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nuglets

nuglets

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Brother Numsi said:
Yeah, my bad. The 400w MH take magnetic ballasts...the 1,000w MH are OK with electronic ballasts...I'm learning. Yes it's would be the dual/dimmable Lumatek. The digital day/night thermostat is cool!
I don't see any intake fans on my list, just exhaust. Is that correct?
Thanks.
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you are going to have to bring cool air into the rooms somehow. you aren't running an a/c in there so you will need cool air. with that much wattage passive intakes might not work; actually probably won't work. a lot depends on how hool the air is in the house that you are bringing in. you might end up needing a portable a/c for flower at least. hard to say without actually knowing the environment the rooms are in. i would count on 2 intake fans hooked up to those thermostat controllers. one for each room. hang the probe from the thermostat controller on the tops of your plants and plug the fans into them. they will turn the intake fans on when the room gets too hot. let the exhaust fans run 24/7 or put them on timers if you want. i would just let them run. for intake and exhaust fans 4" cheap fans are fine.
 
nuglets

nuglets

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Brother Numsi said:
Nug,
That looks like another $500-600 plus connections and electricity......
http://www.bing.com/search?q=self-contained+portable+air+conditioner&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=self-contained+portable+air+conditioner&sc=1-39&sp=-1&sk=

I think I'm pushing $3K for the two rooms......if all went well I'd recoup after the third harvest sells...if all goes well.
I see the "original" Brother Numsi is on Game of thrones LOL.
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yeah, it sucks. but unless you are in a very cold environment i don't see how you are going to cool those rooms without at least some sort of intake system. you sill might need an a/c anyway.
 
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Bsw9090

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nuglets said:
to cover the 4 aeroponic systems you should get 2 600w lights or 2 1000w lights. 600w lights would be fine, 1000w lights would be optimal.
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Like I said money is tight, but do you think I could get away with 2 400w hps/mh conversion lights? or 1 600 w potentially? I would think that the 400's would be more optimal (in the money situation). I most definitely do plan on having 1000w's in the end...

nuglets said:
128 clones is a ton. i can fit about 30 comfortably in one 10x20 cut tray. so 4 trays would be 20x40 which is an 8 lamp T5. mix the spectum up on the bulbs too. 5 grow and 3 bloom bulbs. or 6 and 2. more balanced spectrum.
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What sort of 10x20 trays are you talking about? ebb & flow? Are you growing to fully grown and harvesting from the 10x20? Or just having it setup to grow the clones initially? I ask this because if I can end up having more setups in a smaller area, it would produce more.. How big of rock wool cubes would you suggest? 1.5x1.5 or 2x2?

nuglets said:
if you are just taking cuttings every 2 months or a perpetual with 64 a month you are gonna need 6 moms in my opinion. you could probably get away with 4 but that would be a lot of stress on them and you might now be getting the best cuttings after about 20-25. 6 moms at 2x2 for each one is a 6x4 space to cover. you could do it much more efficiently with MH lights. 2 400w MH lights would be idea. if power and money are an issue then you are gonna need 3 8 lamp T5 setups or 2 12 lamp setups. Quantum makes a 12 lamp setup.
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What did you mean by "you might now be getting the best cuttings after about 20-25"? Do you think you could make up like a general layout of what you think I should start with and possibly a beginning shopping list? I am getting ready to order some seeds in a few days, I'm thinking of a few strains from Nirvana.. AK-48, Northern Lights, White Widow, or Master Kush.. If you have any suggestions on strains to try out, please let me know, I'm trying to narrow it down to 2 high yielding strains that I can have that take around 6-8 weeks flowering period... Also, if its worth noting, we don't have any "brand name" strains around here, so I am definitely open to suggestions.. The seeds I just want fem, and it has to be around $40-50 per pack.

I definitely plan on having a perpetual grow, I just have to get this first grow completed to be able to reinvest back into the grow and trying to start out with putting as little into it as possible, but it is definitely one where I do have lee way for finances, I just want to not use up everything and looking for a ball park figure of how much it would cost to include a mother, clone, and flowering room, so if you could let me know about what I am looking at that'd be awesome. Also for the aeroponic setup by DrGreenFinger that I am looking mostly at, its around $400 for 4 setups (without lights), so if you know of any other setups I could make that still have around/more for cheaper and still efficient, please let me know, I do not do soil though... Also I did find some lights on amazon I believe that were around $165 for some 400w conversion mh/hps so I may be leaning more that way for the lights, but how much would the lights run up the bill say for... 2 400w and a 8 bulb t5?

