Did the state make you great?

[Moses Mobetta]

It was great to grow up there, now It's not nearly as nice. I miss how it was.

 

[ChesusRice]

It was great to grow up there, now It's not nearly as nice. I miss how it was.

Girl comes up to me while i am baked in Strawberry feilds and tells me
"you got some wicked whales "

I'm like "what the fuck"

She was talking about my 72 roadrunner

 

[Moses Mobetta]

Girl comes up to me while i am baked in Strawberry feilds and tells me
"you got some wicked whales "

I'm like "what the fuck"

She was talking about my 72 roadrunner

I remember that place. We used to go there. Wicked - you have to be from around there to say that.

 

[squarepush3r]

 

[potroastV2]

The State huh. I'm a direct descendant of the passengers who landed at Plymouth Rock from the Mayflower, big deal, am I entitled to some kind of royalties from that.

There were no Mobettas on that boat!!

I checked.

 

[ChesusRice]

I remember that place. We used to go there. Wicked - you have to be from around there to say that.

I dont live there now

you cant get thar from hayre

 

[tomahawk2406]

LOL
I lived in Quincy and Milton Mass
Worst part about Mass was the drivers

yeah they think 65 means 85.......worcester is a nightmare in the morning. however i think that when you turn 16 in Rhode Island they just give you a license. RI drivers are fucking stupid.

 

[Moses Mobetta]

There were no Mobettas on that boat!!

I checked.

Yeah your'e right. My grandmother had the book with all the passengers names in it and we were related to 4 and direct descendents of 2. She was very proud of her heritage and had the names of all family members right back to then. It's said that 1 out of 10 Americans can trace their ancestry back to the Mayflower.

 

[ChesusRice]

yeah they think 65 means 85.......worcester is a nightmare in the morning. however i think that when you turn 16 in Rhode Island they just give you a license. RI drivers are fucking stupid.

You mean Wooster?
How in the fuck do you get Wooster out of worchestire?

And I lived in newport as well
and No Mass drivers take the cake for the worst

In Mass the proper way to make a left turn in traffic is
Pull out in middle of road
wait for oncoming cars to stop because your blocking both lanes
make turn

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Yes you could go on and on but you go on and on with hot button words like murder and stealing. How did the slaves come to be in America? Why were they brought here?

Their own tribal government sold them out to muslim arabs. They were brought here because they couldn't handle cutting sugar cane in the caribbean from their Dutch masters, who were originally obtained from arab slavers. Then they change their name to Mohamad Ali, an arab slaver, from Cassius Clay, a white devil emancipationist. Were you high that day in high school American history?

Or do you actually believe we came in boats and kidnapped them?

Dude, the few Europeans who got slaves directly from Africa got them already gift wrapped by their own people, ready for trade.

 

[ChesusRice]

Their own tribal government sold them out to muslim arabs. They were brought here because they couldn't handle cutting sugar cane in the caribbean from their Dutch masters, who were originally obtained from arab slavers. Then they change their name to Mohamad Ali, an arab slaver, from Cassius Clay, a white devil emancipationist. Were you high that day in high school American history?

Or do you actually believe we came in boats and kidnapped them?

Dude, the few Europeans who got slaves directly from Africa got them already gift wrapped by their own people, ready for trade.

Well then as long as we just bought them and shipped them here
Everything is ok

 

[newatit2010]

Well being taxed for over 40 years if I didn't help build the roads and shit WHERE THE FUCK DID MY MONEY GO. I know clinton was a lying mother fucker but this white house has him beat all to hell.

 

[ink the world]

Well being taxed for over 40 years if I didn't help build the roads and shit WHERE THE FUCK DID MY MONEY GO. I know clinton was a lying mother fucker but this white house has him beat all to hell.

