GrowLab 80 - G13 Pineapple Express ... [200w T5 veg / 400w HPS flower]

noob78

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Thanks Sr. Got to get good at doin this first before I want to make the jump to 1000w. I dunno but something to me says walk before you run with all of this and I would truly hate spending on waste especially if I'm wasting those beautiful lumens.

Sorry about the 400w mh question, very excited to see your girls grow tho. I hope that white widow comes through for ya too. I'm On a phone and didn't see the page updated in between glances at work.

Last question. What is your first choice on a good journal to check out.
And I'm leaning towards headband. One of my true all time favorites and I hear the yields are tremendous.
I have a headband grow going on now, about 9 days to go to chop and it seems to be a good yielder, for journals check out Sr.'s, if you want to see some waterfarms look up ottermunky's kandy kush, scottyballs, But sr. has very informative journals
 

chb444220

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yeaa i had forgotten about a few seeds in sum paper towels for a lil over a week. and open up the bag and saw green.... lol. well more like a yellowish green... and at the other end. saw a long fuzzy/hairy lookin root. opend it up and all 3 were growing into the paper towel. lol. hopin it works out for ya!!
 

ManOfSteel

Member
"I have a headband grow going on now, about 9 days to go to chop and it seems to be a good yielder, for journals check out Sr.'s, if you want to see some waterfarms look up ottermunky's kandy kush, scottyballs, But sr. has very informative journals"

Thanks man. Ya I'm subbed to yours right now. On pg 2 cause I'm. Reading 2 other journals right now as well. I also am going through the motions of rewiring my 19ftX19ft Space. Have. Dedicated wiring and breakers going in! So excited

As for Sr. Verde, in my noob hastiness I deleted my list and a couple hasty things I put down. Stil am just wiring my place so I figure that stuff can wait... for my journal perhaps!?!? I'm reading several journals now and its slow goin because of the curve but its going. Can't thank you enough. As far as the 400w goes, I think that is a really safe bet.I am leaning that direction. As far as build goes, I'm looking to go probably 5X5. I have the room so I want to use it and it will make the first tent I build reusable.
 

Sr. Verde

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Well just saying if you want a 4x4 canopy in a 5x5 space I'd go with a 1000w if not a 600w on a 3x3 or 3.5x3.5.

Light intensity really helps things move along..
 

ManOfSteel

Member
Well just saying if you want a 4x4 canopy in a 5x5 space I'd go with a 1000w if not a 600w on a 3x3 or 3.5x3.5.

Light intensity really helps things move along..
Thank you soo much. That is stuff I don't realize. I want a bigger tent cause I have space but I don't neeed a bigger tent. I'm gonn look into the specs of this run and try and duplicate its size. I'm not running bigger lights so no need for a bigger tent! Will be following your new thread soon. On page 35 of your headband now.
 

Sr. Verde

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Thank you soo much. That is stuff I don't realize. I want a bigger tent cause I have space but I don't neeed a bigger tent. I'm gonn look into the specs of this run and try and duplicate its size. I'm not running bigger lights so no need for a bigger tent! Will be following your new thread soon. On page 35 of your headband now.
Yeah you don't need a bigger tent, the larger the tent the less light intensity you will have. Because it's the same amount of lumens, spread over a larger floor. I mean if your doing more than a couple plants you'll want space to walk around them. If your only doing a couple you can cram in some plants and only have access from one side and have a fun time.

So I'd say go big or go normal. 3x3 with a 600w is going to be best bang for your buck likely. The added energy of 200w isn't that much on a powerbill, and it's more efficient than a 400w for lumens per watt. Yet it's still as easy to cool down like a 400w if you just have a few fans and what not.