What all should be on my initial list to purchase before I even start to germinate the seeds?

I know lights, the system, timer(s), nutes, ph meter, rock wool, net pots, clay pellets, rooting compound... I do plan on having a fan and ducting for the hoods, but do you think that I could get away without for the first grow?

What your stance on mylar and/or panda plastic? Do you think its needed or just a "perk"?

I know that theres a lot of questions in here, if I have more, I'll just post after you let me know the answers to the above questions..
 
nuglets

nuglets

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Bsw9090 said:
Like I said money is tight, but do you think I could get away with 2 400w hps/mh conversion lights? or 1 600 w potentially? I would think that the 400's would be more optimal (in the money situation). I most definitely do plan on having 1000w's in the end...

What sort of 10x20 trays are you talking about? ebb & flow? Are you growing to fully grown and harvesting from the 10x20? Or just having it setup to grow the clones initially? I ask this because if I can end up having more setups in a smaller area, it would produce more.. How big of rock wool cubes would you suggest? 1.5x1.5 or 2x2?

What did you mean by "you might now be getting the best cuttings after about 20-25"? Do you think you could make up like a general layout of what you think I should start with and possibly a beginning shopping list? I am getting ready to order some seeds in a few days, I'm thinking of a few strains from Nirvana.. AK-48, Northern Lights, White Widow, or Master Kush.. If you have any suggestions on strains to try out, please let me know, I'm trying to narrow it down to 2 high yielding strains that I can have that take around 6-8 weeks flowering period...

I definitely plan on having a perpetual grow, I just have to get this first grow completed to be able to reinvest back into the grow and trying to start out with putting as little into it as possible, but it is definitely one where I do have lee way for finances, I just want to not use up everything and looking for a ball park figure of how much it would cost to include a mother, clone, and flowering room, so if you could let me know about what I am looking at that'd be awesome. Also for the aeroponic setup by DrGreenFinger that I am looking mostly at, its around $400 for 4 setups, so if you know of any other setups I could make that still have around/more for cheaper and still efficient, please let me know, I do not do soil though...
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if money is tight but you can get a 240v outlet into the room then look at the Lumatek Dual 600w ballast. 1 ballasts controls 2 bulbs for the price of 1.5 ballasts. definitely worth it if you can get a 240v line in the room. here's a link. (http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/lumatek-600w-240v-dimmable-dual-electronic-ballasts-p-2109.html). the other option would be a T5 lighting system. since this is for your clones that would be just fine. Quantum makes 4-16 lamps setups. their 16 lamp setup would be perfect for a 4x4 area. this is the route i would go if i were you since money seems to be an option. you can pick one up for about $340 and that includes the bulbs.

they are called "cut trays" or "propogation trays." something like these (http://www.greners.com/i/seed-starting-and-cloning/cut-trays/cut-tray-10-x-20.html). get the ones without holes. then you get a 7" humidity dome (http://www.greners.com/i/seed-starting-and-cloning/humidity-domes/mondi-7-mini-greenhouse.html) for each tray; a heat mat (http://www.greners.com/i/seed-starting-and-cloning/heat-mats/super-sprouter-seedling-heat-mat-2-tray.html) and a heat mat controller (http://www.greners.com/i/seed-starting-and-cloning/heat-mats/electronic-temperature-controller-for-heat-mat.html) for each heat mat. that heat mat will do 2 trays so you will only need 2 of them. there are others that do 1 tray so you would need 4. basically those are just for 1 week as you root your clone. as soon as they are rooted then you put them in the aeroponic system.

20-25 clones is a lot to take off 1 plant every month. you might end up having to take some really small cuttings that may not root. that's why i think you will need 6 mothers. that way you can take clones off 3 moms every month and then give them 2 months to recover as you take clones off the other 3 the next month. or take cuttings off 2 moms every 2 weeks. not sure how you are setting up this perpetual.

are you vegging and flowering in the aeroponic system?
 
