New world order

[Hepheastus420]

Who said anything about there being no technology? lol Im looking forward to free/unlimited energy being made public as well.

You said there will be no leaders.. That leads to a crashed society. Crashed societies lead to food drought. Food drought leads to two men fighting for the last scrap of meat to feed THEIR family.

 

[MellowFarmer]

Assuming you're right (and I have my reservations), you could potentially have a point.

But then again, even if you were right, I don't think those incidences prove that the US government would be willing to plan and execute a massive terrorist attack against US citizens.

I'm asking if you find it plausible they had prior knowledge of it and did nothing to stop it?

 

[smok3h]

I'm asking if you find it plausible they had prior knowledge of it and did nothing to stop it?

Yes, I think that could be possible (unlikely, but nonetheless possible).

What I don't think is possible is that the US planned it. I guess that's what I assumed you meant. Sorry if that was the wrong assumption.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

Chief, I honestly hope we run into each other in 10 years!

Lol its a small world, you never know... And that Hopi prophecy was a great read, I might of got lost reading it though. Did the prophecy say that white men would come with either good or bad intentions then later a single white man will come and help the indians resurrect the spiritual way of life? Inca beliefs say something similar. They say after the great flood/disaster (Cant remember) a tall bearded white man walked across all the land and used his godly powers to construct massive buildings of stone, heal the sick and taught them writing and a more civilized way of living. Each culture has a different name for him but every story ended with him walking into the see with his two helpers.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

You said there will be no leaders.. That leads to a crashed society. Crashed societies lead to food drought. Food drought leads to two men fighting for the last scrap of meat to feed THEIR family.

I think you have a one track mind man lol Try looking up the Venus project... It seems like you think the world would be chaos if everyone isnt playing "Follow the leader"

 

[MellowFarmer]

Lol its a small world, you never know... And that Hopi prophecy was a great read, I might of got lost reading it though. Did the prophecy say that white men would come with either good or bad intentions then later a single white man will come and help the indians resurrect the spiritual way of life? Inca beliefs say something similar. They say after the great flood/disaster (Cant remember) a tall bearded white man walked across all the land and used his godly powers to construct massive buildings of stone, heal the sick and taught them writing and a more civilized way of living. Each culture has a different name for him but every story ended with him walking into the see with his two helpers.

http://5thworld.com/Paradigm/Postings/!Expectations/Hopi Prophecy.htm
I believe it said the white man would do either and to follow the elder's wisdom if he has lost his way? This is an easier read:
The Five Worlds
We Hopi believe that the human race has passed through three different worlds and life ways since the beginning. At the end of each prior world, human life has been purified or punished by the Great Spirit, or Massau, due mainly to corruption, greed and turning away from the Great Spirit's teachings. The last great destruction was the flood which destroyed all but a few faithful ones who asked and received a permission from the Great Spirit to live with Him in this new land. The Great Spirit said, "It is up to you, if you are willing to live my poor, humble and simple life way. It is hard but if you agree to live according to my teachings and instructions, if you never lose faith in the life I shall give you, you may come and live with me." The Hopi and all who were saved from the great flood made a sacred covenant with the Great Spirit at that time. We Hopi made an oath that we will never turn away from Him. For us the Creator's laws never change or break down.
We are now faced with great problems, not only here but throughout the land. Ancient cultures are being annihilated. Our people's lands are being taken from them, leaving them no place to call their own. Why is this happening? It is happening because many have given up or manipulated their original spiritual teachings. The way of life which the Great Spirit has given to all its people of the world, whatever your original instructions are not being honored. It is because of this great sickness-called greed, which infects every land and country that simple people are losing what they have kept for thousands of years.
Now we are at the very end of our trail. Many people no longer recognize the true path of the Great Spirit. They have, in fact, no respect for the Great Spirit or for our precious Mother Earth, who gives us all life.
We are instructed in our ancient prophecy that this would occur. We were told that someone would try to go up to the moon: that they would bring something back from the moon; and that after that, nature would show signs of losing its balance. Now we see that coming about. All over the world there are now many signs that nature is no longer in balance. Floods, drought, earthquakes, and great storms are occurring and causing much suffering. We do not want this to occur in our country and we pray to the Great Spirit to save us from such things. But there are now signs that this very same thing might happen very soon on our own land."
Hopi Prophecy
The Hopi prophecy talks of us having Four Worlds, with the Fifth World about to emerge from the ashes of the Fourth, the timing signified by Nine Signs:

