Dan Kone
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Hopefully over time it will get bigger. I'm hoping this list keeps going so vendors can use it as a resource.
List of clubs that rip off vendors in Cali
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Unlimited One
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A Grower/Vendor Union sounds good to me, or even better, bounty hunter.
Well the method I've been waiting to try worked quite nicely. The power of the internet.
I went to their page on weedmaps and posted about the situation for ALL to see. I shortly after got a phone call from the guy telling me how horribly sorry he was and how he's learned his lesson and to come pick up the money when i get a chance to come down there. Told him the comment would not be changed until I got my money. It will work sometimes and other times I'm sure owners wont care. But if someone wants to continue doing business....shit like that will ruin a company.
Maybe I should start some kind of MMJ collections company. Between knowledge in SEO, social marketing and what not...and a mix of good ol scare tactics...I bet I could get companies to pay up.
Edit: The interesting part was when he called I was busy at work...and he continued calling until I answered. So he was desperate to get that shit removed.
I went to their page on weedmaps and posted about the situation for ALL to see. I shortly after got a phone call from the guy telling me how horribly sorry he was and how he's learned his lesson and to come pick up the money when i get a chance to come down there. Told him the comment would not be changed until I got my money. It will work sometimes and other times I'm sure owners wont care. But if someone wants to continue doing business....shit like that will ruin a company.
Maybe I should start some kind of MMJ collections company. Between knowledge in SEO, social marketing and what not...and a mix of good ol scare tactics...I bet I could get companies to pay up.
Edit: The interesting part was when he called I was busy at work...and he continued calling until I answered. So he was desperate to get that shit removed.
stumpjumper
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Call it the Bud Business Bureau. Start a website and accredit legit dispensaries and discredit the bad ones. Even better than a sticky.
Dan Kone
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Unfortunately that only works as long as he doesn't report you to weedmaps. My account which I had there for several years was banned for leaving one truthful comment about a dispensary. He got the comment deleted and me banned. I did not violate the TOS of weedmaps in any way.
This is problem with weedmaps now charging dispensaries to be listed. For that money the dispensaries can do this.
That's a fucking great idea. Probably make a ton of money.
But well done btw.
That would be great. The key to something like that being successful is NOT letting clubs pay for good reviews. Everything has to be 100% or it just ends up like every other website on the net.
And Dan as far as the whole getting comments reported....I'm sure I can have a friend code something up that will continue posting from different accounts at a specific frequency from different proxies so they all get through. Everytime weedmaps removes one...another comment pops up. Can't let these guys hide anymore. Who knows how much money is owed out there by companies still in business that don't want to pay up.
sfttailpaul
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And back last September I posted about a dispensary that ripped me off for over $800.00 for clones to e delivered. I got several people who rote to me that they had been ripped off too. Recently, I had a grower contact me that the same guy owes him for over a year on $1,500.00 worth of herb from a consignment sale. Remember this guy everyone. "E marijuana clones.com", "San Diego e clones.com", and a host of other names. Goes by the name of J.P. Ramirez and he's doing bad things to a lot of people. His dad is in the legal profession and he operates like he's immune from the law. Well, we have started a way to contact us and join in on a class action lawsuit against him and his company. We'll take his Mercedes and whatever else we can. He creates websites against the person who complains, he did one on me calling me the biggest drug dealer in San Jose and this in a public domain. I say, this ass will get what he deserves! He also has made websites on several other people too. I figure that I only know about5-6 people, there must be many more...
As far as selling my hard work to a dispensary on consignment, I simply would not, ever. Cash up front. If a dispensary cannot figure out wither they'll sell out your herb or not, that's on them. That's the gamble they take. So IMHO they should know what they can sell or not. I wouldn't give them a qp or whatever past a 1-3 gram sample. They make bank on our work and then they stiff some poor grower for 85% of what they owe, in the name of a consignment? That's how Home Cheapo operates and it is designed to oust the small business. I would rather keep the herb and have no money for it than sell it on consignment, have no herb AND no money. Just my 2c's...
Mithrandir420
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I would love to know if seasoned vendors like Matt Rize or Dan Kone sell on consignment. (My guess is no, they probably have established relationships with co ops)
I am still small potatoes, but I don't accept consignment. Fortunately I have found a few local delivery services that are trustworthy and well run and take everything we throw at them. But we're about to expand and we're going to need new places to move to.
I am still small potatoes, but I don't accept consignment. Fortunately I have found a few local delivery services that are trustworthy and well run and take everything we throw at them. But we're about to expand and we're going to need new places to move to.
pottscreek
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And be sure to post a report about it here!
Rusty Shakelford
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Its sad to see all of the Dispensary rip offs and issues. Its this kind of thing that continues to keep this medication illegal, cause all of the supposed caregivers are acting like nothing but glorified drug dealers, and this is the same reasoning behind all of the Fed Raids. Its also why the Feds are not bothering with the personal homegrower, as long as you are in a state that allows it.
