My Grows just ain't working...

[Pharoah]

3.5 months of grow time to get 450 grams off one plant HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. So 1 month veg 2.5 months flowering will produce 450 grams per plant? Fuck your a master grower. You should grow for me.

Secondly you dont dictate grow methods to growers. Everyone does it different. They tell you the numbers. Some poor grower agrees to grow for you and he gets 100 grams off a plant or 200 or even 300 in that time frame and you will be like OH SHIT your selling off on the side because I didnt get my pound of bud from each plant every few months.

And there you go ignoring portions again... I was generous, and even did my math on 350g/plant, which is not unrealistic at all.

And you're right, the method does dictate the yield for sure, SCROG's or SOG's would require much more plants to produce said amount. I'm not arguing that.

I'm just going to stop replying to you in particular, because you have a very distorted view on reality... much more distorted than my own...

As for the comment of "oh shit blah blah" I personally don't give a rats ass, I'm trying to be as LEGAL as possible, without getting my pockets fuckin gouged by some wannabe cannabis entrepreneur looking to earn a actual living off someone on a fixed income.

 

[Pharoah]

I also feel like if you would try harder growing the meds yourself you will have a better appreciation for what we have to spend and do to keep things going nice...that is kinda the point...I mean when you were "trying" to do it yourself what lights and what not were you using...I mean it isn't that hard...you just stand back and let nature do it's thing really...add a little water there and a little ferts here..bada bing bada boom there ya go...as long as you pay for proper seeds or clones proper soil and proper lights then you are well on your way...

Believe me, I have an appreciation for what growers can do... the simple fact that I have tried, and failed, gives me more appreciation for it. My point is... if you going to be a DG, you don't do it with dollar bills in your eyes, you do it because you love doing it... any DG that does it for the dollars is nothing more than a drug dealer, who just has a legal way to sell.

I would LOVE to have someone show me the ropes... I'm a very hands on person, and the whole reason I failed was because money was extremely tight, had no nutes, plants died, had no more seeds.. picked up a wonderful infestation of mites buying clones from the local CC... basically, everything that can go wrong with a grow, essentially went wrong with my grow... right at the time my money ran completely dry...

It's not a matter of trying harder... it's a matter of resources available.

 

[maximum]

Well I wish I could argue with you more but I can't sit on my computer all day like you do pharoh. I have to spend the rest of the day working in my grow room. And its times like this where I rather stay on here but can't. And $5 a gram is too much for you. haha.

You went from being ok with $5 a gram and not wanting the grower to sell it off on the side. But when I told you to prove your not selling so its equal expectations you changed your story to $5/gram being too much. Which to me strongly sends red flags that your just trying to sell it off on the side. I guess going online and trying to find people to ripoff is your job.

Have fun playing on the internet today. I have to go WORK in my grow room. Part of my sacrifice, no social life or fun time. Big gardens are lots of work.

 

[Pharoah]

Well I wish I could argue with you more but I can't sit on my computer all day like you do pharoh. I have to spend the rest of the day working in my grow room. And its times like this where I rather stay on here but can't. And $5 a gram is too much for you. haha.

You went from being ok with $5 a gram and not wanting the grower to sell it off on the side. But when I told you to prove your not selling so its equal expectations you changed your story to $5/gram being too much. Which to me strongly sends red flags that your just trying to sell it off on the side. I guess going online and trying to find people to ripoff is your job.

Have fun playing on the internet today. I have to go WORK in my grow room. Part of my sacrifice, no social life or fun time. Big gardens are lots of work.

I never said I was ok with $5/g, I said I would be ok with a price agreed upon... This is again you putting words in my mouth

You laughing at my saying $5/g is too much sends red flags to me too bud

 

[PixiDustr]

And there you go ignoring portions again... I was generous, and even did my math on 350g/plant, which is not unrealistic at all.

And you're right, the method does dictate the yield for sure, SCROG's or SOG's would require much more plants to produce said amount. I'm not arguing that.

I'm just going to stop replying to you in particular, because you have a very distorted view on reality... much more distorted than my own...

As for the comment of "oh shit blah blah" I personally don't give a rats ass, I'm trying to be as LEGAL as possible, without getting my pockets fuckin gouged by some wannabe cannabis entrepreneur looking to earn a actual living off someone on a fixed income.

If it's soooo realistic...why can't/aren't you doing it for yourself...i mean it's sooo easy...to pull the maximum off a plant....you failed remember? It's sure easy for a LOSER to call growers on something they themselves have failed.