1. The coming of white-skinned men, who take land that is not theirs and who strike their enemies with thunder (guns)
2. The coming of spinning wheels filled with voices (covered wagons)
3. A strange beast like a buffalo but with long horns that overruns the land in large numbers (cattle)
4. The land is crossed by snakes of iron (railroad tracks)
5. The land is crossed by a giant spider's web (power lines)
6. The land is crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun (mirages on asphalt and concrete roads)
7. The sea turns black, killing many living things (oil spills)
8. Many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come to the tribal nations to learn our ways and wisdom (hippies)
9. A dwelling-place in the heavens, above the Earth, falls with a great crash, appearing as a blue star (future demise of a space station?).

These are the signs of impending great destruction, or 'columns of smoke and fire such as the white man has made in the deserts (above-ground atomic testing). Following the destruction, 'there will be much to rebuild.' And very soon afterward, The Great Spirit (known as Pahana or Massau) will return, bringing with him the dawn of the Fifth World.
Hopi Prophecy Rock
The famous Hopi Prophecy Rock clearly depicts two paths:

1. A 'two-hearted path,' with three individuals upon it. A two-hearted person is one who thinks with his head rather than his heart. Modern man is out of balance because he lives in a left-brain dominated society, leading to imbalance and conflict, and ultimately to the destruction of those on it.
2. A 'one-hearted path,' or one that is in balance and harmony with the universe.

The Prophecy Rock shows a junction where the two-hearted people have a choice of choosing to start thinking with their hearts or continue to think with their heads only. If they choose the latter, it will lead to self-destruction, symbolized by the lightning strike from a cloud. If people chose to think with their hearts, they will return to the one-hearted path and their own survival.

The Rock shows three half-circles that represent three world-shakings, as the Source strives to remind us of how we are all related. The first shaking occurs when man tosses bugs into the air (airplanes, first used in World War I). The second world-shaking occurs when man uses the Hopi migration symbol in war (swastika adopted by Hitler in World War II). The third shaking will be recognized by a red cover or cloak, which could point to Communist China. Hopi prophecy also says that signs of the third shaking will be:

1. The trees die (acid rain or destruction of the rainforest).
2. Man builds a house in the sky (space stations).
3. Cold places become hot, and hot places will become cold (climate change).
4. Lands sink into the ocean, and lands will rise out of the sea.
5. The Blue Star Kachina appears.

Only by undergoing the Hopi process of Purification can we set foot on the Return Path to the One-hearted Path, and just hope that we haven't gone past that point. Purification involves a number of elements:
Repentance, or rethinking, of the Two-headed Way of Life. This involves commitment, deep knowing that we are all One, acceptance of personal power to create change, and following our inner guidance. It is good to do this in groups, because it reminds us that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Also, as individuals, we are so rooted in our Two-hearted ways that we need others to help point them out to us. Once we as a group have identified and committed to a One-hearted vision, we can begin to live it, first within the group, then increasingly in the outer Two-hearted world. Then like-minded groups may join together to form 'villages,' ready for when the Two-hearted Path collapses in ruins.

Sovereignty, or self-respect, and respect for the sovereignty of others. It is also about taking responsibility for our creations and good stewardship for whatever is in our sphere of influence. For example, the Fifth World view of the planet is as a partner to be nurtured rather than as a resource to be consumed and discarded. Also, wealth and abundance will not be hoarded by those whose lands produce it, but will be shared equitably. Finally, any decision about stewardship will never be short-term but will consider the impact on future generations.

