turns out they didn't build that

[UncleBuck]

so romney has this whole "you did build that" thing going based on a remark they take out of context in which the president noted that government does help businesses. romney's failures with his "you did build that" campaign have continued to showcase how government helps businesses beyond things like roads and infrastructure.


When Romney visited the Boston's historic black neighborhood of Roxbury last week, Romney touted an auto repair shop, declaring that "This is not the result of government...This is the result of people who take risks, who have dreams, who build for themselves and for their families." Except it turned out that the auto repair shop guy started out without any funds and was only able to build his business because of a bond issed by the local government.

Jack Gilchrist, the businessman featured in Romney's ad who received millions of dollars in government contracts and loans, simply rationalized it as getting "some of my tax money back."

Brian Maloney, the Roxbury businessman who started his auto repair shop with a government loan, told National Journal "We don't need any more of government's help. We haven't had any."


LOL!

it gets better, almost every single business romney has featured on his tour has received government assistance, save 1 or 2 out of dozens.

so much fail.

 

[hppy2balive]

Great article

But he does have multiple horses one on which is in the olympics valued over a 100grand. The govt officials such as Romney and many others remind me of massive cartels hiding money in any way they can. I'm sure he has money stashed but rather take a free ride on the govt dollar.

 

[deprave]

This really just illustrates just how fictional Romney and the Republicans "philosophy" is. I mean, its out in lala land. Further it just pisses the Republican's off even more at Democrats, they feel like government is running their lives even more, I guees it sort of shatter their dreamy world view set a float by the media propagandist in never never land. Thus, again, serves to dvide us into two peices as a nation. Exactly what those in power desire, Obomoney 2012, your friendly fasict, the tyrants that you can trust. Fuck them all. Thread is fucking stupid and pointless, 1 starred.

 

[canndo]

I typicaly watch FOX News during an election season. I get the majority of my in depth news from the internet and the LA Times, WAPO and CSM. (thanks Nook!).

this time I am switching back and forth from msnbc - obviously leftist and FOX, well..... its FOX.


The coverage of Romney is like it was two different trips. There were a few references to his gaffes on FOX but only by commentators who had absolute credentials, and even then, they were comparative. Krauthhammer was disgusted with Romney's dancing horse but he said the only thing worse was wind surfing.

Limbaugh said Romney "hit a home run". I have always claimed that the right was incapable of dealing with reality, and it is showing yet again. When they cannot deal with reality, they cannot adjust, and that is exactly what is happening here.

 

[deprave]

I haven't been watching the media propaganda, are they actually interviewing romney and stuff now, allowing him to say things of some substance? Holy hell it must be a disaster! just imagining it now.

 

[canndo]

I haven't been watching the media propaganda, are they actually interviewing romney and stuff now, allowing him to say things of some substance? Holy hell it must be a disaster! just imagining it now.

Romney is running against (some say running away from) the press. He gave Van sustrend an interview but answered a grand total of 3 questions during his european tour. A tour where he praised Polish health care (it is socialist), told the Israelies that the Palisitinians were poor because of their culture, told the Brits they weren't ready for the Olimpics (all he really did was voice an earlier FOX piece... that said the Brits weren't ready - it was fluff) and a small host of other things, none of which were truely offensive in and of themselves but all indicating that, in the opinion of some (myself included), Romney's pandering to his audience gets him into trouble. I think the Brits had a wild time with him, and their celebrating their health care system in the start of the Games was truely marvelous. Romney didn't comment.

Oh, and he praised Israel's state of of health and their health care as well, now, what kind of health care do you suppose Israel has?

 

[deprave]

Romney is running against (some say running away from) the press. He gave Van sustrend an interview but answered a grand total of 3 questions during his european tour. A tour where he praised Polish health care (it is socialist), told the Israelies that the Palisitinians were poor because of their culture, told the Brits they weren't ready for the Olimpics (all he really did was voice an earlier FOX piece... that said the Brits weren't ready - it was fluff) and a small host of other things, none of which were truely offensive in and of themselves but all indicating that, in the opinion of some (myself included), Romney's pandering to his audience gets him into trouble. I think the Brits had a wild time with him, and their celebrating their health care system in the start of the Games was truely marvelous. Romney didn't comment.