Put the cork back on your fork Ruptekt, you're gonna hurt yourself

 

[deprave]

By Charles Krauthammer, “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” — Barack Obama, Roanoke, Va., July 13 And who might that somebody else be? Government, says Obama. It built the roads you drive on. It provided the teacher who inspired you. It “created the Internet.” It represents the embodiment of “we’re in this together” social solidarity that, in Obama’s view, is the essential origin of individual and national achievement. To say that all individuals are embedded in and the product of society is banal. Obama rises above banality by means of fallacy: equating society with government, the collectivity with the state. Of course we are shaped by our milieu. But the most formative, most important influence on the individual is not government. It is civil society, those elements of the collectivity that lie outside government: family, neighborhood, church, Rotary club, PTA, the voluntary associations that Tocqueville understood to be the genius of America and source of its energy and freedom. Moreover, the greatest threat to a robust, autonomous civil society is the ever-growing Leviathan state and those like Obama who see it as the ultimate expression of the collective. Obama compounds the fallacy by declaring the state to be the font of entrepreneurial success. How so? It created the infrastructure — roads, bridges, schools, Internet — off which we all thrive. Absurd. We don’t credit the Swiss postal service with the Special Theory of Relativity because it transmitted Einstein’s manuscript to the Annalen der Physik. Everyone drives the roads, goes to school, uses the mails. So did Steve Jobs. Yet only he created the Mac and the iPad. Obama’s infrastructure argument is easily refuted by what is essentially a controlled social experiment. Roads and schools are the constant. What’s variable is the energy, enterprise, risk-taking, hard work and genius of the individual. It is therefore precisely those individual characteristics, not the communal utilities, that account for the different outcomes. The ultimate Obama fallacy, however, is the conceit that belief in the value of infrastructure — and willingness to invest in its creation and maintenance — is what divides liberals from conservatives. More nonsense. Infrastructure is not a liberal idea, nor is it particularly new. The Via Appia was built 2,300 years ago. The Romans built aqueducts, too. And sewers. Since forever, infrastructure has been consensually understood to be a core function of government. The argument between left and right is about what you do beyond infrastructure. It’s about transfer payments and redistributionist taxation, about geometrically expanding entitlements, about tax breaks and subsidies to induce actions pleasing to central planners. It’s about free contraceptives for privileged students and welfare without work — the latest Obama entitlement-by-decree that would fatally undermine the great bipartisan welfare reform of 1996. It’s about endless government handouts that, ironically, are crowding out necessary spending on, yes, infrastructure. What divides liberals and conservatives is not roads and bridges but Julia’s world, an Obama campaign creation that may be the most self-revealing parody of liberalism ever conceived. It’s a series of cartoon illustrations in which a fictional Julia is swaddled and subsidized throughout her life by an all- giving government of bottomless pockets and “Queen for a Day” magnanimity. At every stage, the state is there to provide — preschool classes and cut-rate college loans, birth control and maternity care, business loans and retirement. The only time she’s on her own is at her grave site. Julia’s world is totally atomized. It contains no friends, no community and, of course, no spouse. Who needs one? She’s married to the provider state. Or to put it slightly differently, the “Life of Julia” represents the paradigmatic Obama political philosophy: citizen as orphan child. For the conservative, providing for every need is the duty that government owes to actual orphan children. Not to supposedly autonomous adults. Beyond infrastructure, the conservative sees the proper role of government as providing not European-style universal entitlements but a firm safety net, meaning Julia-like treatment for those who really cannot make it on their own — those too young or too old, too mentally or physically impaired, to provide for themselves. Limited government so conceived has two indispensable advantages. It avoids inexorable European-style national insolvency. And it avoids breeding debilitating individual dependency. It encourages and celebrates character, independence, energy, hard work as the foundations of a free society and a thriving economy — precisely the virtues Obama discounts and devalues in his accounting of the wealth of nations. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-did-the-state-make-you-great/2012/07/19/gJQAbZOiwW_story.html

Oh look a giant wall of text that starts out with the words "Charles Krauthammer" with a title stolen from a libertarian book..smells like another fake libertarian rant from Mr Krauthammer trying to get libertarians to support republicans.....how quaint.....****walks by without reading it****

 

[canndo]

Their own tribal government sold them out to muslim arabs. They were brought here because they couldn't handle cutting sugar cane in the caribbean from their Dutch masters, who were originally obtained from arab slavers. Then they change their name to Mohamad Ali, an arab slaver, from Cassius Clay, a white devil emancipationist. Were you high that day in high school American history?

Or do you actually believe we came in boats and kidnapped them?

Dude, the few Europeans who got slaves directly from Africa got them already gift wrapped by their own people, ready for trade.

And they paid for them, who did they pay? Or were they all one offs. Slavery was big business and the equivelent of corporations bought and sold them. Not governments (usually).