Truthfulness. Confusion over 'what should be' versus 'what is' separates us from the realities of life. We look for quick fixes, Hollywood endings and the latest fads rather than 'walking the talk' and 'doing the work.' One group may import 'what works' from another group and impose it on themselves, but disharmony may result. This leads to strife, conflict, and even war. Other cultures become too complex and collapse under their own weight, thrusting the people into anarchy until new ways are found. This is the inevitable outcome of the Two-hearted Path, and we are seeing its effects now as fewer and fewer Americans believe that government is 'by the people, for the people.' Our lives float between hope and fear, unrooted in 'what is.' From the moment of our birth, we are indoctrinated into membership of our culture, with prison or asylum awaiting dissenters. We leave school, trained to become 'another brick in the wall,' mindlessly perpetuating the Two-hearted Path. The Hopi language has no equivalent of, "I'm busy," or, "I'm sorry." Busy-ness and apology are not part of the One-hearted Path; and will not carry us through the collapse of the Fourth World and emergence into the Fifth.
We've already established that a significant shift is underway in consciousness in accepting weather and climate conditions. It is no longer a question of, "Are there 'Earth changes'?"
The only questions are: "How, what, when and where?" In other words, "What is it going to look like?" and to that we have no answers

 

[MellowFarmer]

What I find extremely interesting is the recent findings of humans from so long ago it is a theory that the Earth's population was devastated by an Ice Age and a few survived to repopulate...

 

[Kaendar]

You're wasting time worrying. I'm trying to lift you up with some of the knowledge I have .

They haven't taken away our freedom. I can choose to follow allah today then I can follow jesus next week. I can talk back to the president. I can say what I believe is right without getting my head chopped off. Our freedom is more alive than ever.. Just think a couple of years back, it was "right" to own a slave and woman didn't have a "voice".

Help me out here, what is the patriot act? I know.. probably an extremely stupid question lol.

The entire post was exrtemely naive. Do you honestly think that we have freedom? If you do you need to open your eyes man.

 

[Hepheastus420]

I think you have a one track mind man lol Try looking up the Venus project... It seems like you think the world would be chaos if everyone isnt playing "Follow the leader"

Nobody has to follow the leader, but we have to have some sort of law.. right? Who upholds the law?

 

[Kaendar]

Sorry didn't realize I would be enlightening folks; just wasting time. I don't know where to start. They've accomplished it. How better to take away rights from freedom loving folks than Fear? After 911 we had a great derangement- everyone was angry and scared. We wanted to believe that this dumbass that might be fun to have a beer with could actually protect us so we believed everything and anything. They passed the Patriot Act with flying colors and no one voted against it except I think one. We started a war that made Cheney's cronies billions and billions because somehow Saddam caused 911 in our feeble minds. They control with FEAR... they got what is going on now - the 4th admendment, a joke now. Freedom of Speech? As long as you don't say anything they don't like. Freedom of the Press, that's been a joke and now I believe only 2 different entities own the mass media. Ever wonder why the rest of the world looks down on us?

Extremely well said. You hit it on the nose.

 

[Hepheastus420]

The entire post was exrtemely naive. Do you honestly think that we have freedom? If you do you need to open your eyes man.

Can I not follow any religion I want? Can I not petition without causing problems? I'm pretty sure I get to vote for whoever I want. Don't women get to vote now too? I thought slaves had freedom rights too.. Hmm guess I was mistaken.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I'm sure you see my point right?

 

[MellowFarmer]

[video=youtube;gaa9iw85tW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaa9iw85tW8&feature=colike[/video]And now...without further ado: GEORGE CARLIN!!! (*Applause*)

"Boy everyone in this country is running around yammering about their fucking rights. "I have a right, you have no right, we have a right."

Folks I hate to spoil your fun, but... there's no such thing as rights. They're imaginary. We made 'em up. Like the boogie man. Like Three Little Pigs, Pinocio, Mother Goose, shit like that. Rights are an idea. They're just imaginary. They're a cute idea. Cute. But that's all. Cute...and fictional. But if you think you do have rights, let me ask you this, "where do they come from?" People say, "They come from God. They're God given rights." Awww fuck, here we go again...here we go again.

