Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated

[abandonconflict]

Rationale = Logic

Yeah that was easy lol.

 

[BA142]

I don't think Democrats are smarter than Republicans..or vice versa.

But I think there is a real correlation between delusional Religious beliefs and lack of intelligence and those beliefs tend to stem from the far right....

 

[abandonconflict]

I don't think Democrats are smarter than Republicans..or vice versa.

Parties are not the focus, liberal / conservative dichotomy is the focus.

 

[abandonconflict]

First of all, there are many conservative atheists because of humanist reasons.

I'm a economic and social liberal. For that reason I will side with Republicans over Democrats. I want to keep the shit I earned. If you Democrats want to steal it, go fuck yourselves. What, is Frothy going to watch my bed when I have anal sex with my wife? Get a life. How do I stop the Mack Daddy from stealing from me? I can't beg my boss to give me money that Kenyan garnished.

Btw, I score in the high 120s to mid 130s on IQ tests, which is two deviations above your median very liberal. So your charts suck.

You're as liberal as anyone here, you're just afraid to admit it.

 

[sync0s]

You're as liberal as anyone here, you're just afraid to admit it.

too true

+rep

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Do these studies take into account economic disparity of the groups?

 

[abandonconflict]

Do these studies take into account economic disparity of the groups?

Please continue about how being liberal makes you more wealthy.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

"But two important caveats are needed. First, by “conservatism” Stankov does not necessarily mean people who favor free market economics. He has in mind a kind of traditionalism probably best described as social conservatism:"

I am positively correlated.

 

[abandonconflict]

"But two important caveats are needed. First, by “conservatism” Stankov does not necessarily mean people who favor free market economics. He has in mind a kind of traditionalism probably best described as social conservatism:"

I am positively correlated.

The only thing wrong with you is your sig.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

You're as liberal as anyone here, you're just afraid to admit it.

Those who think government is never big enough, let's all sing kumbaya, "minorities" are taken advantage of, abortion is like a haircut, global warming will kill you, etc. Those make you liberal? I don't agree even slightly or sympathize with one of those.

I only agree with one liberal platform, the death penalty is wrong. All drugs should be legal is supposed to be liberal. I agree with no illegal drugs. But know of no one who agrees, even if they do them.

I just agree with what's right. Don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you. But I don't know of one liberal who thinks that. They all want to be your brother's keeper, for your own good. Even Bucky says he does it daily.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Please continue about how being liberal makes you more wealthy.

Perhaps you should go on about how being black makes you stupid?

 

[abandonconflict]

Perhaps you should go on about how being black makes you stupid?

Is that the kind of thing you like to go on about?

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Is that the kind of thing you like to go on about?

It's in your article. Black people didn't do well here they stated. You know why? It isn't because they're stupid. It's because they come from predominantly poor areas and have suffered through various events all through their history that have made things difficult.

And you know what? There are plenty of middle American families, groups and individuals that have gone through many other events that have similarly left them poor, but not necessarily stupid.

Further this article seems to be trying to paint a group as inherently flawed, rather than a product of their environment (which is far far more likely given the huge numbers of people we are discussing). And then trying to assign a few definitions to a large group of people and you have a recipe for more methodology issues. There is no genetic issue at play here though, it is all economic. And I don't feel the article makes this clear at all and in fact appears to be intentionally divisive.

Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated … At the individual level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with SAT, vocabulary, and analogy test scores. At the national level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with measures of education … and performance on mathematics and reading assessments.

All of these measures have large levels of bias and tell us little about actual levels of intelligence. This sure is a great divisive issue though.


Which is why I felt this entire thread was terrible to start with.

 

[abandonconflict]

It's in your article. Black people didn't do well here they stated. You know why? It isn't because they're stupid. It's because they come from predominantly poor areas and have suffered through various events all through their history that have made things difficult.

And you know what? There are plenty of middle American families, groups and individuals that have gone through many other events that have similarly left them poor, but not necessarily stupid.

Further this article seems to be trying to paint a group as inherently flawed, rather than a product of their environment (which is far far more likely given the huge numbers of people we are discussing). And then trying to assign a few definitions to a large group of people and you have a recipe for more methodology issues. There is no genetic issue at play here though, it is all economic. And I don't feel the article makes this clear at all and in fact appears to be intentionally divisive.