Brother Numsi

Brother Numsi

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Brother Numsi

Brother Numsi

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nuglets said:
yeah, it sucks. but unless you are in a very cold environment i don't see how you are going to cool those rooms without at least some sort of intake system. you sill might need an a/c anyway.
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Nug,
Money issue has resolved itself:) Can do pretty much what is needed. One friend has an LG portable A/C that may be drawing air from the attic, although that wouldn't make sense...maybe venting something there.....do you know of any that don't need to have the water emptied or is that a condition we have to live with? + repped
 
nuglets

nuglets

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Brother Numsi said:
Nug,
Money issue has resolved itself:) Can do pretty much what is needed. One friend has an LG portable A/C that may be drawing air from the attic, although that wouldn't make sense...maybe venting something there.....do you know of any that don't need to have the water emptied or is that a condition we have to live with? + repped
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glad to hear things are looking up brother. what you want is a portable a/c with an evaporative coil. they sell them online everywhere. most of the newer models feature this. if the a/c is going to be in the grow room then get a dual hose model. if it's going to be in the main room and then you are using fans to pull that air into each room then a single hose is fine. exhaust into the attic. if it's in the grow room then pull the air from the outside room.
 
Brother Numsi

Brother Numsi

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nuglets said:
glad to hear things are looking up brother. what you want is a portable a/c with an evaporative coil. they sell them online everywhere. most of the newer models feature this. if the a/c is going to be in the grow room then get a dual hose model. if it's going to be in the main room and then you are using fans to pull that air into each room then a single hose is fine. exhaust into the attic. if it's in the grow room then pull the air from the outside room.
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I understand what you are saying...not sure how to pull the air from the bedroom without going thru a wall. Again this is a bedroom over a garage with two similar very large unfinished areas off each side. As the Japanese use to tell me, "We will have to study". LOL
Am looking forward to a trip to OH 17th-27th...road trip!. Have completed arrangements to stay with people so that freed up a lot of motel money :)

I don't see any way of putting the unit in the bedroom and drawing enough cool air under a closed door....can probably leave it open.

This one looks pretty good, but I do not see where it is dual hose:
http://www.homedepot.com/Appliances-Heating-Cooling-Air-Quality-Air-Conditioners-Portable-Air-Conditioners/Whynter/LG-Electronics/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbv64Z6r2Z21j/R-202562962/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051
 
nuglets

nuglets

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Brother Numsi said:
I understand what you are saying...not sure how to pull the air from the bedroom without going thru a wall. Again this is a bedroom over a garage with two similar very large unfinished areas off each side. As the Japanese use to tell me, "We will have to study". LOL
Am looking forward to a trip to OH 17th-27th...road trip!. Have completed arrangements to stay with people so that freed up a lot of motel money :)

I don't see any way of putting the unit in the bedroom and drawing enough cool air under a closed door....can probably leave it open.

This one looks pretty good, but I do not see where it is dual hose:
http://www.homedepot.com/Appliances-Heating-Cooling-Air-Quality-Air-Conditioners-Portable-Air-Conditioners/Whynter/LG-Electronics/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbv64Z6r2Z21j/R-202562962/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051
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can't you just put a fan in the wall on a thermostat controller? cut a hole in the wall and mount the inline fan with a flange. that way you can use 1 a/c to cool both rooms. maybe i'm not understanding though.

for a/c units just go to amazon and type in "dual hose portable a/c" here's one (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0060LZ7JC/ref=asc_df_B0060LZ7JC2001333?smid=A2RD94HAYE44NQ&tag=nextagusmp0355813-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B0060LZ7JC)
 
Brother Numsi

Brother Numsi

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nuglets said:
can't you just put a fan in the wall on a thermostat controller? cut a hole in the wall and mount the inline fan with a flange. that way you can use 1 a/c to cool both rooms. maybe i'm not understanding though.

for a/c units just go to amazon and type in "dual hose portable a/c" here's one (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0060LZ7JC/ref=asc_df_B0060LZ7JC2001333?smid=A2RD94HAYE44NQ&tag=nextagusmp0355813-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B0060LZ7JC)
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Nug,
Yeah I looked at that one and the 12,000 before...certainly in the running. Not concerned with the noise critiques, just the water condensation removal. Thanks.
Now there are a couple problems I cannot control:
1. I would be using a friend's house and I don't know how amenable he'll be to cutting a hole in the wall.
2. The two rooms are at least 15 feet apart with a bedroom in betwen them, so no way to cool both rooms that way.

