medicineman
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Yeah, it's either that or I'd have to take him seriously and entertain the possibility of tracking him down and killing him~LOL~.
A Nightmare for the Left ...
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Seamaiden
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I thought that personal attacks weren't allowed. What's up with this shit, mods/admins?
MM, there are some things that we agree on, and some things that we disagree on. But I don't see me or anyone else using your tactics. If you can't make an intelligent argument without attacking someone, then maybe you don't really have a good argument in the first place, eh? Also, where does your line of thinking allow for others to have the same freedom of speech and thought? Honestly, you are one of the most intolerant people I've seen on this site. To my view, you are like many other liberals I see on other sites who scream and shout and do a whole lot of footstomping, railing against conservatives for being uptight, for being intolerant, for not allowing others their freedoms, etcetera, yet you commit the exact same crime.
undertheice
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you'll get used to it. some folks just can't wrap their brains around the fact that politics is only another game we have little control over. they seem to be unable to understand that each move made by our elected officials is just another step on a long long road, they look at each move as an end product and blind themselves to the next step down the path we are taking. i'd be pissed off too if i took this all that seriously and couldn't see that it will all turn in a different direction on the next cycle.
medicineman
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Vihole and I have been at this love hate relationship for a couple a years. I actually met the guy and he seemed like a nice person. He ranks on me every bit as much as do I on him. The violence thingy is all Bark and no bite, I am basically a passifist, just like a rattlesnake, I only bite when stepped on or fucked with. To blame liberals for all the wrongs of society is insane. Liberals are all about people while conservatives are all about the Benjamins. I don't think I can change Vihole and he damn sure can't change me, so arguement is useless, I try and avoid him but when he posts some preposterous assertion, I have to take him to task. I can't allow the younguns on this site to be brainwashed by that neo-con with out offering an alternative. You must also see his defaming of my person. I mean he calls me an idiot and such. Hell, maybe I am an Idiot for trying to debate Neo-cons on a pot web site. You be the judge. I am gratefull to the Mods for allowing me to vent, thanks Mods.
Seamaiden
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Dang, so you've met, eh? Maybe the mods already know this and so allow what I perceive to be personal attacks. And that's one of my main beefs here, why is it allowed for some, but not others?
You paint with a mighty broad brush there, MM, might-ee broad. You're getting some of that paint all over yourself.
You paint with a mighty broad brush there, MM, might-ee broad. You're getting some of that paint all over yourself.
ZenMaster
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medicineman
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Never claimed to be perfect, in fact my ego is pretty tame compared to some on this site. I am all about common sense. I was raised on a farm in Washington state, have actually gotten cow poop between my toes, chicken shit also. I am the salt of the earth. I look at society in a comprehensive way, regarding all as should be equal. Isn't that proffered somewhere in our founding documents? The problem as I see it is the elites have taken control and are running a plutocracy. (Google Plutocracy) The rich don't want to share and the middle class and the poor are paying way too much in labor and Burden without reward.Dang, so you've met, eh? Maybe the mods already know this and so allow what I perceive to be personal attacks. And that's one of my main beefs here, why is it allowed for some, but not others?
You paint with a mighty broad brush there, MM, might-ee broad. You're getting some of that paint all over yourself.
Now if you have a solution outside of the old bullshit elite saying: they should work harder and they will succeed crap, I'd like to hear it.
ViRedd
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal ..."
Note that the term "created equal" is used and nothing was said about equal outcomes.
Why do folks on the uber-left try to twist the founding documents into meanings that have nothing to do with the original intent of the of the founders? Is it that they can't comprehend what they read, or is it that they are trying to further their socialist agenda by lying about what they read?
Vi
Note that the term "created equal" is used and nothing was said about equal outcomes.
Why do folks on the uber-left try to twist the founding documents into meanings that have nothing to do with the original intent of the of the founders? Is it that they can't comprehend what they read, or is it that they are trying to further their socialist agenda by lying about what they read?
Vi
medicineman
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Haven't read it, but I don't think giving poor folk in the ghettos food stamps and rent subsidies qualifies as equal opportunities, do you?Hey! Have you ever read or seen "Harrison Bergeron"? I think that is incredibly pertinent to the whole idea of allowing equality versus creating equality.
medicineman
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So, you equate giving food stamps and section 8 housing to growing up in a gated comunity with a Harvard education. I really don't think that comparison can be made. BTW how can you "allow" equality with the different upbringings of rich and poor?
Seamaiden
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Quote me, MM. Your reading comprehension scores were never too good, were they?
How about those people (such as my own father, my husband, my great-grandfathers and mothers) who grew up poor, got a scholarship, and (get THIS) EARNED their own money, huh? How about them? Doesn't matter? They're earning over $X so.. pony up?
Don't you grasp how that DEmotivates people?
