There is a protest going on right now at my local chick fil a
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guy incognito
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NO IT WASN'T. THE RELEVANT PORTION WAS EVEN BOLDED FOR YOU. The claim is specifically: "black men under 25 years of age are 15 times more likely to die by murder than white men"
This statistic says absolutely NOTHING about racism. It may be true because of racism. It may also be true because of high levels of inner city black on black gang violence.
For example lets say there are 100 people in america; 50 white and 50 black. One white man gets murdered by a black gang member. 25 black men are murdered by other black men. In this case black men are 25 times more likely to die by murder. In this case there was absolutely no white-on-black racism. In fact despite the lop sided 25 to 1 ratio of murders there was infinitely more racism from blacks than whites.
Statistics can be a crazy thing.
Kaendar
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Ignorant opinion
charface
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Read this statistic and you will see we are trying to help
[h=3]Abstract[/h]Data from the American Association of Dental Schools (AADS) and American Dental Association (ADA) were evaluated for trends in dental school enrollment and graduation. In the last 20 years, African-American enrollment has varied from a low of 4.7% (1980-1981) to a high of 6.9% (1988-1989). This figure declined to 5.2% in 1997-1998. African-American graduation percentages in the last 20 years have varied between 3.4% (1979) and 5.4% (1996). The future percentage of graduating African-American dentists is projected to decline. Historically, minority dental education institutions have educated a significant percentage of African Americans and continue to educate approximately 40% of graduating African-American dentists. Strategies to increase recruitment of African Americans include: 1. Greater support for minority primary and secondary education including the establishment of mentoring programs. 2. Dental education outreach programs to minority secondary school and college students. 3. An increase in affirmative action programs. 4. Greater support for minority dental education institutions. 5. Student loan forgiveness programs, which aid recruitment of minority faculty and dental students who either teach or serve minority communities.
Kaendar
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Well then answer this - Why are there so many black gangs? Why so much black on black violence?
missnu
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And here is something interesting I found about kaendar saying that blacks get harsher sentences than whites...
The difference between "probability" and "odds" is crucial. The odds of an event is defined as the probability it will occur divided by the probability that it will not occur. Consider a coin flip. The probability of it landing heads is one-half, or .5, and the probability of not landing heads is also one-half, or .5. Hence: The odds of the coin landing heads is 1 to 1 (.5 divided by .5). Now consider rolling a die and having it land on 1,2,3,4 or 5. The probability of this event is five-sixths, or .83, and the probability of the die not landing on 1,2,3,4,, or 5 is one-sixth, or .17. Hence: The odds of the die landing on one of these five numbers is 5 to 1 (.83 divided by .17). More serious discrepancies between probabilities and odds occur for events with higher probabilities.What's the relevance of this to murder statistics and death penalties? To most readers, the phrase "four times the odds" means that if, say, 99% of blacks convicted of murder were to receive the death penalty, about 25% of whites similarly convicted would receive the same penalty.Yet, when the technical definition of "odds" is used, the meaning is quite different. In this case, if 99% of blacks convicted of murder received the death penalty, then a considerably less unfair 96% of whites similarly convicted would receive the death penalty. Why? Using the technical definition, we find that the odds in favor of a convicted black murderer receiving the death penalty are 99 to 1 (99/100 divided by 1/100). The odds in favor of a convicted nonblack murderer getting death are 24 to 1 (96/100 divided by 4/100). Thus, since 99 is roughly four times 24, the odds that a convicted black murderer will receive the death penalty are, in this case, approximately four times the odds that a convicted nonblack murderer will receive the same sentence.As Arnold Barnett and others have shown, similarly misleading claims were made in the 1987 U.S. Supreme Court decision in McClesky vs. Kemp. The issue concerned the effect of a murder victim's race on death sentencing in the state of Georgia, but the confusion is the same.
So..statistically black men don't get harsher sentences...
So..statistically black men don't get harsher sentences...
guy incognito
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Clearly the white man. Also the jews.