 

[MuyLocoNC]

While I don't always agree with "The Kraut", he nailed it on this one. The roads, schools, infrastructure were primarily paid for by the taxes levied on those that use and benefit from them. Nothing has changed, every mile you drive, every package you FedEx, every phone call you place that utilizes that infrastructure, is paid for in full by each person who uses it. Embedded taxes in gasoline, phone bills, property tax, etc, pay for ANY additional wear and tear your successful business creates as it grows. To suggest otherwise is the musings of idiots or people who have never actually faced the reality of those expenses on their business.

People like maybe, oh, I don't know, Obama and the enlightened scholars in his administration who belch out this stupidity?

Not only do these businesses pay a substantial amount of the taxes that sustain this infrastructure, but they also provide the jobs that then generate a majority of the revenue that fuels the entirety of all other government functions and programs. Not to mention the fact that all government employees are funded by the revenue generated by business.

Fucking greedy, evil oil companies making an average of 6.2% profit margins while the awesome and benevolent state and Federal government collects far more for doing nothing other than "providing the environment" for success. We should shut them all down and the government will somehow generate even more revenue by taxing nothing. Or better yet, socialize it, yeah, that's the ticket. Because the government with it's total lack of experience in the industry will do it better, faster, cleaner and cheaper...right?

Fucking idiots.

 

[londonfog]

While I don't always agree with "The Kraut", he nailed it on this one. The roads, schools, infrastructure were primarily paid for by the taxes levied on those that use and benefit from them. Nothing has changed, every mile you drive, every package you FedEx, every phone call you place that utilizes that infrastructure, is paid for in full by each person who uses it. Embedded taxes in gasoline, phone bills, property tax, etc, pay for ANY additional wear and tear your successful business creates as it grows. To suggest otherwise is the musings of idiots or people who have never actually faced the reality of those expenses on their business.

People like maybe, oh, I don't know, Obama and the enlightened scholars in his administration who belch out this stupidity?

Not only do these businesses pay a substantial amount of the taxes that sustain this infrastructure, but they also provide the jobs that then generate a majority of the revenue that fuels the entirety of all other government functions and programs. Not to mention the fact that all government employees are funded by the revenue generated by business.

Fucking greedy, evil oil companies making an average of 6.2% profit margins while the awesome and benevolent state and Federal government collects far more for doing nothing other than "providing the environment" for success. We should shut them all down and the government will somehow generate even more revenue by taxing nothing. Or better yet, socialize it, yeah, that's the ticket. Because the government with it's total lack of experience in the industry will do it better, faster, cleaner and cheaper...right?

Fucking idiots.

how do you pay for something IN FULL if you still have maintain cost ???

as a business owner I realize that my business is owed a great deal with the help of others..NOW it was my idea so I get the large share..lol, but I was helped along the way to accomplish what I have. People can say oh I did it all by myself..I say right you either lying or your business is not as successful as it could be. In order to have a successful business you must have a successful network. Something not accomplished alone.


Now point of the topic as to saying did STATE helped me. NO ...My Federal government did though.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

how do you pay for something IN FULL if you still have maintain cost ???

A little confusing but I think I get the gist of your question. Once the road is built, I think it's understood any future costs are for maintenance. Roads are built using revenue from taxes at the time of their construction just as maintenance costs are paid with revenue from taxes collected at the time of that maintenance.

I don't see how you could have misconstrued my point. Which was, all of those costs are already built in to EVERY aspect of use that a business could utilize. And as that business succeeds and it's use of that infrastructure increases, the amount it pays for that use parallels said increase. They are inescapable as they are embedded in every service you contract and every mile your company vehicles drive.

 

[londonfog]

A little confusing but I think I get the gist of your question. Once the road is built, I think it's understood any future costs are for maintenance. Roads are built using revenue from taxes at the time of their construction just as maintenance costs are paid with revenue from taxes collected at the time of that maintenance.

I don't see how you could have misconstrued my point. Which was, all of those costs are already built in to EVERY aspect of use that a business could utilize. And as that business succeeds and it's use of that infrastructure increases, the amount it pays for that use parallels said increase. They are inescapable as they are embedded in every service you contract and every mile your company vehicles drive.

how ?????????? ten character bullshit forced the question marks and this sentence.

 

[beenthere]

Has anyone else noticed that not a single person defending the state is a business owner? LOL