Don't you grasp how that works to encourage true abuse of government-sponsored charity?
No, you don't, because that's not allowed within your personal paradigm. You've got a particular mindset that cannot be moved, you've got certain ideas that cannot be changed, there are no areas of gray in your world, you're set. For life. The only rich people who exist are those who were born into it, they're all Jewish (or maybe they wish they were?), and they owe YOU and everyone else "something" (in this case, clearly, their money).
I'm bettin' you're not real big on that whole personal responsibility concept, either, which would explain your stance further.
In your world people are don't have to live with their choices.
In your world the Haves will pay for the Have Nots, thusly making them Haves (then what??!!)
In your world only the rich (Jews) have to be responsible for anything, and they have to be responsible for supporting others, even those who CHOOSE to not work and not earn their own keep.
In your world actually DOING anything more than just sitting on your ass at a computer and voting maybe once a year is "too much hassle."
In MY world that's a good thing, because then my ACTIONS will so far outweigh your bitching as to render it only slightly less than amusing.
Your stance is clear, you think that anyone who earns a certain amount of money, often commensurate with their level of work, should then proceed to divvy up their money (read: hard work) among others who, for whatever reason, are not earning. Here we have but one family's example of people who grew up poor but made something of and for themselves and, because of that, they now have to shoulder the burden for everyone in an inequitable fashion.
Yeah, that makes a whole lotta sense, that's equality.
medicineman
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Dear seamaiden:
Wrong, wrong, wrong. I myself came from a poor backround, left home at 17. scratched out a living, went to JC on the GI bill and got a 2 year degree while supporting a wife and three kids by working 2 jobs and going to night school. I am not and never was the lazy asshole you portrayed me to be in the above post. My contention about rich and poor is: How fucking much is enough before you should have to share. I'd much rather see volunteer sharing, but that is never going to happen. There should be a tax on rich people to even the playing field. I don't have an exact plan, but if you are making 3-5 hundred K a year and above. I believe a huge tax on the above should be levied, used to lift up the poor, educate them and provide a level playing field. this is just my beliefs and doesn't represent my status in life at all. don't ever equate me with someone that used section 8 or food stamps. I worked for my supper and now I am retired after 50 fucking years of hard labor, well mostly hard labor, some gravy.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. I myself came from a poor backround, left home at 17. scratched out a living, went to JC on the GI bill and got a 2 year degree while supporting a wife and three kids by working 2 jobs and going to night school. I am not and never was the lazy asshole you portrayed me to be in the above post. My contention about rich and poor is: How fucking much is enough before you should have to share. I'd much rather see volunteer sharing, but that is never going to happen. There should be a tax on rich people to even the playing field. I don't have an exact plan, but if you are making 3-5 hundred K a year and above. I believe a huge tax on the above should be levied, used to lift up the poor, educate them and provide a level playing field. this is just my beliefs and doesn't represent my status in life at all. don't ever equate me with someone that used section 8 or food stamps. I worked for my supper and now I am retired after 50 fucking years of hard labor, well mostly hard labor, some gravy.
VTXDave
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Before Seamaiden and I got together I cared for 15 children who were from bad homes (mostly due to alcoholism and drug abuse). I never signed up as a foster parent nor did I ever ask for .01 from the parents of the children I cared for. After Seamaiden and I got together, we cared for an additional 4 children (we currently do not care for any). Why? Simply because something had to be done to show these children what it means to be in a family. You know...like sitting down for dinner together and discussing current events or ones' day. Stuff like that. We're not exceptional people as we believe we are no different than anyone else. It was just the "right" thing to do.
So it does happen. We teach by example.
medicineman
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Well, I say Kudos to both of you. I'm not going to go into what me and my wife do to help people, we do what we can. We are basically raising our two grandaughters, 6-7, thats a full time job, but we give to the community and do have some rental property that we let out at discount rates to some needy people and give to what charities we can afford. One of my tenants hasn't paid rent in 3 months as he cant find a job, he's a tile setter and construction hasa come to a screeching halt. I'm going to have to make a move here shortly if he doesn't come up with some money., I cant afford to pay the house payment without some help from rent. I have someone who needs the place and has some money. I wish I could be more charitable, but for me to lose that property because someone else is getting free rent just doesn't make sense.
ViRedd
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Did anyone catch Pope Benedict hold Mass at Yankee Stadium today? Beautiful!
For the record ... the Catholic Church is the largest donor of charity on the planet. The Church has the largest private education system on the planet as well.
Kinda blows your "private charity won't work" theory all to Hell, doesn't it Med?
Vi
For the record ... the Catholic Church is the largest donor of charity on the planet. The Church has the largest private education system on the planet as well.
Kinda blows your "private charity won't work" theory all to Hell, doesn't it Med?
Vi