 

[kpmarine]

I'm saying it should be dependent on the size of the script, I'm not saying a price per gram structure is at it's core wrong, I'm saying that a $5/g no matter how much you need is wrong.
If someone only needs 5g/day, than $5/g isn't going to completely cripple them, whereas someone who has 8, 9, 10, or more, even @ $5/g, that will cripple them.

I do not buy weekly supply, or daily supply, I buy monthly, one shot.

I believe that if a DG is growing for someone, they should consider these factors, and not assume people are going to be willing to pay street prices for it... what would be the point of having someone grow for you, if you can just hop down the street and get it from some dude, who got it from some dude, who got it from some dude, who got it from some dude, who got it from some grower, for the exact same price.

I don't see why a DG feels they should earn the profits of what equates to 3-5 peoples profits on the street...

Let me put it this way, in terms of scenarios, they seem to work.


Scenario 1: Patient buys from the street @ $2600/lb. The person the patient buys from buy it from, profits $150. The person THEY buy from, earns $100-150. The person THEY buy it from, earns $150, we're now at $2150. The person THEY buy it from, earns $150, so now we're at $2000/lb, which is most likely what the grower got for it, and even he earned profit, so now lets figure that it cost's approximately $1400 to grow a single lb, and that's being generous, because it doesn't cost that much to grow.

Scenario 2: Patient has a DG that grows his for him, and charges essentially the same $2600/lb. This person is making making by himself, a MINIMUM profit of $600. So if we consider the actual cost to produce, NOW the Designated grower, who was supposed to make it easier for the patient, is now earning over $1000/month for something that is not covered under any health plan... this is ALL coming directly out of the patients pockets... and any DG who is ok with that, is worse than big pharma IMO.

I see your point, I think. It's a free market, and you're entitled to take your money/script elsewhere if you don't like a grower's deal. However, keep in mind, it is a growers market. He can find another patient with such a saturated market. So, you may have to take a deal you feel is less than optimal. However, I'm sure you could find someone to supply what you want in exchange for your plant count. That's what I'd focus on more. Seems the most agreeable option for all involved.

 

[Pharoah]

I see your point, I think. It's a free market, and you're entitled to take your money/script elsewhere if you don't like a grower's deal. However, keep in mind, it is a growers market. He can find another patient with such a saturated market. So, you may have to take a deal you feel is less than optimal. However, I'm sure you could find someone to supply what you want in exchange for your plant count. That's what I'd focus on more. Seems the most agreeable option for all involved.

And this is what I'm trying to avoid, tho is not looking like it's going to be much of an option, seems like everyone wants to trade scripts for plant counts.

This option wouldn't bother me so much if should the DG be caught selling off extra, and jailed as a result, I'm now out of meds and a DG, and have to start all over again. I'm not completely opposed to this option, I've stated my personal feelings on it, which many took the wrong way, but it's not exactly an unacceptable option. My only key factor to this is that I not be charged at all for my medicine... but again, I'm torn, because having the possibility of losing my DG due to their own illegal actions, doesn't sit well with me either.


Either way, this isn't for random growers to flame me on, or for me to flame random growers, this was intended to locate someone who wanted to grow... for the love of growing, who would accept what I could offer, not what they dictated.

So for the dictators currently scanning this thread, no reply is needed... if you're not willing to agree to my terms... move along, no need to post and start wars...

 

[jessica d]

If it's soooo realistic...why can't/aren't you doing it for yourself...i mean it's sooo easy...to pull the maximum off a plant....you failed remember? It's sure easy for a LOSER to call growers on something they themselves have failed.

He went from 0 to 350g fast lol Good meds rarely ever yield well but 350g a plant indoors wowy lol I prey no grower ever destroys good meds especially trimmed lbs "10-16hrs" of work. Give it away to someone in actual need. I do wish he could grow his own to respect the $$ work and intelligence involved

 

[Sir.Ganga]

He went from 0 to 350g fast lol Good meds rarely ever yield well but 350g a plant indoors wowy lol I prey no grower ever destroys good meds especially trimmed lbs "10-16hrs" of work. Give it away to someone in actual need. I do wish he could grow his own to respect the $$ work and intelligence involved

Well jess he does know. I have known him and have helped him for half a year now. He really seems to be in a spot. I know what he's talking about, we spoke on a number of occasions. Being a DG myself I explained how I go about charging my patients and why.


I run a non-profit room and only charge for upkeep and labour. If you want to break my payments down by the gram it would work out to under $1.50g. I have it set up so I produce x-g's a month and the costs are split between my patients. My meds are included in the costs so I benifet in a way.

My patients also realize that I can produce way more than they can ever need, I have a storage capacity that I keep filled at all times and they can request more but at this point I ask for a donation above the orignal cost.

