price changes since law past
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and the price will stay that way as long as you think they're OK...I don't and won't pay it...can't afford to pay it, to be more precise.
We have as good of conditions for outdoor as anywhere. How much do you think outdoor is to produce?
plantmagic
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Have you grown high grade indoor. It takes time and money, especially if you want any consistency or quality. then you need systems for veg, 2 for flower, and a cloning area; this method allows a harvest every 5 weeks. My Electricity last month was over $650 last month. Don't forget about all of the nutrient costs, new seed stock, media, security costs,and the RISK OF PRISON. Outdoor would be great but would require greenhouses in-order to ensure enough harvest per year to supply the dispensaries, and it would still require extensive cooling or heating depending on the location you choose. If prices were $50 an oz I would not grow and just buy it. For some reason people feel that this shit can be grown like corn, that cannot happen until the govt stops doing flyovers looking for fields. Until then either grow what you need and be happy, or shop around till you find a price you are comfortable paying. Nobody is forcing you to pay high prices, that is done by your own choosing.
Price points are where supply and demand meet. Because marijuana is a consumable good with a short consumption cycle the only way to lower your price point is to increase the perpetual supply or you could reduce the demand. The latter is highly unlikely given that the number of patients is steadily increasing at a steady rate. The only way you will get 50/oz is if you start growing it and supplying it at that price in very large quantities , probably has to be about 10% of the total market. And think about how much marijuana is consumed by the 30,000 plus patients , not to mention all the non patients who have been consumers for years.
Lucius Vorenus
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Buying on the street back in the 80s used to cost us $60-80z for basic mexican. For anyone in todays day and age to assume those prices should be the same for indoor, well grown cannabis, is just unrealistic and you should definitely grow your own.
Good luck with the Spider Mites. And powdery mildew. And nutrients. and not going on any vacations for awhile. and installing your RO system.
and your tents. and lights unless you have gotten those for free somewhere.
oh, that damned electric bill too.
Good luck with the Spider Mites. And powdery mildew. And nutrients. and not going on any vacations for awhile. and installing your RO system.
and your tents. and lights unless you have gotten those for free somewhere.
oh, that damned electric bill too.
Nothing is sold for what it costs to produce. That's how capitalist systems work. Margins increase the entire size of the industry by creating a percentage for more parties to produce and consume. Do you know what would happen if you sold your medical grade for 50 an ounce? Someone would come and buy it all from you and then go and sell it for 240.
Lucius Vorenus
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As long as you don't believe in compensating someone for their time, then you should be fine to find a Caregiver who can probably hook you up with donations in the $150 range. I don't know any personally.
1337hacker
Active Member
I've never had a complaint from a patient asking for 200 compensation per ounce, but those patients also realize I work , run a business and still find time to give them the best meds they can find. If I were charging what I charge for my hourly tutoring services for lets say, GRE or SAT tutoring, I would be charging 50 + an hour for my time growing cannabis, and I surely would be looking at a much higher donation rate. Luckily I see this as a hobby and don't clock my hours in the grow room 
IF it were easy, quality meds would be everywhere (There are 30k patients in this state and most of them have grow rights). Despite the overwhelming number of cultivators, I still only trust 3 or 4 growers which I have met in the entire state.
But yes, it grows freely and should be easily cultivated outside, this I can agree on. Our climate is also beneficial for a couple harvests a year, outdoors. But to do this you will need the proper outdoor spot, you can't just throw it up in any neighborhood with an HOA. (10 foot walls? lol my walls are so low here a 8 year old can see over)
I have one prescription med that is over 800 a month, and there is no way in the world I will be able to manufacture it myself or find it at a cheaper price. At least with cannabis if you are unhappy with the price, you can grow it yourself and get all of that for "free" right?
IF it were easy, quality meds would be everywhere (There are 30k patients in this state and most of them have grow rights). Despite the overwhelming number of cultivators, I still only trust 3 or 4 growers which I have met in the entire state.
But yes, it grows freely and should be easily cultivated outside, this I can agree on. Our climate is also beneficial for a couple harvests a year, outdoors. But to do this you will need the proper outdoor spot, you can't just throw it up in any neighborhood with an HOA. (10 foot walls? lol my walls are so low here a 8 year old can see over)
I have one prescription med that is over 800 a month, and there is no way in the world I will be able to manufacture it myself or find it at a cheaper price. At least with cannabis if you are unhappy with the price, you can grow it yourself and get all of that for "free" right?
