Vote Ron Paul 2012
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DSB65
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HeartlandHank
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There are many things I like about both Ron BPaul and Gary Johnson... the politicians... not necessarily the people.
The thing I do not like about Gary Johnson is the extent he goes to make spending cuts. Specifically, privatizing prisons. New Mexico did it, pre Bill Richards, check it out.
I have not found a statement from Paul saying he wants to further privatize prisons. But, with his "we don't have the money" stance, I am almost sure, he is for privatizing prisons further. Which is a fucking terrible thing. If it is a Federal, Public, State anything, most likely Paul and Johnson want to see it privatized.
Libertarian Platform highlights I have a problem with...
Public Services: Eliminate the Postal Service. Transfer all government services, from public schools to landfills, to private ownership.
Property Rights: Would restrict public domain to immediate public use, and sell or give away most public property to private owners.
Reproductive Rights: opposes all federal funding of most federal entitlements for women who choose to carry their pregnancies to term, including the child tax credit.
imo, good things...
Corporations: Eliminate all federal subsidies to private corporations, as well as all antitrust laws.
Criminal Justice: Would eliminate all antidrug laws and legalize prostitution. Would end random police roadblocks. Have heard this summarized as "if it does not harm any person or their property, it should not be illegal)
Free Speech: Would abolish the FCC and allow private ownership of broadcast frequencies. Opposes all restriction of free speech, including free speech restricted in the name of national security.
The Draft: Calls for the abolition of the Selective Service System and amnesty for any citizen who has ever resisted the draft.
LGBT Rights: Opposes "don't ask, don't tell." Believes that marriage is a private contract, and should yield no government benefits regardless of the gender of the partners.
Immigrants' Rights: Argues that borders should be open but surveilled--everyone who does not pose a threat to public health or national security should be allowed to enter the country legally. Would eliminate all federal benefits to undocumented immigrants.
This is just the libertarian platform. Not necessarily saying Paul or Johnson agree with these... but it's probably very close, if not dead on.
The thing I do not like about Gary Johnson is the extent he goes to make spending cuts. Specifically, privatizing prisons. New Mexico did it, pre Bill Richards, check it out.
I have not found a statement from Paul saying he wants to further privatize prisons. But, with his "we don't have the money" stance, I am almost sure, he is for privatizing prisons further. Which is a fucking terrible thing. If it is a Federal, Public, State anything, most likely Paul and Johnson want to see it privatized.
Libertarian Platform highlights I have a problem with...
Public Services: Eliminate the Postal Service. Transfer all government services, from public schools to landfills, to private ownership.
Property Rights: Would restrict public domain to immediate public use, and sell or give away most public property to private owners.
Reproductive Rights: opposes all federal funding of most federal entitlements for women who choose to carry their pregnancies to term, including the child tax credit.
imo, good things...
Corporations: Eliminate all federal subsidies to private corporations, as well as all antitrust laws.
Criminal Justice: Would eliminate all antidrug laws and legalize prostitution. Would end random police roadblocks. Have heard this summarized as "if it does not harm any person or their property, it should not be illegal)
Free Speech: Would abolish the FCC and allow private ownership of broadcast frequencies. Opposes all restriction of free speech, including free speech restricted in the name of national security.
The Draft: Calls for the abolition of the Selective Service System and amnesty for any citizen who has ever resisted the draft.
LGBT Rights: Opposes "don't ask, don't tell." Believes that marriage is a private contract, and should yield no government benefits regardless of the gender of the partners.
Immigrants' Rights: Argues that borders should be open but surveilled--everyone who does not pose a threat to public health or national security should be allowed to enter the country legally. Would eliminate all federal benefits to undocumented immigrants.
This is just the libertarian platform. Not necessarily saying Paul or Johnson agree with these... but it's probably very close, if not dead on.
Canna Sylvan
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We bomb nations which provide higher education with no loan debt and then call them oppressive regimes.
ChesusRice
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Name one please
HeartlandHank
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A list of countries bombed by the US, for Canna Sylvan to choose from.
| China 1945-46 Korea 1950-53 China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Belgian Congo 1964 Guatemala 1964 Dominican Republic 1965-66 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73 Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Lebanon 1982-84 Grenada 1983-84 Libya 1986 El Salvador 1981-92 Nicaragua 1981-90 Iran 1987-88 Libya 1989 Panama 1989-90 Iraq 1991 Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1992-94 Bosnia 1995 Iran 1998 Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia - Serbia 1999 Afghanistan 2001 Libya 2011 |
beardo
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Cuba and Libya
lifegoesonbrah
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Damnit Lahey, we bombed them because they weren't free enough. Like shit birds flocking in the shit winds, freedom is coming through shit bombs boy.
lifegoesonbrah
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are you some sort of neo-con liberal or something?
ChesusRice
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We never bombed cuba
and Libya only provided higher education for members of Ghaddafis tribe
Harrekin
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ChesusRice
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Never said that did I?
Please go back and re-read and see if you can find me saying we never bombed Libya
HeartlandHank
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Shitommunist
HeartlandHank
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We did 3 times, actually, Pinar Del Rio and Camaguey provinces.
HeartlandHank
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Gary Johnson does not have a history like Ron Paul does. Issues wise, I think you are right.
Also, Gary Johnson was an in and out politician, by choice. Not a career politician, like Paul.
ChesusRice
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You are correct sir
We also bomb Cuba daily as we have a ordinance range at GITMO
HeartlandHank
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Just to clear the air. I am not a libertarian. My last presidential vote went to Dennis Kucinich.
To be fair, with Libya, I guess we were assisting in a civil war, on the peoples side.
To be fair, with Libya, I guess we were assisting in a civil war, on the peoples side.