I produce 4-5 times what we need and I do supply meds to others non-licensed patients but at the same cost. The rest is given to a illegal dispensery(there are no legal ones in Canada), 2, in Sask.

Even in my position of good intentions I can,becuse of my actions and beliefs fall victim leaving my patients out in the cold. Besides that even though I do not sell on the black market(in my mind) the dispenseries I give the meds too, do.

Sadly you can not get away from it unless you destroy it! Thats like killing people IMO.

 

[Pharoah]

Well jess he does know. I have known him and have helped him for half a year now. He really seems to be in a spot. I know what he's talking about, we spoke on a number of occasions. Being a DG myself I explained how I go about charging my patients and why.


I run a non-profit room and only charge for upkeep and labour. If you want to break my payments down by the gram it would work out to under $1.50g. I have it set up so I produce x-g's a month and the costs are split between my patients. My meds are included in the costs so I benifet in a way.

My patients also realize that I can produce way more than they can ever need, I have a storage capacity that I keep filled at all times and they can request more but at this point I ask for a donation above the orignal cost.

I produce 4-5 times what we need and I do supply meds to others non-licensed patients but at the same cost. The rest is given to a illegal dispensery(there are no legal ones in Canada), 2, in Sask.

Even in my position of good intentions I can,becuse of my actions and beliefs fall victim leaving my patients out in the cold. Besides that even though I do not sell on the black market(in my mind) the dispenseries I give the meds too, do.

Sadly you can not get away from it unless you destroy it! Thats like killing people IMO.

And this right here, is the kind of DG I'm looking for, someone who does it for the love of doing it, who is willing to accept what is available to offer, at that price, my monthly meds would be of no concern to me, as it wouldn't cripple me financially, and would even allow me to save up enough money to get the essentials I need to get and maintain a nice grow.

I get all the variables, it's simply a matter of resources... I've said that multiple times, and will say it again. Do I have some learning to do on the growing side of things? You fuckin bet I do. But don't even attempt to try to tell me the cost's associated with growing, as having been a street dealer in the past, I know the LEAST someone can pay per lb on the black market, and it's less than $5/g, so for a DG to justify $5/g IMO is ridiculous, and is nothing more than profiteering.


It's as simple as this, if your incapable of earning a 75-100% profit margin selling @ $3/g, then YOUR doing something wrong, and it doesn't take an experienced grower, or someone who's never grown at all, to know this.

 

[maximum]

If those are sir.gang's expenses buy from him.

You dont dictate % profit margins to people. Also without knowing peoples balance sheets you cant talk % of profits. Two people dont produce at the same rate. And its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT THE COST OF THE PRODUCER IS. Your not in a position to barter. You really are not. Its the growers and their product in demand. Market rates are set by supply and demand. You didnt get an offer for under $5 gram. If you can get it for $3 from sir.gang get it from him. End of story. At the end of the day its all talk. Everyone can talk. Fact is still the same. Its a sellers market not a buyers market. You cant change the value of things by complaining on the internet. You can make 10 page long posts on the internet all you want. In the mean time you could have been growing your own already and actually learning something. Your fighting the flow of the river man. Grow your own dont be lazy and see what it costs YOU compared to sir gang. Already different than his costs. And get your retarded 450 grams a plant out of your head. I get plants that only yield 70 grams under the same conditions as other plants that yeilded 300 grams. Its genetics. And its something your also ignorant about.

And consider this. People like you that mooch dope off a grower for very low dollar amounts because you make them feel guilty or whatever the fuck your trying to do is a bad thing. Commercial licenses could potentially cost lots of money like a alcohol license that alcohol breweries need to purchase. What the fuck happens if the price of a license is $100k+. Or just the new expenses associated with the new commercial setups. That would be a real bad fucken deal. And I hope it wont. But at this point all we know is that in a few years health canada will only allow commercial producers to grow marijuana legally. They have stated that the price of dope is going to go up as a result of this. So the people your buying for a couple bucks from wont really have enough saved up will they. Nope. The dudes charging $10 a gram and are saving properly are going to be moving on into this new age of commercial only production in canada. And growers that are breaking even or even barely making anything on their hard work are going to be left behind. Pharoah and other beggars will be buying from the commercial producer. Because the guys like sir.gang will be out of business and can't afford to move forward. (unless they want to risk doing it illegally in a country with mandatory minimum sentencing. not an option for people with families is it? yea just so you can get your 18 grams.)