I'll have to see what he thinks. I wish I could do it in my house, but I can't :( I have two friends that fit the profile needed...one of whom is not as reliable as I need and the other is understandably reluctant. I'm hoping the love of money wins out LOL.

OK, so recapping, we have a list of lighting needed for two rooms, fans needed, an A/C unit known to be needed...working on installation, movable walls LOL, so can we move onto soil, what else to put into pots, transplanting, and topping?
Thanks!!
 
graab187

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I need help with my closet grow set up. I have a 4' x 4' x 8' area in my closet. I need help with ventilation and keeping my temps down.
I have a 400 watt hps and a t5 for the grow. the T5's wont be a problem but when i switch to flower, heat will be a big problem.
Ideas on ducting and exhaust and how to keep my light pollution down in the room. I have black-out material but i feel like when its down it traps all of the hot air in there. I have an intake fan blowing cool air from my room into the closet but no exhaust. I just keep the material off of the wall during the day so it has proper airflow.

I need some good links that anyone has found that has the perfect closet grow layout. I need the actual layout!!

Any input would be awesome.


-G.Raab-
 
Brother Numsi

Brother Numsi

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I think the pros will need more to go on here:
1. House, apt, ...what is above and behind your closet?
2. Even if you had a tent the exhaust has to go somewhere....any vent in the closet.

We have opposite problems...right now it looks like I have plenty of exhaust, but no intake.
Maybe can go in and out thru a wall and a door using good filtering?
Need a bit more info.
 
wheels619

wheels619

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my room is hot as hell with just one 4x4 with a 400 mh in it. its livable now in the low 80s. but as soon as i put the other 4x4 in here with the 1000hps in it im going to cut a big ass 8 inch hole in my ceiling to my attic. lol. to vent both tents. intake on the tents is going to be an 8 inch 735cfm fan branched off to feed both tents. im going to have a 400cfm 6 inch venting the hoods with filters on them for each tent eventually coming together in a dual 6 into 8 adapter. so does everyone think that it would be ok to have them setup this way? about 360cfms going into each tent and 400cfms exhausted into the attic?
 
nuglets

nuglets

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Brother Numsi said:
Nug,
Yeah I looked at that one and the 12,000 before...certainly in the running. Not concerned with the noise critiques, just the water condensation removal. Thanks.
Now there are a couple problems I cannot control:
1. I would be using a friend's house and I don't know how amenable he'll be to cutting a hole in the wall.
2. The two rooms are at least 15 feet apart with a bedroom in betwen them, so no way to cool both rooms that way.

I'll have to see what he thinks. I wish I could do it in my house, but I can't :( I have two friends that fit the profile needed...one of whom is not as reliable as I need and the other is understandably reluctant. I'm hoping the love of money wins out LOL.

OK, so recapping, we have a list of lighting needed for two rooms, fans needed, an A/C unit known to be needed...working on installation, movable walls LOL, so can we move onto soil, what else to put into pots, transplanting, and topping?
Thanks!!
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hey man, i was confused. i thought the 2 grow rooms were inside of a larger room sorry about that. yea, get a dual hose a/c for he flower room and let's rethink the 1000w in the veg room. this might create heat problems that you won't be able to handle without an a/c. it think you are back to T5's in the veg room. if not you need to find a way o cool the veg room as well.

soil...easy. sunshine #4 with 20% worm casting added in. plus a tablespoon of dolmite lime per gallon for pH control. sunshine is a soiless mix that has no nutes in it. the worm castings are for beneficial bacteria and fungi. easy medium to grow in and it's really cheap.

for pots i would go 1 gallon pots to 3 gallon to 7 gallon a week before flower. that simple.

topping? YES!! also LST. you are doing a long veg time and i would recommend both techniques to get really bushy plants. i'd also recommend growing in 4-5' tomato cages. you can get cheap ones on amazon. something like this (http://www.amazon.com/Glamos-710022-18-Inch-54-Inch-Green/dp/B004T82R2I/ref=sr_1_47?ie=UTF8&qid=1336446749&sr=8-47). these things are great for gorwing bushy plants and support in late bloom when the buds start to get heavy.
 
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