Oh, and he praised Israel's state of of health and their health care as well, now, what kind of health care do you suppose Israel has?

so just like Obama they aren't letting him actually say anything still..... clever girls....Just have them make vague generalizations and have us alll presume what they think...with their pre-written pandering speaches to religiousity and statism, just have the pundits hash it out in the corporate press...

Just watched the Romney Poland speech.....Feels like watching and Obama speach, like watching a robot preach statism, kiss everyones ass, and try to pretend like they are one of us. fucking GAG, cant believe I wasted 15 minutes of my life before I shut it off.

I need to do some commentation over these speaches and try to have some fun with it

 

[canndo]

so just like Obama they aren't letting him actually say anything still..... clever girls....Just have them make vague generalizations and have us alll presume what they think...with their pre-written pandering speaches to religiousity and statism, just have the pundits hash it out in the corporate press...

Just watched the Romney Poland speech.....Feels like watching and Obama speach, like watching a robot preach statism, kiss everyones ass, and try to pretend like they are one of us. fucking GAG, cant believe I wasted 15 minutes of my life before I shut it off.

I need to do some commentation over these speaches and try to have some fun with it

I heard Michael Corn (or is it David?) talk about a conversation he had with Romney some time ago. I don't recall the specifics but Corn asked Romney a question about something he had said MOMENTS before in some speech. Romney told Corn that He hadn't said what Corn quoted him as saying. As any rational person, Corn backed off, thinking that perhaps he was mistaken, perhaps he had read into Romeny's statement or misheard him. I remind you, Romney was certain that he had not made the statement Corn quoted him as saying.

When Corn got back to his office he pulled the clip and watched it. Corn was absolutely right. Corn is not unbiased but these stories seem to be mounting. Corn seems to believe that Romney must not be really invested in his speeches and that he doesn't really pay attention to their content.

Why would that be?

My thoughts are that he will repeat anything to be elected
That he thinks he is entitled to be president
That he is being told what to say - and when he strays he gets into trouble instantly, because he has no cogent approach, no ideology, no consideration of his statements.

Now if he is being told what to say in such a way that none of it is being internalized, and if he has changed his stance on a number of core issues, and if he seems only to say what someone seems to think his immediate audience wants to hear, why would anyone want him as president?


Why would anyone want him as president if he can voice no plan, says what people expect him to say, avoids reporters and believes he is entitled to the presidency?

I can only think of one group who would want a man like that - a group who believes that they can control him. Perhaps that same group that is contributing half a billion dollars to his campaign and/or other Pacs.

If I had a whole lot of money and could actually invest it in a president, I sure would love to buy someone who had no firm ideology. The ones that do might not be as good an investment.

 

[deprave]

I heard Michael Corn (or is it David?) talk about a conversation he had with Romney some time ago. I don't recall the specifics but Corn asked Romney a question about something he had said MOMENTS before in some speech. Romney told Corn that He hadn't said what Corn quoted him as saying. As any rational person, Corn backed off, thinking that perhaps he was mistaken, perhaps he had read into Romeny's statement or misheard him. I remind you, Romney was certain that he had not made the statement Corn quoted him as saying.

When Corn got back to his office he pulled the clip and watched it. Corn was absolutely right. Corn is not unbiased but these stories seem to be mounting. Corn seems to believe that Romney must not be really invested in his speeches and that he doesn't really pay attention to their content.

Why would that be?

My thoughts are that he will repeat anything to be elected
That he thinks he is entitled to be president
That he is being told what to say - and when he strays he gets into trouble instantly, because he has no cogent approach, no ideology, no consideration of his statements.

Now if he is being told what to say in such a way that none of it is being internalized, and if he has changed his stance on a number of core issues, and if he seems only to say what someone seems to think his immediate audience wants to hear, why would anyone want him as president?


Why would anyone want him as president if he can voice no plan, says what people expect him to say, avoids reporters and believes he is entitled to the presidency?

I can only think of one group who would want a man like that - a group who believes that they can control him. Perhaps that same group that is contributing half a billion dollars to his campaign and/or other Pacs.

If I had a whole lot of money and could actually invest it in a president, I sure would love to buy someone who had no firm ideology. The ones that do might not be as good an investment.