The God excuse, the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument, "It came from God." Anything we can't describe must have come from God. Personally folks, I believe that if your rights came from God, he would've given you the right for some food every day, and he would've given you the right to a roof over your head. GOD would've been looking out for ya. You know that.

He wouldn't have been worried making sure you have a gun so you can get drunk on Sunday night and kill your girlfriend's parents.

But let's say it's true. Let's say that God gave us these rights. Why would he give us a certain number of rights?

The Bill of Rights of this country has 10 stipulations. OK...10 rights. And apparently God was doing sloppy work that week, because we've had to ammend the bill of rights an additional 17 times. So God forgot a couple of things, like...SLAVERY. Just fuckin' slipped his mind.

But let's say...let's say God gave us the original 10. He gave the british 13. The british Bill of Rights has 13 stipulations. The Germans have 29, the Belgians have 25, the Sweedish have only 6, and some people in the world have no rights at all. What kind of a fuckin' god damn god given deal is that!?...NO RIGHTS AT ALL!? Why would God give different people in different countries a different numbers of different rights? Boredom? Amusement? Bad arithmetic? Do we find out at long last after all this time that God is weak in math skills? Doesn't sound like divine planning to me. Sounds more like human planning . Sounds more like one group trying to control another group. In other words...business as usual in America.

Now, if you think you do have rights, I have one last assignment for ya. Next time you're at the computer get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, i want to type in, "Japanese-Americans 1942" and you'll find out all about your precious fucking rights. Alright. You know about it.

In 1942 there were 110,000 Japanese-American citizens, in good standing, law abiding people, who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That's all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers, no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had was...right this way! Into the internment camps.

Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most...their government took them away. and rights aren't rights if someone can take em away. They're priveledges. That's all we've ever had in this country is a bill of TEMPORARY priviledges; and if you read the news, even badly, you know the list get's shorter, and shorter, and shorter.

Yeup, sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize the government doesn't give a fuck about them. the government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. it simply doesn't give a fuck about you. It's interested in it's own power. That's the only thing...keeping it, and expanding wherever possible.

Personally when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true: either we have unlimited rights, or we have no rights at all."​

 

[Hepheastus420]

If you feel that America is trapping you and not letting you live your life, leave. It's like teenagers that complain about their parents mean strict rules.. Just leave and all will be well.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Rights don't come from god. They come from morals.

Lets pretend we are in the first stages of our evolution. There's a mother who just had a child. She spends enough time with the child that she begins to love the baby. Then one day, a big asshole comes and kidnaps the child because he thinks it's interesting. The mother is now sad.. The mother learned a moral which is to not steal another persons baby since it will make them sad. moral learned.

Rights are made the same way. We have to have a certain amount of freedom or else people would go ape shit. We'd cause chaos everywhere. People no it is right to do this and wrong to do that. So we make it a rule to not do that. But we have the right to do this.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Darn people back stabbing their government. Go move to africa.. You'll be begging for your rights back.. No offense to africa.

 

[MellowFarmer]

If you feel that America is trapping you and not letting you live your life, leave. It's like teenagers that complain about their parents mean strict rules.. Just leave and all will be well.

Thank you but while we live in the illusion of democracy I prefer to educate my fellow citizens and hope they will join me.

 

[MellowFarmer]

Rights don't come from god. They come from morals.

Lets pretend we are in the first stages of our evolution. There's a mother who just had a child. She spends enough time with the child that she begins to love the baby. Then one day, a big asshole comes and kidnaps the child because he thinks it's interesting. The mother is now sad.. The mother learned a moral which is to not steal another persons baby since it will make them sad. moral learned.

