If you don't or do believe in God.

[Zaehet Strife]

Over a long time, with a lot of study, and inner reflection, i have found out one very peculiar predicament. Why is it, that us humans... think that we can actually know what "god" wants, needs, desires, admires or disgusts? How the fuck do you know? Who the fuck are you to tell me what the fuck god wants, needs, desires, admires or disgusts? How can you EVER know? How?

You tell me you know... you are full of shit, nothing more, nothing less. You are merely telling me what YOU want, need, desire, admire or disgust. It's all a pile of bull shit.

Everyone trying to tell me what god is, who god is, its all fucking futile, idiotic, stupid, senseless and absurd.

Anyone who claims knowledge about god is crazy.... this includes YOU and me.

 

[Kaendar]

I agree there was someone named Yeshua that lived in Palestine around that time. In fact, I believe there were many men with that name. Any evidence beyond that is quite sketchy.

Jesus was mentioned in alot of the texts and written records from that time period. There are accounts of him all over the middle east an asia in a specific 30 or so year period.

 

[eye exaggerate]

^ josephus, I believe he was writing about Jesus very early on.

 

[Kaendar]

^ josephus, I believe he was writing about Jesus very early on.

Awesome example! If anybody was going to question my post I was going to give Josephus as my first example. He was like a journalist of their time, and yes he did write about Jesus and his miracles and the rumors about him spreading all around the middle east.

 

[mindphuk]

^ josephus, I believe he was writing about Jesus very early on.

Josephus' writings were at least 50-60 years after the supposed crucifixion. There is nothing in his accounts of the life of Jesus except that there were people that believed him to be Christ. Everything else is considered a likely forgery by experts. It is nothing more than if I were to report that Śri Sathya Sai Baba is an Hindu mystic that has many followers claiming he is a god. IOW, it is all third hand information, no extant writings including no accounts in the Roman records of such a person. Puzzling, considering how much trouble he supposedly caused and how much the Romans liked to record everything.

 

[cannabineer]

Not even Palestinian court records? Was it ruled Pilate Error? cn

 

[Kaendar]

Josephus' writings were at least 50-60 years after the supposed crucifixion. There is nothing in his accounts of the life of Jesus except that there were people that believed him to be Christ. Everything else is considered a likely forgery by experts. It is nothing more than if I were to report that Śri Sathya Sai Baba is an Hindu mystic that has many followers claiming he is a god. IOW, it is all third hand information, no extant writings including no accounts in the Roman records of such a person. Puzzling, considering how much trouble he supposedly caused and how much the Romans liked to record everything.

False. The Roman historian Tacitus mentioned christ a few times. Also, Julius Africanus discussed Jesus' crucifixion.

 

[eye exaggerate]

Not even Palestinian court records? Was it ruled Pilate Error? cn

...ouch

 

[Cut.Throat.]

The flying spaghetti monster came to you? Did he bless you with his noodly appendages?

Kaendar likes his noodly appendages.

 

[eye exaggerate]

Josephus' writings were at least 50-60 years after the supposed crucifixion. There is nothing in his accounts of the life of Jesus except that there were people that believed him to be Christ. Everything else is considered a likely forgery by experts. It is nothing more than if I were to report that Śri Sathya Sai Baba is an Hindu mystic that has many followers claiming he is a god. IOW, it is all third hand information, no extant writings including no accounts in the Roman records of such a person. Puzzling, considering how much trouble he supposedly caused and how much the Romans liked to record everything.

...you're right about it being after, I had read that it was somewhere around 60 years later. Yes, the accounts of the accounts of the accounts...and it's 2012. We're still talking about him. That alone is freakish. I wonder if another special interest group might have made sure that little to no records would be found?

 

[ctwalrus]

He came to me in a Human Body. African to be specific ...

yeah your going to have to be more specific
i dont just want to know what he looked like/what he was wearing
i want to know how you knew he was god
and what you were both doing? golf? coffee? just where did you meet him at?

 

[poind3xter]

God is an imaginary friend for adults.

 

[mindphuk]

False. The Roman historian Tacitus mentioned christ a few times. Also, Julius Africanus discussed Jesus' crucifixion.

I don't consider something written almost 80 years after an event to be a record of said event when no contemporary account exists. Considering we know how easily myth and legend can get interwoven into actual historical accounts and even complete fabrications are taken as fact by many people even today in the information age, I question anything that was recorded by someone that wasn't even born yet when Jesus was supposedly crucified.
Africanus was a Christian that lived over 200 years after the crucifixion. We have no original writings from him yet you want to claim his works as evidence? You might as well use Augustus to support your claim.

 

[mindphuk]

...you're right about it being after, I had read that it was somewhere around 60 years later. Yes, the accounts of the accounts of the accounts...and it's 2012. We're still talking about him. That alone is freakish. I wonder if another special interest group might have made sure that little to no records would be found?

That's the nature of legends. Even contemporary legends are becoming immortalized. Just go to snopes.com and see for yourself.

 

[Kaendar]

I don't consider something written almost 80 years after an event to be a record of said event when no contemporary account exists. Considering we know how easily myth and legend can get interwoven into actual historical accounts and even complete fabrications are taken as fact by many people even today in the information age, I question anything that was recorded by someone that wasn't even born yet when Jesus was supposedly crucified.
Africanus was a Christian that lived over 200 years after the crucifixion. We have no original writings from him yet you want to claim his works as evidence? You might as well use Augustus to support your claim.

So.. if I write something about the Civil War its not credible right? Since were like 150 years past it?

 

[mindphuk]

So.. if I write something about the Civil War its not credible right? Since were like 150 years past it?

If you did not use actual source material from that era, yes, I would question the accuracy.

 

[Kaendar]

If you did not use actual source material from that era, yes, I would question the accuracy.

So testimony from a veteran would be acceptable or??

 

[mindphuk]

So testimony from a veteran would be acceptable or??

Testimony is often the only thing we have. Yet if such testimony goes against the empirical evidence, the testimony is weighed less than the evidence considering the fallibility of human senses and recollection. For example, Julius Caesar's own writings are looked at with a degree of skepticism because we know he had a habit of self-aggrandizing and so we look to other sources, his friends, enemies, artifacts and battle ruins. We have nothing written by Jesus himself nor from ANYONE that actually knew or met him. yet even if he existed, we cannot conclude that he was anything but a man.
Keep in mind, I'm not claiming he never existed, just that the actual evidence is much more sparse than it is for others of his time period, such as Simon bar Kokhba

 

[Kaendar]

Testimony is often the only thing we have. Yet if such testimony goes against the empirical evidence, the testimony is weighed less than the evidence considering the fallibility of human senses and recollection. For example, Julius Caesar's own writings are looked at with a degree of skepticism because we know he had a habit of self-aggrandizing and so we look to other sources, his friends, enemies, artifacts and battle ruins. We have nothing written by Jesus himself nor from ANYONE that actually knew or met him. yet even if he existed, we cannot conclude that he was anything but a man.
Keep in mind, I'm not claiming he never existed, just that the actual evidence is much more sparse than it is for others of his time period, such as Simon bar Kokhba

There are writings about him from people that knew him.. did you forget about his disciples? They wrote a few books sharing their first hand accounts of him.

 

[mindphuk]

There are writings about him from people that knew him.. did you forget about his disciples? They wrote a few books sharing their first hand accounts of him.

Where are they? I have never heard of a book with first-hand account of his life and AFAIK, no authorship has been attributed to any of his Apostles.