All of these measures have large levels of bias and tell us little about actual levels of intelligence. This sure is a great divisive issue though.


Which is why I felt this entire thread was terrible to start with.

It is bias because you don't like it? Look at the graph again.

 

[UncleBuck]

Those who think government is never big enough...

i don't give a fuck about the size of government. i don't think it should be bigger or smaller, i think it should be smarter.

mark me down as a social liberal and a fiscal technocrat.

"minorities" are taken advantage of

they are, disproportionately. witness the prison population.

abortion is like a haircut...

what goes on with a woman's body is between her and her doctor, and no one else.

global warming will kill you, etc.

anthropogenic climate change exists, and we should switch over to renewable, sustainable energy sources yesterday even if it did not exist. that way we can focus on the real elephant in the room, which is water. how do we produce enough crops to feed our ever growing population without water to grow those crops?

it's a pretty malthusian problem that i hear almost no one talking about, ever.

Those make you liberal?

no, your strawboys do not a liberal make. but making strawboys like that all day long do feed into the title of this thread.

Don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you. But I don't know of one liberal who thinks that. They all want to be your brother's keeper, for your own good. Even Bucky says he does it daily.

i am my brother's keeper daily. i can't help it. i stop at red lights so i don't kill people, i tell someone if they tucked their shirt into their underwear, i share food with my neighbors all the time, offer them help when i see them doing something.

what can i say? i think that the measure of society is how we treat our weakest and most vulnerable, and that no man is an island. the better we do as a whole, the better each of us do individually. "don't fuck with me and i won't fuck with you" is, i feel, not the best way to pass this most important of tests.

you and i wouldn't be on the internet right now if not for collectivism.

edit: you may disagree with me on the "no man is an island" thing, you may be more of the sartre type, i.e. "hell is other people". just remember, us humans are pack animals. i guarantee that if we got attacked tomorrow, we would put aside every single difference we had and bond together instantly to protect our country as a whole.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

It is bias because you don't like it? Look at the graph again.

They are biased measures because they are directly correlated to the amount of attention one can focus on education. A vocabulary test? Really?

 

[abandonconflict]

I posted the articles, I also read them. You read them. Do you need reading lessons? What is your question? Are you asking for my permission to be the exception to the "generally" and the "less likely" or "more likely" mentioned so many times? Are you trying to convince me that peer reviewed studies are biased? That isn't my problem.

 

[deprave]

Those who think government is never big enough, let's all sing kumbaya, "minorities" are taken advantage of, abortion is like a haircut, global warming will kill you, etc. Those make you liberal? I don't agree even slightly or sympathize with one of those.

I only agree with one liberal platform, the death penalty is wrong. All drugs should be legal is supposed to be liberal. I agree with no illegal drugs. But know of no one who agrees, even if they do them.

I just agree with what's right. Don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you. But I don't know of one liberal who thinks that. They all want to be your brother's keeper, for your own good. Even Bucky says he does it daily.

again your on the big government thing the biggest republican guise of all , big government doesn't make you a liberal...'big government' vs 'small government' does NOT move you left or right it moves you up or down between anarchy and authortianism...you don't have to beleive in global warming scam to be a liberal..you don't have to believe in brainwashing political correctness and false racism...you agree on "Don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you." so that automatically makes you in the center....Now you also believe marijuana should be legal so there you go..your a liberal...maybe only slightly because you believe in individualism and free markets...but your still a liberal. Conservative and the right wing is a falesy, it doesn't even really exist among average people they only think that it exists through indoctrination and ignorance, unless your some kind of radical or relegious nut then your not right wing, its impossible. The same mirage that you can see with your own eyes on the so called "left" exists also on the so called "right". Without the state there is no right or left. It is time you admit it, your an anarchist, we all have to admit it at one point

 

[NoDrama]

If you want to be smart, all you have to do is claim to be a Liberal.

 

[abandonconflict]

They are biased measures because they are directly correlated to the amount of attention one can focus on education. A vocabulary test? Really?

I grew up very poor. I paid for college with my GI bill, my education was paid for with my indoctrination into conservatism. I'm smart enough to be liberal anyway.