, wish, or say. But that is not able to happen as long as it remains a schedule 1.

Another reason they sell so retarded prices is because at 10 bucks a 10 pack they would need a lot more people interested in genetics to make the money they make at 100 bucks a 10 pack. At that rate, its okay if not everyone can afford, or not everyone(most people) is willing to pay that much.

All this talk of high price this and that sound anything compassionate? I mean thats the clause they lets them do this bogus shit. Frankly I would not shed a tear if the big dogs get at breeders who are selling seeds under the medical clause.

To the comment of " its pretty much legal lets keep this going"...Thats the problem right there is that medical people are not criminalized but every other mofo is. The medical movement needs to stop and we need to fund the fight with the RIGHT REASON it should be legal for all to use, and it has nothing to do with anything medical. Its a civil rights issue, not a medical issue. The medical movement has only proven to make matters much more worse than before.

i agree with every last word of that post, medicinal use is still costing the government millions on the drug war, the one theyve already lost but they still choose to take out funding to give those sore motherfuckers who go and rip out fields of weed, i think itd be funny if an alien came to our world and saw america, just a bunch of dumbasses chasing a species of plant. itd be hysterical if there was a list of plants that the governments gonna make illegal, they might as well try to go look for a field of corn in a fuckin helicopter, one thats using gas funded by our own tax dollars.

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

Ever heard that funny little quote that riddles something along the lines of " Nobody has ever went broke estimating the intelligence of the American people".....bullshit, Americans Did! The county has went broke from fighting senseless wars that they think are divine to fight. The American solution for ANYTHING is to wage war! Its all they have ever done and its bound to come around at them.

Americans have never respected the sovereignty of any nation or nation of people. Right from the start with the Indians when the "Europeans" ( aka modern day Americans) bullied them off their Native land, Right down to the disrespect this Government has to the sovereignty of this PLANET...let alone cannabis.

Can anyone understand why the world has no patience for Americans anymore? Its because of the utter lack of respect for anything sovereign.

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

but the reason is simple you cant go take your 3 dollar sunflower seeds and create thousands of dollars with the sunflowers....so it is what it is so be it, if i made my own strain and was good at breeding you can bet your ass im gonna charge 5 bucks a seed i put my hard work into making those and noone deserves to get one for less than a damn bigmac!!! and at 5 bucks thats 50 a pack....really not unreasonable imo given the nature of the business and the risk involved

Sunflowers are not a schedule 1 substance.
Cannabis is a schedule 1 substance.

Im only talking about those lovely breeders that fall into that whole "compassionate medical" scene. Its a ploy of raw hot shit.

 

[crazyhazey]

Ever heard that funny little quote that riddles something along the lines of " Nobody has ever went broke estimating the intelligence of the American people".....bullshit, Americans Did! The county has went broke from fighting senseless wars that they think are divine to fight. The American solution for ANYTHING is to wage war! Its all they have ever done and its bound to come around at them.

Americans have never respected the sovereignty of any nation or nation of people. Right from the start with the Indians when the "Europeans" ( aka modern day Americans) bullied them off their Native land, Right down to the disrespect this Government has to the sovereignty of this PLANET...let alone cannabis.

Can anyone understand why the world has no patience for Americans anymore? Its because of the utter lack of respect for anything sovereign.

completely true as well, we fight in wars that we cant win and any problem is resolved with hostility towards the enemy. america is known for its ignorance, its tragic that the majority of people in congress all came from the same social class, all of them have mostly bought their way into our government and they're running it horribly, they keep marijuana down because one of their friends own the pharmacies or makes all these synthetic drugs that kill people. listen to the side effects of every commercial about medicine, i bet it has a lot more cons than pros. they keep down mj because it would replace these drugs, and people can cultivate them so easily. the pharmaceutical companies wouldnt go bankrupt, but they'd lose plenty of customers, and i expect hospitals would be a bit less crowded from people ODing on xanax.

 

[rbico]

Are medicines extremely expensive? Yup. Should "medical marijuana" be any different....YES, Because...I would LIKE TO THINK the people that are in the cannabis community are truly "compassionate", and not like every other dick fuck in the pharma industry...Only out to make a buck and fuck who they help! THAT, is the STORY of the SHIT WE SEE in the Cannabis Genetics Industry!

