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bundee1

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NoDrama said:
He brings his firearm when he goes to the grocery store too, does that mean he is going to commit armed robbery? There is a reason a CCW permit is issued you know. Its so you can ALWAYS have a firearm on you AT ALL TIMES! Perhaps you don't understand what a CCW is?

I think you are suspicious, does that make me following you an aggressive act? NO it does not.
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Its so guys with small dicks feel safe when they go to the grocery store.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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  • Dickhead needs to be charged for following Martin, he foregoes his stand your ground rights at that point.​


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By your definition, no member of any community watch should be protected for trying to make their community safer. Seems a tad harsh.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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  • Z intially provoked it my running after martin and then instead of backing away after being confronted, assuming martin did start the dialoge between the too, continued to question and provoke Martin
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You have no evidence of the confrontation. You are making shit up.

The entire conversation has been documented to be Martin asking Zimmerman if he had a fucking problem and when Zimmerman said no, he attacked him.

Now, you can speculate all day but without any other evidence we have to assume what Zimmerman said is a correct accounting of the situation.

You cannot just make shit up and then charge him with what you assumed happened.
 
Mellowman2112

Mellowman2112

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Guns are necessary to protect the people from the government and its been shown that places requiring gun ownership have a lower crime rate. Zimmerman should have taken his beating like a man however and not pulled his gun. He was the instigator and foregoes his armed defense rights at that point in my opinion. What we have here is a failure to communicate.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Mellowman2112 said:
Guns are necessary to protect the people from the government and its been shown that places requiring gun ownership have a lower crime rate. Zimmerman should have taken his beating like a man however and not pulled his gun. He was the instigator and foregoes his armed defense rights at that point in my opinion. What we have here is a failure to communicate.
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What if Travan knocked Zimmerman unconscious and shot him dead with his own gun? Would that have fallen under the classification of taking a beating like a man?

And what idiot "man" takes a beating? That is a fucked up concept all on it's own.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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zimmerman had to run to catch martin . . . that is pursuing and provocation as his intent was not to ask for direction but to confront martin

intent matters . . . . .you know

its a little thing that helps smart people understand context

but i will admit there are a lot of factors at play

thats why you just dont support poeple being vigilanties and when mistakes are made you make sure other people know that this behavior is not acceptable
 
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NoDrama

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bundee1 said:
Its so guys with small dicks feel safe when they go to the grocery store.
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You are at the grocery store, the guy in front of you pulls out a gun and starts shooting. What you gonna do? You gonna punch him after he ventilates you?

Women hold CCW permits also, do they have small dicks too, or small vaginas?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Samwell Seed Well said:
zimmerman had to run to catch martin . . . that is pursuing and provocation as his intent was not to ask for direction but to confront martin

intent matters . . . . .you know

its a little thing that helps smart people understand context

but i will admit there are a lot of factors at play

thats why you just dont support poeple being vigilanties and when mistakes are made you make sure other people know that this behavior is not acceptable
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It doesnt matter if he ran to catch travan..

It doesnt matter if he said anything else to travan..

The point that matters is by all physical evidence (broken nose, blood on back of head, etc.) that Travan attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman was in fear of his life.

That is the law. It doesnt matter if you dont like it.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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NoDrama said:
You are at the grocery store, the guy in front of you pulls out a gun and starts shooting. What you gonna do? You gonna punch him after he ventilates you?

Women hold CCW permits also, do they have small dicks too, or small vaginas?
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I have seen many guys openly carrying guns in grocery stores. And not surprisingly... NOTHING happened.

I think alot of posters watch too much TV.
 
Mellowman2112

Mellowman2112

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NLXSK1 said:
What if Travan knocked Zimmerman unconscious and shot him dead with his own gun? Would that have fallen under the classification of taking a beating like a man?And what idiot "man" takes a beating? That is a fucked up concept all on it's own.
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He is the older and larger of the two. If he scared Martin into a preemptive defensive act he should not have resorted to pulling his gun out. He could clearly see it was a kid. IF he gets socked on the jaw a few times he had it coming for getting out of his car and closing on martin in a threatening manner. It's a very unfortunate situation that is being used as one more lever to take everyones guns away. Not to mention further divide the electorate. Once we lose our guns then the real tyrrany begins.
 
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NoDrama

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Samwell Seed Well said:
zimmerman had to run to catch martin . . . that is pursuing and provocation as his intent was not to ask for direction but to confront martin

intent matters . . . . .you know

its a little thing that helps smart people understand context

but i will admit there are a lot of factors at play

thats why you just dont support poeple being vigilanties and when mistakes are made you make sure other people know that this behavior is not acceptable
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So martin is unable to outrun zimmerman? Are you sure zimmerman didn't just walk quickly? The best way to close a distance between two people going the same direction is by one person moving faster than the other. Zimmerman must be one hell of an athlete.

Intent? what was the intent? The only intent that I know of is zimmerman trying to ascertain whether Martin belonged there or not, but Trayvan started running away, which would lead any common sense person to think the person was guilty of something.

To be a Vigilante your reason for being is to PUNISH crime, not ascertain whether one was being committed. Zimmerman wasn't trying to punish Trayvan by following him.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
You left out the "fact" that Trayvon laid in the morgue for three days with a "John Doe" tag on his toe in your list of irrelevant facts.
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so every single eyewitness seeing this happen in the grass is "irrelevant", even though zimmerman says it happened on the sidewalk?

so suppose your son gets killed. the killer says to you, the father, "sorry man, i was fearing for my life! he punched me in the nose (from behind) and then slammed my head on the sidewalk!"

you then talk to the eyewitnesses, and every last one of them says the short scuffle happened in the grass.

you still gonna accept your son's killer at his word, even knowing he has a long history of violence, aggression, and losing his temper?

i bet you don't.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Mellowman2112 said:
He is the older and larger of the two. If he scared Martin into a preemptive defensive act he should not have resorted to pulling his gun out. He could clearly see it was a kid. IF he gets socked on the jaw a few times he had it coming for getting out of his car and closing on martin in a threatening manner. It's a very unfortunate situation that is being used as one more lever to take everyones guns away. Not to mention further divide the electorate. Once we lose our guns then the real tyrrany begins.
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Nobody deserves to get socked in the jaw. Zimmerman's injuries ended when he shot Travan. If he hadnt had a gun and died he would probably just have been another dead spic that had it coming eh?

Talk about bigots.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NLXSK1 said:
By your definition, no member of any community watch should be protected for trying to make their community safer. Seems a tad harsh.
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community watch means watch, not follow. community watch volunteers are instructed to NOT follow OR carry a firearm.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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UncleBuck said:
running away seems reasonable.



only AFTER exhausting every reasonable means of escape. note the word "and".
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Ok, put a 6'6" black man on top of you straddling you and beating you in the head and then show me how you run away from that...
 
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