It the same exact thing with Obama, they are like twin robots. Actually some of the same PACS contribute to Obama that contribute to Romney. They are just reading from a script is very obvious, very elequently and proffesionaly written pandering toward Religiosity and Statism I might add. my complents to the chef?(programmer?)?

 

[Nice Ol Bud]

One Starred.

 

[ink the world]

5 starred

Just another example of how full of shit the man is.

His political strategy is laughable and his credibility is worse. He's a living parody of a POS politician. Say whatever it takes even if you contradict yourself the very next day.

Tell a bold faced absolute lie, get caught; then deny you ever said it.

 

[canndo]

the right, the GOP specificly have always had problems with technology. I worked for a number of local polticians and eventually for Clinton where I donated my time and equipment in order to have predictive dialing phone banks and a database from which to work from. Clinton had always had the electronic data base. When some of the local GOP guys got wind that "the Dems are using computers", I got hired by some of the GOP folk. They were using 3 x 5 cards and physical spread sheets. It hadn't occured to any of them that they could use modern technology.

Things really havn't changed. the GOP has yet to completely understand, even though they are using he web, that our culture now has perfect recall. No longer can anyone deny or dodge what they have previously said. For a century before they could refrain from the written word and be pretty safe but no longer.

Of course maybe it isn't that at all. Maybe the right has no comprehension of reality and believes that reality is manipulated by the last words to come out of their mouths. We see it in the spin, we hear it out of the radiocons microphones. If limbaugh says that Romney's visit was a home run, and it sounds plausable, then it must be true. Opinions from the right always trump fact and physical evidence after all.

 

[UncleBuck]

5 starred

Just another example of how full of shit the man is.

His political strategy is laughable and his credibility is worse. He's a living parody of a POS politician. Say whatever it takes even if you contradict yourself the very next day.

Tell a bold faced absolute lie, get caught; then deny you ever said it.

even though the whole "you didn't build that" hooplah is all based upon an out of context sound byte, romney is actualy making it more and more true in his attempts to say "you did build that".

he's having trouble finding any company that hasn't enjoyed help from the federal government far beyond the infrastructure and schools obama was referemcing when he said "you didn't build that".

and i mean, how shitty is romney's campaign that they can't vet the people they put in their commercials? that gilchrist guy from the OP was supposed to be this year's 'joe the plumber', but it turns out he built his business with millions and millions of dollars of help from the government. simple task, utterly failed.

the GOP is turning a cakewalk into an uphill struggle.

 

[londonfog]

For the fucking life of me I don't understand why the GOP put this man up ???? Is the best they could do was Romney. Dude this is just sad. "Hey guys lets put up the guy who lost to the guy who lost to the guy who won" ...ok sounds great

 

[ChesusRice]

For the fucking life of me I don't understand why the GOP put this man up ???? Is the best they could do was Romney. Dude this is just sad. "Hey guys lets put up the guy who lost to the guy who lost to the guy who won" ...ok sounds great

What makes you think the republicans wanted to win?
Winning means actually having to take responsibility
And they have been avoiding responsibility for the shape they got this country into now for 3 + years

 

[UncleBuck]

this could end up being like 1996, where the GOP ditches the presidency and focuses on the senate instead. might be a wiser move for them, actually.

 

[ChesusRice]

this could end up being like 1996, where the GOP ditches the presidency and focuses on the senate instead. might be a wiser move for them, actually.

That's where the big money is right now

 

[canndo]

What makes you think the republicans wanted to win?
Winning means actually having to take responsibility
And they have been avoiding responsibility for the shape they got this country into now for 3 + years

Good point, or it could be that republicans believe that this downturn is bottoming out and they want to be in a position to take credit for 1. Obama's stimulus when it begins to take hold and 2. the natural recovery that would have happened no matter who was president so long as they didn't fuck it up.

 

[londonfog]

this could end up being like 1996, where the GOP ditches the presidency and focuses on the senate instead. might be a wiser move for them, actually.

which will mean nothing gets done

 

[canndo]

this could end up being like 1996, where the GOP ditches the presidency and focuses on the senate instead. might be a wiser move for them, actually.

The way the house is churning, wacking women's rights, voting on nonesense they have no hope of passing and losing GOP moderates who say that they are marginalized if they are not towing the extremist line, it could happen. Tea Party candidates are getting tiresome for the general population.