I have a card but I think the medical movement is kind of a joke for the most part. I do think it is relatively compassionate though. I can get an ounce for $80 if I am hard up for cash and it will be a decent high. I also get a free gram at every coop just for stopping in (for the first time). There are also places here that will give away seeds and clones to sick people or people with no cash. Subcool himself walked around giving out shitloads of seeds away at Seattle Hempfest - basically to anyone who looked ill.

All that being said, I think it is just glorified black market. going into a coop feels a lot like going to a dealers house to pickup weed. Waiting in the front watching TV until the person before you is done; then being called back in the the hidden room where the weed is. Mindless chit-chat while you look at the product. Pitbulls running around - shitty music playing -- Bob Marley posters on the wall. I like coops only marginally better than "the old days", mainly for the clones but in a pinch for the dried "medicine". The process of buying weed from dealers was about 90% of the reason I started growing my own. I haven't regretted it since!

$12 a seed seems like a lot when I can get a clone for $15 and I know it's female and depending on who I get it from, I know it will be good shit. I paid $4 a seed for Romulan Mikado from Every-Direct 15 years ago. A stabilized pure indica hybrid that was the best weed I have ever had in my life - bar none. It isn't around anymore. I still regret not propagating that one.

 

[rbico]

Americans have never respected the sovereignty of any nation or nation of people.

Wrong. Isreal.

 

[crazyhazey]

The process of buying weed from dealers was about 90% of the reason I started growing my own. I haven't regretted it since!

i feel you on that one, drug dealers in florida are all usually pretty sketchy, very likely you will get skimped too.

 

[rbico]

i feel you on that one, drug dealers in florida are all usually pretty sketchy, very likely you will get skimped too.

Sometimes it was even my friends, but selling is business and there was defiantely a different vibe when I was buying versus when I was just hanging out. Yuck! I have never sold my stuff and never will. I always give a good amount away to a few select friends who know I grow, but that's it.

 

[Corso312]

shit..i have bought green from 75 different people over the years...never a bad experience ... never had a problem moving any either...maybe you guys are poor judge of character?

 

[bassclef]

Exactly like I said. Manipulation and taking advantage of the current legal limbo of cannabis. If it was regulated on the scale of tobacco , the prices would be very much different. Like apples, the better varieties get proven and will have a slightly higher prices, but still not as retarded as 120 bucks for 10 seeds.

If it was legal and regulated like tobacco, you'd see the pharmaceutical companies take over the industry, and real quality marijuana would be like craft beer. Then they'd lobby to pass cannabis laws in their favor, totally shutting out the little guy.

Technically, no seed breeder is a "business"....but yes its all about "business". Many breeders price so high just cause of fame or notoriety of themselves , or of a geographic location. Cali being the slut of that train.

What? Every seed breeder is a business. If you make and sell something, that is a business. Breeders price high because they can, and the majority of growers regard them as excellent genetics and will buy them. Example: Rezdog strains sell for big money because it is a quality product. People know he breeds (bred) with the original Chemdawg cut. If you think a strain with DNA like that sucks, then you don't know how to grow. People pay more because it's an IBL and has better consistency than, say Nirvana's seeds which show more phenotype variation.

The prices should be determined by real value, and not whatever prices they want, wish, or say. But that is not able to happen as long as it remains a schedule 1.

Again, prices are determined by what the market will bear, not by some arbitrary definition of "value".

All this talk of high price this and that sound anything compassionate? I mean thats the clause they lets them do this bogus shit. Frankly I would not shed a tear if the big dogs get at breeders who are selling seeds under the medical clause.

To the comment of " its pretty much legal lets keep this going"...Thats the problem right there is that medical people are not criminalized but every other mofo is. The medical movement needs to stop and we need to fund the fight with the RIGHT REASON it should be legal for all to use, and it has nothing to do with anything medical. Its a civil rights issue, not a medical issue. The medical movement has only proven to make matters much more worse than before.

Where do you draw the line at being compassionate and keeping a profitable business? Maybe we should all live in a weed utopia where our benevolent leaders give us our daily allotment of weed, free of cost. Yeah, that'd be great. We need competition to keep prices down and quality high. If that means a few breeders have exorbitant prices, so be it. If their product sucked the prices wouldn't remain high.