Rights are made the same way. We have to have a certain amount of freedom or else people would go ape shit. We'd cause chaos everywhere. People no it is right to do this and wrong to do that. So we make it a rule to not do that. But we have the right to do this.

wut? but different folks got themselves different morals. i.e. gay marriage

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Darn people back stabbing their government. Go move to africa.. You'll be begging for your rights back.. No offense to africa.

ah id have to say the exact opposite is true , our government makes decisions every day that screw over its citizens in th guise of control and regulations, id say there is a reason we have lost faith in a INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT that bickers over the most mundane and pointless bureaucratic issues

corporations having more rights as a citizen then the citizens themselves( Monsanto, Marlboro, Enron, the financial banking systems )so the government can line there fat pockets and control/guide their financial interest at the same time

government=corporations(some not even American ones)

we dont have a government we have a shady corporate round table

 

[MellowFarmer]

Darn people back stabbing their government. Go move to africa.. You'll be begging for your rights back.. No offense to africa.

At least in Africa they know they are being fucked but wait... just how blissful is ignorance? tell me please you are brimming in it!

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

http://5thworld.com/Paradigm/Postings/!Expectations/Hopi%20Prophecy.htm
I believe it said the white man would do either and to follow the elder's wisdom if he has lost his way? This is an easier read:
The Five Worlds
We Hopi believe that the human race has passed through three different worlds and life ways since the beginning. At the end of each prior world, human life has been purified or punished by the Great Spirit, or Massau, due mainly to corruption, greed and turning away from the Great Spirit's teachings. The last great destruction was the flood which destroyed all but a few faithful ones who asked and received a permission from the Great Spirit to live with Him in this new land. The Great Spirit said, "It is up to you, if you are willing to live my poor, humble and simple life way. It is hard but if you agree to live according to my teachings and instructions, if you never lose faith in the life I shall give you, you may come and live with me." The Hopi and all who were saved from the great flood made a sacred covenant with the Great Spirit at that time. We Hopi made an oath that we will never turn away from Him. For us the Creator's laws never change or break down.
We are now faced with great problems, not only here but throughout the land. Ancient cultures are being annihilated. Our people's lands are being taken from them, leaving them no place to call their own. Why is this happening? It is happening because many have given up or manipulated their original spiritual teachings. The way of life which the Great Spirit has given to all its people of the world, whatever your original instructions are not being honored. It is because of this great sickness-called greed, which infects every land and country that simple people are losing what they have kept for thousands of years.
Now we are at the very end of our trail. Many people no longer recognize the true path of the Great Spirit. They have, in fact, no respect for the Great Spirit or for our precious Mother Earth, who gives us all life.
We are instructed in our ancient prophecy that this would occur. We were told that someone would try to go up to the moon: that they would bring something back from the moon; and that after that, nature would show signs of losing its balance. Now we see that coming about. All over the world there are now many signs that nature is no longer in balance. Floods, drought, earthquakes, and great storms are occurring and causing much suffering. We do not want this to occur in our country and we pray to the Great Spirit to save us from such things. But there are now signs that this very same thing might happen very soon on our own land."
Hopi Prophecy
The Hopi prophecy talks of us having Four Worlds, with the Fifth World about to emerge from the ashes of the Fourth, the timing signified by Nine Signs:

1. The coming of white-skinned men, who take land that is not theirs and who strike their enemies with thunder (guns)
2. The coming of spinning wheels filled with voices (covered wagons)
3. A strange beast like a buffalo but with long horns that overruns the land in large numbers (cattle)
4. The land is crossed by snakes of iron (railroad tracks)
5. The land is crossed by a giant spider's web (power lines)
6. The land is crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun (mirages on asphalt and concrete roads)
7. The sea turns black, killing many living things (oil spills)
8. Many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come to the tribal nations to learn our ways and wisdom (hippies)
9. A dwelling-place in the heavens, above the Earth, falls with a great crash, appearing as a blue star (future demise of a space station?).

These are the signs of impending great destruction, or 'columns of smoke and fire such as the white man has made in the deserts (above-ground atomic testing). Following the destruction, 'there will be much to rebuild.' And very soon afterward, The Great Spirit (known as Pahana or Massau) will return, bringing with him the dawn of the Fifth World.
Hopi Prophecy Rock
The famous Hopi Prophecy Rock clearly depicts two paths:

1. A 'two-hearted path,' with three individuals upon it. A two-hearted person is one who thinks with his head rather than his heart. Modern man is out of balance because he lives in a left-brain dominated society, leading to imbalance and conflict, and ultimately to the destruction of those on it.
2. A 'one-hearted path,' or one that is in balance and harmony with the universe.

