First it's Ann's Dressage Horse, Now it's a Damn Shirt!

canndo

Well-Known Member
Nah, he's using massaged figures to make it bend his way, that myth was debunked the day the administration came up with it.

Plus he's claiming taxes are lower than when Obama took office, which we all know is rubbish.
Tax revenue is lower and of course it is when we have 8.2% unemployment!

Here are the simple irrefutable facts.
Facts About the U.S. Debt


  • Today the U.S. Debt = $15.5 trillion
  • When President Obama took office in 2009 the U.S. Debt = $9.986 trillion
  • When President Bush took office in 2001 the U.S. Debt = $5.629 trillion
  • The U.S. owes more money than any other nation in the history of the world
  • The U.S. debt is up 54% under President Obama in just over three years
  • By the end of President Obama’s first term the U.S. debt will have increased by a larger amount than under President Bush’s entire two-term presidency
  • Debt per citizen = $49,300
  • Debt per taxpayer = $136,000
  • Over 60% of all spending is on the “Big Four" - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and National Defense


We talked about the concept of 'debunked', without comparable figures you havn't 'debunked' anything and the word is quickly becoming politicospeak meaning 'we can't offer counter examples in kind so we are going to claim that it was all an error that we fixed for them but we won't bother to show you the fix. Rather than show the same figures you use over and over again that don't quite correlate to the comparisons chesus gave, how about showing us the debunked figures. I don't see anything about the deficit. The fact that the U.S. owes more money than any other country is meaningless. The percentage of debt over previous debt is meaningless as well. The debt per person has no bearing and the fact that it is in there tends to show that the stats themselves are selected more for their shock factor than for their merit as reasonable fact.

Finally, a portion of Social Security is paid for by the recipients, it can't count.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
she was attending an olympic reception, not going on TV to convince us how in touch she was.

and she was a lawyer. lawyers make a lot of money. they're not like ann romney who has never punched a clock a day in her life.
what is with you and clock punching?

one of my grandfathers never punched a clock all his life either, cuz farms aint got punchclocks. whats with the huge boner you got for clocks? ted kennedy never puched a clock, niether did john kerry, or diane feinstein, or apparently barrack hussein obama.

not a damned one of these pansies could have cut a fire line, plowed a feild or shoveled shit worth a damn, does this make them unqualified for office? does the fact that i have done shit that they would never condescend to doing, for a wage they would consider criminal, somehow make me qualified to run the country? anne romney isnt running for sit, she's the broad who cooks mitt's dinner (well she orders the servants to cook it) and occasionally lets him stick it through the hole in the sheet. she's not running for co-president shes running for Housekeeper in Chief. liking horse ballet being spendthrift with her old man's money and wearing a butt ugly silk shirt tat i wouldnt use to wipe down my truck's fenders doesnt make her out of touch, being a romney makes her out of touch. if i wanted somebody for president who could cook clean and balance a budget i would vote for my grandma. she wouldnt take the job though, too much bullshit.
 

beenthere

New Member
We talked about the concept of 'debunked', without comparable figures you havn't 'debunked' anything and the word is quickly becoming politicospeak meaning 'we can't offer counter examples in kind so we are going to claim that it was all an error that we fixed for them but we won't bother to show you the fix. Rather than show the same figures you use over and over again that don't quite correlate to the comparisons chesus gave, how about showing us the debunked figures. I don't see anything about the deficit. The fact that the U.S. owes more money than any other country is meaningless. The percentage of debt over previous debt is meaningless as well. The debt per person has no bearing and the fact that it is in there tends to show that the stats themselves are selected more for their shock factor than for their merit as reasonable fact.

Finally, a portion of Social Security is paid for by the recipients, it can't count.
Complete nonsense, anyone can find what our last budget deficit was along with the current debt.
Match them up to the day Obama took office and do the math!

Are you one of the conspiracy theorists that think that http://www.usdebtclock.org/ is rigged? LOL
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Complete nonsense, anyone can find what our last budget deficit was along with the current debt.
Match them up to the day Obama took office and do the math!