I agree with you that the bigger issue is civil liberties. We should have a right to put whatever we want into our bodies so long as we don't harm anyone else. But the medical movement has grown as a natural resistance to Federal law. It's a way to get around it. And it's all we've got now, we shouldn't just abandon it because it's not perfect.

 

[bassclef]

I think "worst strain" is dependent on HOW you grow it, not the result of the DNA contained within the seeds.

If you grow great genetics under CFLs, yeah you're going to get crappy yields and airy buds. Proper lighting and nutrition is necessary to bring out any strain's potential.

Also elite genetics are often not easy to grow for a beginner, imo, so those with only a few grows under their belt have no right to bash the big boys.

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

Wrong. Isreal.

I will give you this. But the real reality is that the reason we respect Isreal is cause of $$$$$. If Isreal was broke they would be history, and no not modern history.

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

If it was legal and regulated like tobacco, you'd see the pharmaceutical companies take over the industry, and real quality marijuana would be like craft beer. Then they'd lobby to pass cannabis laws in their favor, totally shutting out the little guy.



What? Every seed breeder is a business. If you make and sell something, that is a business. Breeders price high because they can, and the majority of growers regard them as excellent genetics and will buy them. Example: Rezdog strains sell for big money because it is a quality product. People know he breeds (bred) with the original Chemdawg cut. If you think a strain with DNA like that sucks, then you don't know how to grow. People pay more because it's an IBL and has better consistency than, say Nirvana's seeds which show more phenotype variation.



Again, prices are determined by what the market will bear, not by some arbitrary definition of "value".



Where do you draw the line at being compassionate and keeping a profitable business? Maybe we should all live in a weed utopia where our benevolent leaders give us our daily allotment of weed, free of cost. Yeah, that'd be great. We need competition to keep prices down and quality high. If that means a few breeders have exorbitant prices, so be it. If their product sucked the prices wouldn't remain high.

I agree with you that the bigger issue is civil liberties. We should have a right to put whatever we want into our bodies so long as we don't harm anyone else. But the medical movement has grown as a natural resistance to Federal law. It's a way to get around it. And it's all we've got now, we shouldn't just abandon it because it's not perfect.

Good Post. I think that there is a great deal of speculation on your idea with pharma. There is a reason why pharma has no interest in cannabis and thats because anybody can produce it, and it does not need to be refined for better quality.

If it was a business I would imagine that they pay both state and federal taxes. But they don't.

Prices are not determined by what the market will bear. Thats why you see such a very wide and broad range of prices. The market value of something is determined by many factors. In this case its very complex. Mostly because of the legalities of the situation.

Compassionate anything has no business in anything profitable. A compassionate business runs no profit margin. Red Cross is a great example. They are a non profit compassionate business.

I said nothing about rezdog, or DNA. I said cali is the slut train of geographical fame for strains. More so, if you think Rez's gear is an IBL....then I would check yourself. Rez is a hot big bag of raw hot shit. He knew nothing about genetics. He was the grandest of pollen chuckers! He himself said he was the biggest sly guy in the known universe FACT! He charged big dollar cause he hyped big with big advertisement. Like he said " Many suckers out there, and they all have money for me".....FACT!

Your Welcome.

 

[crazyhazey]

Sometimes it was even my friends, but selling is business and there was defiantely a different vibe when I was buying versus when I was just hanging out. Yuck! I have never sold my stuff and never will. I always give a good amount away to a few select friends who know I grow, but that's it.

i know what you mean, dealing is kind of a weird thing too. i like the people that act like im coming by to say whats up, but im conveniently buying weed. lol, some people just try to act too serious with that shit though, you know, those "scar face" types who think they need a weapon to deal. what a bunch of pussies, you dont need a glock to give people plant matter. prohibition is the only reason why they feel the need for it too, no matter how you break it down. i need to move to a medical state real soon, or FL needs to stop being a red state. lol

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

Its only a matter of time and it will be the same situation that we faced in Vietnam. The government will run out of funds and support to fight such a war. Cannabis legalization and regulation is inevitable. Us humans can only prohibit a natural occuring plant for so long before we realize the stupidity in doing so. Us humans as a individual are really ignorant , more so when we become one in a society. Lessons are always hard learned and always in a very long run.