Bird Gymnastics
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Even without clocking in, just the start up cost to produce "top quality" medicine INDOORS, if you are a professional gardener (producing 1gpw) is still more then $50/oz. Once you become a sustained grower, then those prices become more realistic. But if I Am producing that cheap of stuff for top shelf quality I am probably not going to shareI've never had a complaint from a patient asking for 200 compensation per ounce, but those patients also realize I work , run a business and still find time to give them the best meds they can find. If I were charging what I charge for my hourly tutoring services for lets say, GRE or SAT tutoring, I would be charging 50 + an hour for my time growing cannabis, and I surely would be looking at a much higher donation rate. Luckily I see this as a hobby and don't clock my hours in the grow room
IF it were easy, quality meds would be everywhere (There are 30k patients in this state and most of them have grow rights). Despite the overwhelming number of cultivators, I still only trust 3 or 4 growers which I have met in the entire state.
But yes, it grows freely and should be easily cultivated outside, this I can agree on. Our climate is also beneficial for a couple harvests a year, outdoors. But to do this you will need the proper outdoor spot, you can't just throw it up in any neighborhood with an HOA. (10 foot walls? lol my walls are so low here a 8 year old can see over)
I have one prescription med that is over 800 a month, and there is no way in the world I will be able to manufacture it myself or find it at a cheaper price. At least with cannabis if you are unhappy with the price, you can grow it yourself and get all of that for "free" right?
Lucius Vorenus
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I would also add that many great growers do not grow 1gpw because yield is not always their primary concern and some feel co2 is not good for the final product.Even without clocking in, just the start up cost to produce "top quality" medicine INDOORS, if you are a professional gardener (producing 1gpw) is still more then $50/oz. Once you become a sustained grower, then those prices become more realistic. But if I Am producing that cheap of stuff for top shelf quality I am probably not going to share
I seem to have stimulated some good conversation.
Here's my point.
it takes 6months to grow "top shelf", unless running autos.
If each plant produces a modest 2oz. That's 24oz every 6months. Even @ $200/oz, you will have a hard time justifying $4800 for that grow.
If your electric bill is $600/month. ...and that still leaves $1200 for nutes, etc.
Here's my point.
it takes 6months to grow "top shelf", unless running autos.
If each plant produces a modest 2oz. That's 24oz every 6months. Even @ $200/oz, you will have a hard time justifying $4800 for that grow.
If your electric bill is $600/month. ...and that still leaves $1200 for nutes, etc.
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
Good point, but let's say you lose one of those harvests due to spider mites...now all that work you did in the last 6 months is gone...so basically you just lost all that money you invested, would you still let it go for $200/oz....probably not. There is a a lot more that comes into play to CONSISTANTLY crop top shelf medicine. If I didn't care about what I produced I could definitely throw some plants under a HPS, feed them when I got around to it and still come out with something decent. Here is my breakdown for just my breeding room...
2kw lights (lumatek ballasts, great white hood, hortilux super HPS bulb) - $1100
6in vortex fan - $150
portable AC (lg brand 11k btu) - $400
carbon filter (can filter) - $250
3 oscillating fans - $100
$2000
That is just for my basic equipment. That doesn't include my pots/containers, my medium (coco, soil, hydroton etc.), nutrients, RO water, and last but not least electricity. After your first harvest, if it comes out successful, your product will pay for your grow. But as a grower/patient, if someone ask me for something that cheap I tell them grow it yourself...and then breakdown the cost. Not everyone has a couple grand lying around to go out and buy proper equipment.
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
You are partially correct. Not too sure about the c02 comment as I've always been a fan and it has never affected my end result. But I can say if I grow whitefire or any OG strain I am not going to get 1gpw...but like you said I could careless. It's about the end product not about the yield. If I want to get 1gpw I would go with a strain like northern lights lol...or even a local breeders strains....Golden Pineapple...I could definitely see myself yielding a gpw with that strain
thanks Kal!
BeaverHuntr
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What the fuck? Co2 is important dude its part of photosynthesis
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
Can you break down your numbers to produce that low of cost? Anything I can do to help my patients I'm willing. So please elaborate to your $50 an oz of high quality bud, CONSISTANTLY. Do you grow in a science center?? Lol
1337hacker
Active Member
I can agree that in a perfect world with good cultivators and no plant problems that 1-2 dollars a gram is the long-term cost of producing cannabis
There are reasons this hasn't happened yet, besides it not being a perfect world there aren't that many good cultivators around that can keep their garden problem free over the long term