My logical take on creation/evolution/Genesis.

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InCognition

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konagirl420 said:
That is called adaption ;)
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It's also called evolution.

Evolution is very proven scientifically. It's not refutable.

Some humans just like to remove humans from the equation of evolution, based on a "thought" written in a book. That's a pretty closed-minded approach in regards to looking into the subject.

This is where religion is dangerous and very much so ignorant... ignoring factual evidence on the premise of random writings, done by some random person.

There simply is no fact in a random book saying creationism is fact. However, when science systematically proves evolution among many species, based on none other than, the laws of which our known reality is bound to, that is fact.
 
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Kaendar said:
Kona, please stop while you can. You are making theists look bad. You have to realize that while the bible is true, some of it should not be taken quite literally, or at least be aware that in some of the parts like genesis, alot of the details are left out. For example, god didnt create the universe in 7 human days, he created it in 7 of his days, which means billions of years.
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Lol.

What this? Someone who has a knowledge superior enough to hard-stamp the bible as factual? How would one be absolutely sure of the words written in ink, on a piece of paper?

Enlighten me. I wish to obtain this superior knowledge that allows me to irrefutably stamp potential fairy-tales, as cold, hard, truth.
 
Heisenberg

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InCognition said:
It's also called evolution.

Evolution is very proven scientifically. It's not refutable.

Some humans just like to remove humans from the equation of evolution, based on a "thought" written in a book. That's a pretty closed-minded approach in regards to looking into the subject.

This is where religion is dangerous and very much so ignorant... ignoring factual evidence on the premise of random writings, done by some random person.

There simply is no fact in a random book saying creationism is fact. However, when science systematically proves evolution among many species, based on none other than, the laws of which our known reality is bound to, that is fact.
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"The success of science often comes at the expense of religious dogma; the maintenance of religious dogma always comes at the expense of science.”
― Sam Harris
 
Zaehet Strife

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InCognition said:
Lol.

What this? Someone who has a knowledge superior enough to hard-stamp the bible as factual? How would one be absolutely sure of the words written in ink, on a piece of paper?

Enlighten me. I wish to obtain this superior knowledge that allows me to irrefutably stamp potential fairy-tales, as cold, hard, truth.
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The Bible is a lot like those online Terms of Use Agreements. People say they agree with it, but very few people actually read it.
 
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InCognition said:
Lol.

What this? Someone who has a knowledge superior enough to hard-stamp the bible as factual? How would one be absolutely sure of the words written in ink, on a piece of paper?

Enlighten me. I wish to obtain this superior knowledge that allows me to irrefutably stamp potential fairy-tales, as cold, hard, truth.
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...holy irony - your signature just nix'd your post :shock:
 
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InCognition said:
I don't see how it has? Tell me please.
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...well, it appeared as though you were writing as if you had the upper hand in knowledge over the believer. So, in effect, you were violating a person's natural human right to believe in what they want to believe - or to entertain as much knowledge as they can given their entire set of unique circumstances. Should that person respond, the ensuing barrage of reason would certainly drip from the forum ceiling after a while. And so on... :)

...but really, I meant the :shock: part as a reference to the tongue and cheek nature of my post.
 
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eye exaggerate said:
...well, it appeared as though you were writing as if you had the upper hand in knowledge over the believer. So, in effect, you were violating a person's natural human right to believe in what they want to believe - or to entertain as much knowledge as they can given their entire set of unique circumstances. Should that person respond, the ensuing barrage of reason would certainly drip from the forum ceiling after a while. And so on... :)

...but really, I meant the :shock: part as a reference to the tongue and cheek nature of my post.
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I see what you're trying very hard to say, but no.... just no. I'm not denying anyone anything. You have a right to believe in a book & ink, just as I have the right to believe in fossilized evidence of evolution.

At the end of the day they are two opinions with a different foundation, though one "opinion" has quite a bit more credibility as it partially proves what it's attempting to argue. Neither opinion answers everything, and they never will.

No one has an upper hand over anyone, because the fact is science nor books we call "religion" will ever answer the real question.
 
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eye exaggerate said:
...well, it appeared as though you were writing as if you had the upper hand in knowledge over the believer. So, in effect, you were violating a person's natural human right to believe in what they want to believe - or to entertain as much knowledge as they can given their entire set of unique circumstances. Should that person respond, the ensuing barrage of reason would certainly drip from the forum ceiling after a while. And so on... :)

...but really, I meant the :shock: part as a reference to the tongue and cheek nature of my post.
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Your post made me reread InCognition's, but I saw he properly conditionalized it. cn
 
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InCognition said:
I see what you're trying very hard to say, but no.... just no. I'm not denying anyone anything. You have a right to believe in a book & ink, just as I have the right to believe in fossilized evidence of evolution.

At the end of the day they are two opinions with a different foundation, though one "opinion" has quite a bit more credibility as it partially proves what it's attempting to argue. Neither opinion answers everything, and they never will.

No one has an upper hand over anyone, because the fact is science nor books we call "religion" will ever answer the real question.
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...awesome post, thanks for that. You're right, neither can prove to you what you already know inside. But, it's obvious that they help though.

...and it was no effort at all, really. I didn't 'try', I just wrote. Old enough to know that trying brings less than simply being :)
 
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Kaendar said:
Who cares what nutty people say? Non-theists are always saying shit like oh how did god create man from dust. Heres my answer. Take it or leave it.. its not that far fetched and I would put money on it being true.
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aka- I'm just pretending to know what i'm talking about, i have not researched the subject because my parents indoctrinated me into believing it was done by my imaginary friend. and they have a nifty book that other's have been duped into believing for the last 2000+ years.
 
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Zaehet Strife said:
You forgot the IM, before balance.
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...I accept the validity of the scientific method. It's just that I happen to think that it was already 'in the air' before we witnessed / harnessed it...is all. So, to be fair, I'll add NO to that, with a - afterward, then your bit, then the rest of my bit (to be fair to the actual content of this exchange).
 
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When one states that the bible was written by man you always get it was inspired by god and that it's divine and the only truth but Google Bible Contradictions and tell what you make of it.
 
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cybasolja said:
When one states that the bible was written by man you always get it was inspired by god and that it's divine and the only truth but Google Bible Contradictions and tell what you make of it.
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...have you ever heard a song that you felt was inspired by something?
 
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