The Prophecy Rock shows a junction where the two-hearted people have a choice of choosing to start thinking with their hearts or continue to think with their heads only. If they choose the latter, it will lead to self-destruction, symbolized by the lightning strike from a cloud. If people chose to think with their hearts, they will return to the one-hearted path and their own survival.

The Rock shows three half-circles that represent three world-shakings, as the Source strives to remind us of how we are all related. The first shaking occurs when man tosses bugs into the air (airplanes, first used in World War I). The second world-shaking occurs when man uses the Hopi migration symbol in war (swastika adopted by Hitler in World War II). The third shaking will be recognized by a red cover or cloak, which could point to Communist China. Hopi prophecy also says that signs of the third shaking will be:

1. The trees die (acid rain or destruction of the rainforest).
2. Man builds a house in the sky (space stations).
3. Cold places become hot, and hot places will become cold (climate change).
4. Lands sink into the ocean, and lands will rise out of the sea.
5. The Blue Star Kachina appears.

Only by undergoing the Hopi process of Purification can we set foot on the Return Path to the One-hearted Path, and just hope that we haven't gone past that point. Purification involves a number of elements:
Repentance, or rethinking, of the Two-headed Way of Life. This involves commitment, deep knowing that we are all One, acceptance of personal power to create change, and following our inner guidance. It is good to do this in groups, because it reminds us that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Also, as individuals, we are so rooted in our Two-hearted ways that we need others to help point them out to us. Once we as a group have identified and committed to a One-hearted vision, we can begin to live it, first within the group, then increasingly in the outer Two-hearted world. Then like-minded groups may join together to form 'villages,' ready for when the Two-hearted Path collapses in ruins.

Sovereignty, or self-respect, and respect for the sovereignty of others. It is also about taking responsibility for our creations and good stewardship for whatever is in our sphere of influence. For example, the Fifth World view of the planet is as a partner to be nurtured rather than as a resource to be consumed and discarded. Also, wealth and abundance will not be hoarded by those whose lands produce it, but will be shared equitably. Finally, any decision about stewardship will never be short-term but will consider the impact on future generations.

Truthfulness. Confusion over 'what should be' versus 'what is' separates us from the realities of life. We look for quick fixes, Hollywood endings and the latest fads rather than 'walking the talk' and 'doing the work.' One group may import 'what works' from another group and impose it on themselves, but disharmony may result. This leads to strife, conflict, and even war. Other cultures become too complex and collapse under their own weight, thrusting the people into anarchy until new ways are found. This is the inevitable outcome of the Two-hearted Path, and we are seeing its effects now as fewer and fewer Americans believe that government is 'by the people, for the people.' Our lives float between hope and fear, unrooted in 'what is.' From the moment of our birth, we are indoctrinated into membership of our culture, with prison or asylum awaiting dissenters. We leave school, trained to become 'another brick in the wall,' mindlessly perpetuating the Two-hearted Path. The Hopi language has no equivalent of, "I'm busy," or, "I'm sorry." Busy-ness and apology are not part of the One-hearted Path; and will not carry us through the collapse of the Fourth World and emergence into the Fifth.
We've already established that a significant shift is underway in consciousness in accepting weather and climate conditions. It is no longer a question of, "Are there 'Earth changes'?"
The only questions are: "How, what, when and where?" In other words, "What is it going to look like?" and to that we have no answers

Man that shit is mind blowing! Those Hopi's know whats up. I have a spiritually gifted friend that can do things that cannot be rationally explained and he talks about the "End of the world" as the Third shaking of the Earth. I've had very symbolic dreams about the Third shaking of the Earth... I wish there were elders around here I could talk to about this stuff, but pretty much all of them turned to Christianity, very sad...