Samwell Seed Well
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thats someones opinion and i doubt they are trained in reading statistic i woudl liek you post links so crimes commited in your town that prove what you say with evidence like a sentacning of same crimes sme level of charge and different sentaces
if you ahvent been in statistics and probability classes and dont kow what positive and negative correlations are then you wont understand
and black you in washingotn and black you in La commiting the same crime with smae history and same level of offense will get different punishment, thing is the one that is the most harsh will be labeled as a race based increase in punishment just based on the fact that there is contrast and that is also a facade
you ignore that every judge is differnt you ignore that they all think on there own, no matter what you think, judges are as much individuals as you and me
Dr.J20
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thats what you got out of my post? for future reference e.g = exempli gratia in latin and means for example. i used "the jews" as the example because they are a group that has been discussed here. if i had said "eg homosexuals" it would have been an equivalent statement.
it strikes me right now that you are willing to argue from your personal experience that jews are culturally greedy, yet from that same experience, you claim blacks can't get out of the cycle you claim their held in, yet you are black and climbed out of the cycle (supposedly) yourself...how does that work in your mind? because for the rest of us who can think logically and critically, it is a paradox.
missnu
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that is a question for you to answer...wait wait wait you already did..the US leaves the american black man no other choice than to become a gun carrying drug dealing gang member...
So why is there so much black on black crime if it is the white man keeping the black man down...
Sounds to me like you just proved yourself that black men are holding black men down...
For slavery, and today.
Kaendar
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Not white men individually, thats generalization. But its because of a white run system. Jews have nothing to do with this.
Kaendar
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Thats hard. In my "town" a lot of crime isnt being commited by blacks anymore, its mostly hispanics, so any links would be misleading.
missnu
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I would never think someone is guilty because just because they are black...but if you are black and left semen, fingerprints and a video tape then you are guilty and deserve whatever you've got coming...regardless of race...
So more black men should be let go even if they commit said crimes? Why? because it isn't their fault...but you just said it was because there is more black on black crime than white on black...
So more black men should be let go even if they commit said crimes? Why? because it isn't their fault...but you just said it was because there is more black on black crime than white on black...
Kaendar
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So did Obama and Condoleeza. Im not saying its impossible for blacks to break out of the cycle, im just saying that its difficult.
guy incognito
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you're right. You wanna be careful when cherry picking data so it's misleading in your favor only.
Kaendar
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How else are they gonna feed the family? Jobs arent there and the welfare isnt enuf... what would you do?
DonPepe
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Did someone at chic-fil-a say they didn't approve of being black or something?
in other words.... the fuck does racism this have to do with the gay protest going on at missnu's local chic-fil-a?
also if I were to say say to you: "you're acting sooo gay" how would it effect you? would you be offended, would you be insulted, would you be complemented, or something else. I am just asking out of curiosity as something that was once taboo and used as an insult changes form and moves to a more accepted position in society, do our views change or only our acceptance?
also where does everyone live that there are no jobs? i mean they are not flying around like crazy here like 7 years ago but almost everywhere i go has now hiring signs up and i have been contacted 2 times in the last 2 years by 2 different previous employers offering me a job with higher pay than when i worked at either place before. NC is the state i live in, and its just not like that here idk why but part of me feels so distant, or at least sheltered, from the problems apparently facing the rest of the US. It often makes me feel like others are exaggerating but the media seems to agree that they are right.
in other words.... the fuck does racism this have to do with the gay protest going on at missnu's local chic-fil-a?
also if I were to say say to you: "you're acting sooo gay" how would it effect you? would you be offended, would you be insulted, would you be complemented, or something else. I am just asking out of curiosity as something that was once taboo and used as an insult changes form and moves to a more accepted position in society, do our views change or only our acceptance?
also where does everyone live that there are no jobs? i mean they are not flying around like crazy here like 7 years ago but almost everywhere i go has now hiring signs up and i have been contacted 2 times in the last 2 years by 2 different previous employers offering me a job with higher pay than when i worked at either place before. NC is the state i live in, and its just not like that here idk why but part of me feels so distant, or at least sheltered, from the problems apparently facing the rest of the US. It often makes me feel like others are exaggerating but the media seems to agree that they are right.
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