Are you one of the conspiracy theorists that think that http://www.usdebtclock.org/ is rigged? LOL
US debt Clock doesnt show where or when the debt occurred

The first 9 months of Obamas term was on a budget approved the year before
Much of the debt was actually putting the cost of Iraq on the books
Something Bush never did as it was funded with emerbency spending measures that dont count towards the deficit
A lot of the debt (majority) was fixed cost items that would of been there anyways
SHould obama just defunded the Military? Medicaid? USDA?
etc etc
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
she was attending an olympic reception, not going on TV to convince us how in touch she was.

and she was a lawyer. lawyers make a lot of money. they're not like ann romney who has never punched a clock a day in her life.
Amen, brother. Michelle's salary at her sinecure hospital job doubled after Barack was elected to the senate. Odd coincidence, that.
 

nontheist

Well-Known Member
Kinda like Michelle's $7,000 jacket.
I wasn't going to say it just yet, was going to let the bullshit build a bit first but now that the cats out of the bag... Michelle Obama has very expensive wardrobe habit. Nothing screams being "in touch" with Americans like wearing $540 sneakers to poverty event!

Oops!
First Lady Michelle Obama, who's become quite the fashion role model with her J.Crew wear and buff-arm-spotlighting sleeveless frocks, is under scrutiny for what she wore on her feet the other day.
They're trendy Lanvin sneakers. Which look really nice and comfy and all. Trouble is, they cost $540. If you can find a pair anywhere.
And, of course, if you've got $540, plus -- what? -- 9 or 10% tax in some places. Which seems like a lot for two shoes not guaranteed to benefit your jump shot.
The other trouble is that -- wait for it -- she wore them to a poverty event, a Capitol Area Food Bank for Feeding America to provide much appreciated help and publicity to benefit the food bank.

Diluna also notes about Mrs. Obama: "A week ago, she shoveled dirt at a tree planting while wearing the line's chiffon tank. Dresses and strappy pumps cost upward of $1,500, while tops go for $400 to $1,000." An online poll by the N.Y. Daily news finds 59% think the shoe choice was in poor taste for a poverty event.
 

beenthere

New Member
US debt Clock doesnt show where or when the debt occurred

The first 9 months of Obamas term was on a budget approved the year before
Much of the debt was actually putting the cost of Iraq on the books
Something Bush never did as it was funded with emerbency spending measures that dont count towards the deficit
A lot of the debt (majority) was fixed cost items that would of been there anyways
SHould obama just defunded the Military? Medicaid? USDA?
etc etc
The ownership of national debt from George Bush was counted the day he took office, but if you want a 9 month head start, I'm cool with that.

On September of 2009, a full nine months into Obama's term, the total debt (9/11/90) was $11,794,695,304,981.72 . As of today our total debt is just shy of $16trillion and we have still have 5 months to go, or perhaps over a year using your nine month short cut!

Anything else?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
By the end of President Obama’s first term the U.S. debt will have increased by a larger amount than under President Bush’s entire two-term presidency
gee, ya suppose that has anything to do with the $1.5 trillion annual structural deficit that the "fiscal conservative" left to obama, after inheriting a projected surplus? :lol:

unlike bush, obama has not stepped on the gas. he is trying to step on the brakes, but the spending momentum from shrub is hard to slow down, as larger objects are wont to be.
 

beenthere

New Member
unlike bush, obama has not stepped on the gas. he is trying to step on the brakes, but the spending momentum from shrub is hard to slow down, as larger objects are wont to be.
Yeah, like the Obamacare brake? You better get a hold of him and tell him he's stepping on the wrong fucking pedal! LOL
 

beenthere

New Member
ya mean, the act which cuts something like $400+ billion out of medicare? i thought you guys were all about that shit.
Nah, the one the CBO says will now cost $2.65 trillion, more than double the cost Obama claimed, they must have read the bill to see what's in it.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Nah, the one the CBO says will now cost $2.65 trillion, more than double the cost Obama claimed, they must have read the bill to see what's in it.
ya mean, the same CBO you guys wrote off as useless whenever they come up with numbers that say otherwise? :lol:

too easy.
 

beenthere

New Member
ya mean, the same CBO you guys wrote off as useless whenever they come up with numbers that say otherwise? :lol:

too easy.
The only derogatory thing about the CBO I've heard from conservatives is their left leaning bias, so you might have something here, I'll bet that new $2.65trillion number is a little low? LOL
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
The only derogatory thing about the CBO I've heard from conservatives is their left leaning bias, so you might have something here, I'll bet that new $2.65trillion number is a little low? LOL
totally missing the point of what the CBO does. they just plug in the numbers they're told to plug in. they're like a human calculator that takes the input they're given.

why don't you cite that number and we'll examine.
 

beenthere

New Member
totally missing the point of what the CBO does. they just plug in the numbers they're told to plug in. they're like a human calculator that takes the input they're given.

why don't you cite that number and we'll examine.
Ahh, so you are admitting the CBO is not bipartisan?
 
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