I think this thread is just beaten to death with the one point clearly rising to the surface every page. GROW YOUR OWN. YOU CANT AFFORD TO BUY FROM A GROWER. If this was a buyers market and the price of dope was $.50/gram I would be complaining and you would be telling me to fuck off. (I actually wouldnt be complaining, I would deal with it)

I mean really what did you expect growers to jump on here and beat sir.gang prices by 5%. This isnt futureshop man. Your lucky to get it for $5/gram. Why? Because we can sell it for $20 and people WILL BUY it. So whats the point of settling with you?

 

[Pharoah]

I laugh at that, simply because any DG who is supplying 1 or 2 patients, even with descent monthly scripts and are charging $5-$10/gram are STILL not making enough money to "move forward" because NOBODY CAN EARN THAT KIND OF MONEY FROM ONLY 2 PEOPLE< WHO ARE LIKELY ON FIXED INCOMES!!!


The people who will "move forward" are compassion clubs, organized crime (Who have the REAL means and experience to launch such a large scale grow), and street sales will always be there. Currently, we have the minimum sentencing and it hasn't changed anything on the black market side of things... and even in 2014, it won't make much of a dent, because we STILL have to educate doctors to even sign the new form that's going to be used.

Come on man, your logic is out to lunch, sorry to say, you speak of genetics like I don't understand em... sorry bud, I most certainly do understand genetics, I even understand how to breed different strains, have I executed any of this? No, I havn't personally, but I've been in the company of many many people who are capable of producing large yields of very high quality medicine.

I'll agree with you that it is a sellers market, as there is much more demand than there is supply, but that's the only leg you have to stand on in this argument... But think about it for a second... what kind of human are you to take advantage of that fact?? KNOWING the people your taking advantage of are already being ass raped by life itself... What the fuck kind of human are you...

Those that charge their 1-2 patients $5-$10 a gram are looking to earn a short term living off them, unless they are also selling on the black market as well, in which case their looking to profit big before the MMAR program changes and they can no longer grow legally.


Bottom line, if your looking to be a profiteer, look for other patients, if your looking to be a DG, who just loves growing, then fine. There's no need to flame me, making outrageous accusations based on your twisted interpretation of what I said. If you don't like what I say, move the fuck along, quite simple... it ain't YOUR thread... I don't see your name as the one who started it...


Furthermore, should I gain the resources, and am able to learn the ropes in enough time to produce for others myself, I will do so, under the same conditions as sir.g, because I have (unlike many people in this medical section of the industry who claim to have, but VERY few actually do) compassion.

 

[Sir.Ganga]

max is correct in the fact that everyones costs will differ greatly. The scale you grow and supply dictates pricing for sure. Its not wrong IMO for a DG to profit for his work and the way to do that is the black market. Yes I could charge 7-12 bucks a gram and it would still sell but I choose not too, its a personal thing.

Karma's a bitch!

Don't get me wrong I profit on the backs of my patients too, I just do it in the light of day so everyone knows where my profit comes from. I earn my living on medibles mostly. Between the baked goods, capsules, and tinctures I make a pretty penny! Everyone in my circle knows about and is O.K. with it!

Most DG"s do it for the money to be made, thats how the system is set up and the DG's are doing nothing wrong, its a moral decision. I myself...because of my condition understand the other side of the coin and understand how hard life can actually be.

 

[jessica d]

All setups costs are alot different. I spend more on security then most. 500lbs of dogs and a big list. I am not willing to give away my life to skimp on security. The genetics "2K a yr",soil,lights,air purity,generators,electric,trimmers,4 wheeler,land"garage" I buy are expensive to help me.The 10hrs a day I spend working at producing medicine is served there i can't work. I have seen/done lots of setups and the ones that last and are successful consistently cost $$.

$5 clones get talk
$10 clones get me spider mites
$20 clones get me good medicine and it is worth it to me for there risk, expertise time and costs. I can't sit at a computer long but I can grow my own medicine if I spend the time,effort,$$$. I wish you the best at growing, keep trying. After 20yrs of doing it I know it costs alot especially for lawyers. I try to remember those DG mit have to open there home to the police and get it kicked down from thiefs...

 

[toxicity32]

Funniest thread on RIU.

I used to suffer from depression until i read what bullshit OP and maximum had to say.

 

[purklize]

Need vs. greed. Two different things.

When you're working for yourself, you don't call it "profit," you call it a wage. Calling it "profiteering" is absurdly implying similarity between someone struggling to achieve a middle class lifestyle for his family and someone making $60 million a year imploding the global economy.

The time a grower spends growing for very low wages for you could be spent at a paying job, putting food on the table for his family. So by being kind to you, he is hurting his family. Things aren't as simple as you see it.

 

[toxicity32]

Need vs. greed. Two different things.