Inline fans, tents and all that stuff will cost roughly the same whether your running 400w/600w/1000w. For instance my max fan ran me like $200 bucks for 330 cfm, but you can pick up like 900cfm 8 inch duct of the same brand and type for like $320. You could cool 2x 1000w bulbs with a 900cfm 8 inch pretty easy, and I'm cooling a 400w with the 330cfm on setting 2/3. If that gives you an idea. Bulbs are basically the same $ too. A 400w hortilux costs the same as a 250w, and 600w. Then nutrients are way way cheaper if you buy it in the bulk. I usually go through a container of the regular big bloom, and grow big in a single run with 2 plants. If I was running 4 under a 1000w I would get the big jugs and get like 40% off the price per oz for nutrients.

So overall, it's more cost efficient to go up to 600w/1000w if you have the space. It will cost only slightly more to run(electricity), yet will be cheaper if not the same price for initial purchases. Though it will also surely take more of your time to maintain 4 instead of 2.

If your just looking for some good smoke for a hobby like I am i'd suggest the 400w, but if your anything serious about producing a sizeable personal stash I'd go bigger than what I do. I think I calculated the costs and my 400w tent costs maybe $400 less than a 1000w tent with far better equipment with large 20 inch oscillating wall mounted fans. Consider that price difference to be about 2 ounces of buds anywhere, and consider your producing 400-800 grams every 3 months with a 1000w, it's worth it. A 400w hardly keeps up with my medication routine. But I'm a heavy (and safe) medicator.

Even if your just starting you can get a 400w setup tent (3x3) and then just use it for a veg tent if you decide to upgrade to a 1000w 5x5 tent (with a foot along the border around the 4x4 screen, it really helps access for tending the garden, being able to garden comfortably is important about this hobby.) It will just simply cost $$ to buy additional equipment, and buying equipment twice (ballast, inline fans, oscillating fans, bulbs, hose clamps, hood).


Hopefully you can use that info in your decision about your purchase. I honestly wish someone would have explained this stuff before. Electricity and shit, I wasn't used it it, and thought it was more fear mongering and expensive than it actually is. Just realize horticulture companies will just sell shit at high prices regardless of the output rating, just because they know not everyone has the secure space/permission to run high output/high efficiency equipment, so they buy the safe option of low output/low efficiency equipment that isn't as efficient and costs nearly the same.

By the way, have you set posts per page to 40 yet in the profile settings? Should make things easier to read.

I agree good journal
Thanks dude!

You never said how much you yielded? And have you run any other strains with the same setup for comparison?
I got 6 pint mason jars full of flowers, and 3 full of trim. :) Though they will surely shrink in the coming month. I've been smoking it too, so even if I do weigh it, it won't be accurate.
 

Sr. Verde

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Sorry, too much info for me :(. Wasn't a stellar weight or anything, somewhat average because the plants weren't big.

But if you know how much bud can fit in 6 pint mason jars you know how much i yielded .
 
Sounds like you made out good! Going to be staying lit for a while..... 6 jars? My guesstimate is about 1oz per pint jar so 6 oz.... 3oz per plant that's great! How dense would you say your buds are from being under a 400 compared to your last light 250 if I remember....
 

Pipe Dream

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Sounds like you made out good! Going to be staying lit for a while..... 6 jars? My guesstimate is about 1oz per pint jar so 6 oz.... 3oz per plant that's great! How dense would you say your buds are from being under a 400 compared to your last light 250 if I remember....
That is about right, but I know my PE was denser than most buds. Mine weighed 3 oz and filled 2 jars.
 

Sr. Verde

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Sounds like you made out good! Going to be staying lit for a while..... 6 jars? My guesstimate is about 1oz per pint jar so 6 oz.... 3oz per plant that's great! How dense would you say your buds are from being under a 400 compared to your last light 250 if I remember....
Might be a slight underestimate.. & The nugs are very dense, 2 jars are just full of 2.0-4.0g nuggets. Most jars are 1-2.25 from my estimates/experiences.
 

Sr. Verde

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1.4zips per jar average.. much as I'll say ;).

Now lets see what we can do with a 400w MH for veg, instead of 200w t5 for veg..
 
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