I too was ripped off by emarijanaclones.com,, But his name was Paul, and rambles on and on over the phone. He admitted to me that he has NO Knowledge of Growing and after getting some very sad looking G13 Clones from him,, Growing them for a couple of months, it became clear that I was sold 4 clones and 3 different strains, so I had no idea what they were. They were also selling unrooted clones, and he had no Idea why that was not acceptable. He/They are basically just a middle mad selling other growers clones, which became pretty obvious, pretty quickly.
I dare not use the word UNION, because I dont believe in them any longer, but this industry does need to get it together, and adopted some standards, or we will continue to get nowhere, which is probably what the feds want. The second we band together and really show this industry can be legit, is when we will make some headway,, But you simply cant have a dispensary owned and operated by 3 people, convince anyone that they are proper caregivers for 4000 patients... This is the argument that the Feds are using to shut down dispensaries, and they should be getting shut down because of Fraud and Theft.
If everyone just formed a basic collective, then the Feds would certainly have a harder time.
I too was ripped off by emarijanaclones.com,, But his name was Paul, and rambles on and on over the phone. He admitted to me that he has NO Knowledge of Growing and after getting some very sad looking G13 Clones from him,, Growing them for a couple of months, it became clear that I was sold 4 clones and 3 different strains, so I had no idea what they were. They were also selling unrooted clones, and he had no Idea why that was not acceptable. He/They are basically just a middle mad selling other growers clones, which became pretty obvious, pretty quickly.
I dare not use the word UNION, because I dont believe in them any longer, but this industry does need to get it together, and adopted some standards, or we will continue to get nowhere, which is probably what the feds want. The second we band together and really show this industry can be legit, is when we will make some headway,, But you simply cant have a dispensary owned and operated by 3 people, convince anyone that they are proper caregivers for 4000 patients... This is the argument that the Feds are using to shut down dispensaries, and they should be getting shut down because of Fraud and Theft.
If everyone just formed a basic collective, then the Feds would certainly have a harder time.
Dan Kone
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Oh I know. We've been doing that for a month now. They just keep getting deleted. It's a shame to see weedmaps becoming an accomplice to theft though.
Mithrandir420
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An ambitious computer programmer and some start up cash could come up with a website to do what weedmaps does, but honestly. I have heard tons of complaints about weedmaps from all sides. I think the consumers are as fed up with the bad review removals as the vendors are. There is opportunity there for the right person. (Sadly I have neither the computer skills or the money)
Luckily it doesn't take much to get a website like that thrown up since the code is all over the internet. It's getting it out to the people and getting it to catch on that is the hard part.
angryblackman
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Weedmaps has a foothold in the industry and will not be easily replaced/removed.
Mithrandir420
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That's what they said about MySpace. And AOL, and Yahoo, etc...
People are fickle. Young people especially will jump ship to the next big thing. Yes, getting it to catch on is the hard part, but not impossible. Especially given the frustration people seem to be expressing about weedmaps lately. With enough money spent on marketing it could probably work and kill weedmaps.
Of course I am not in marketing, so really I am just talking outta my ass. But I think most of us would like to see a weedmaps that has honest reviews, that is not controlled by those being reviewed, that people can trust.
angryblackman
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Oh I agree! But look what companies it took to overthrow the others. You will need to hit the streets, travel to all the shows to get your name out, new content, deal with weedmaps trying to fuck with you..... So many things to worry about.
Not saying it's not possible because I would LOVE to get honest reviews for clubs but it's not going to happen anytime soon. You also have to remember that weedmaps is like a "map of the stars" to the Feds. 3 clicks and they can look at several potential dispensaries to shut down so you have to worry about dispensaries not wanting to be on the list. I think the era of weedmaps is over because the scene has changed so much and most dispensaries have been shut down so it's almost useless.
keepitcoastal
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forums and threads like this can make a dent in replacing weedmaps if we had an alternative
sfttailpaul
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AMEN to that! There is "Angie's List", so why cannot we start "Budzies List". When the vendor pays for a listing, the web owner is compelled to keep him listed and in good faith. So when the vendor CANNOT pay for a listing, rather the customers do, therein lies the control and safety (and honesty). BUT when the membership has to pay, things are quite different! When the internet first was getting started, i wanted to start a list for contractors to list flaky, dishonest (yes they exist) customers. This happened after getting sued by a real dizzy and flaky lady (use this loosely) who simply changed her mind and didn't like her selections ad thought I should make it all good for her. Hey, I'm Irish and will fight for a cause I believe in. I fought, went to court 4-5X and finally won. beat that bitch! Yea. Cost me like twice what she sued me for. Story of my life...
jsamuel24
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I have the knowledge, but not the money to do it right... Maybe I should start looking for investors to try to do it right instead of how it is becoming.
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