When you're working for yourself, you don't call it "profit," you call it a wage. Calling it "profiteering" is absurdly implying similarity between someone struggling to achieve a middle class lifestyle for his family and someone making $60 million a year imploding the global economy.

The time a grower spends growing for very low wages for you could be spent at a paying job, putting food on the table for his family. So by being kind to you, he is hurting his family. Things aren't as simple as you see it.

5$ a gram is low wage? LOL

Ok, let's see.

"I'm an experienced grower and I have had a passion for botany all my life.
I grow cannabis for a living, I have 100 plants and sell my bud 5$ a gram.
I normally harvest around 20 Ounces per plant or 20 * 28 = 560 Grams.
I make about 100 Plants * 560 Grams * 5$ = 280,000$ a year."

Is this what you call low wage? I call it a fucking gold mine.

You can't make that much money with a "real" job unless daddy sent you to Harvard and paid your education with a suitcase full of cash.

Or, unless you have your own company which is basically what growing cannabis is.

 

[VILEPLUME]

Hi everyone, I live in edmonton, I've been trying to grow my own medicine for several months now, and am quite unsuccessful, I guess one could say my thumb is black, and instead of trying to spend the next two years (or until they yank my license away 2014) learning how to grow, I'm going to seek out an experienced grower.

I WILL NOT pay a per gram price, I will help with power/hydro bills. My daily limit is high, as is my plant count, and is the number one reason a per gram pricing scheme is not for me.

I would prefer it be someone who lives in or around edmonton, I don't want to sign someone I'm never going to meet, I am requesting a sample of YOUR GROWN product so I'm sure the quality of your medicine is up to my standards of quality and requirements.

My plant count is 88 (Room for you to play with genetics and such)

I also require access to medication almost immediately upon signing (I know there's that wait for HC to process, but I've spent the last 3 months attempting to grow, failed, and am now so broke, it's meds or rent... and I need both.)

If anyone is at all interested in this, drop me a message.

Too bad you wernt in Ontario, I would have helped you for free. Growing is fun.

 

[purklize]

$5/g is not much at all when you consider the setup costs, the equipment replacement and electric bills, the legal costs and possibility of time in prison, and all the work involved... give it a try if you really think it'll make you rich.

Over and over I hear people whine about the cost of bud. If it's so easy and profitable then all I have to say is stop bitching and do it yourself.

Pumping out 100lb/year (that's 1lb every 3-4 days) is not simply a matter of buying a bunch of equipment and planting some seeds and waiting. It would be a huge amount of work, more than a full time job - you'd have to hire help.

 

[Pharoah]

$5/g is not much at all when you consider the setup costs, the equipment replacement and electric bills, the legal costs and possibility of time in prison, and all the work involved... give it a try if you really think it'll make you rich.

Over and over I hear people whine about the cost of bud. If it's so easy and profitable then all I have to say is stop bitching and do it yourself.

Pumping out 100lb/year (that's 1lb every 3-4 days) is not simply a matter of buying a bunch of equipment and planting some seeds and waiting. It would be a huge amount of work, more than a full time job - you'd have to hire help.

MY single script, would earn someone $32,400 per year @ $5/g... explain to me how someone would NEED to work FULL TIME AND HAVE EMPLOYEES TO JUSTIFY $5/G, earning them my ENTIRE income, just to grow and maintain some 5-7 plants every 3-4 months... anyone willing to do that can plain and simple go fuck themselves.. and again, this isn't a debate on what it cost's, this was me looking for a DG, I don't give a shit what it cost's YOU... I care about what it cost's the person who's going to be growing mine... so really, because everyones methods are different, and some have dumb avoidable expenses, those that NEED to charge $5/g can keep growing their own.


People keep using ridiculous examples, and I've kept my examples realistic, to what I've seen to be capable.

If you can only get 1-2oz's of your plant, good for you, doesn't mean you need more lights to produce the same amount, just means you need more of that smaller plant under 1 light.

I understand that there's a goal for growing, and that goal is based on g/kw of light, if you can't get .5g/kw of light, not my fault, don't make me feel like a dick because YOU are an inefficient grower. I'm a consumer, not a grower, I have expectations AS a consumer and a fixed income patient that I expect to be met, if you don't want to meet my expectations, it's really simple, get the fuck out of this thread.

In addition, nobody need 100lbs/year, my 18g/day script will allow me 14.46lb's PER YEAR, that's nearly 10% of your estimate, so remove approximately 90% of all the expenses you just said, as if your growing more than just my 14.46lb's per year, that's no longer an expense of MINE and I shouldn't be charged for it...