Question about Blue Dream genetics

[coolkid.02]

"this new release is made with both the bigger yeilding indica
pheno, and the super heady sativa blue dream phenos.... enjoy!"

He states this blue dream hybrid is made with BOTH female phenos crossed to the snow lotus male....

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Blue dream is a clone only strain, regardless of what anyone (like Humboldt Seeds) might say. There very well may be (and most likely are) indica phenos of their 'blue dream'; but these are not the Real Deal. Similarly DJ Short has Azure Haze, which probably has indica phenos, and is probably good, but isn't the Real Deal either. Also, unlike Chemdog, I don't think there are any reports of sister seeds being grown out of the blue dream pairing.

Yeah clone only means only that pheno so you will not see blue dream indica pheno if the clone only is a sativa Dom looker

 

[themanwiththeplan]

I don't want to be a dick, but you need to educate yourself on what a 'clone only' strain (like Blue Dream, GSC, the specific OGs, or the Chems and Diesels) is.

Yeah clone only means only that pheno so you will not see blue dream indica pheno if the clone only is a sativa Dom looker

BULL on both accounts. because a strain is clone only does not mean there is only 1 pheno/cut of the strain! also because a strain is clone only does NOT mean that it isnt available in seed form. it could be the breeder has hoarded the genetics and only sells clones or fem seeds.

you can clone a clone only strain a million times but at some point it'll loose its vigor as it ages.

who's to stop someone from buying a clone (that is supposedly "clone only" like bd) and then hit it with colloidal silver and make feminized seeds from it??????

its very possible that HSO got their hands on the clone only bd and make S1's from it or make a cross between 2 different bd phenos.


i dont believe theres only 1 BD cut. i find it hard to believe a grower in florida, ny and cali all have clones from the SAME mother.

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Dude do you know that clone only is a selected pheno right? Not selected pheno"s"or different phenotypes clone only is 1 selected phenotype so bullshit on your account.

 

[wyteberrywidow]

i dont believe theres only 1 BD cut. i find it hard to believe a grower in florida, ny and cali all have clones from the SAME mother.[/QUOTE]
You ever heard of the mail system?

 

[themanwiththeplan]

Dude do you know that clone only is a selected pheno right? Not selected pheno"s"or different phenotypes clone only is 1 selected phenotype so bullshit on your account.

i dont believe theres only 1 BD cut. i find it hard to believe a grower in florida, ny and cali all have clones from the SAME mother.

You ever heard of the mail system?[/QUOTE]


impossible. ive SEEN BD from the same source on two separate occasions that were CLEARLY different phenos however BOTH were indeed blue dream

 

[wyteberrywidow]

I call bs there no way you will see 2 differen phenos off the same source.. I'm assuming the source is a person because if the source is a plant then 1000%b.s. I know 5 people who have this same exact cut that I got and all look spot on in different setups so either you are talking out your ass or the source don't know what the hell he is talking about.

 

[trouble27]

its clone only no other phenos of blue dream availiable anywhere unless u grow someones knock off here is the real blue dream clone only.im curious to see how the seed versions come out i love this strain .

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Yeah thin sativa leaves not no indi dom that's just a knockoff or a reworked version something but not blue dream

 

[trouble27]

hope they both turn out kill for ya

 

[sine143]

guys. stop smoking so much weed. I agree there is 1 *genotype* of the clone only blue dream. Put that under 400 watts of cfls at 90 degrees vs 1000 watts of hps at 75 degrees and the SAME genotype will express a different phenotype. Phenotype is environment specific. I recently popped what I can only assume was a Blue dream s1 and carried it on to finish. it was not the same as the half pound I pulled the single seed out of, however it was similar. I distributed clones and they were grown in 4 diff environments. Outdoors, it looked very indica leaning (fan leaves had almost double the width of their indoor brethren).

Change the environment, and the plant will change to adapt.

 

[fatalphenom]

In any case, Im glad the bushes out plant is where it's at. I went to supercrop it during veg but completely snapped the top. So I simply placed it back on top, held in place with tape and a week later it's hardier than the other 3 babies haha.

 

[fatalphenom]

Im convinced; with all the breeding and buzz name strains we'll never sort it out lmfao

 

[themanwiththeplan]

guys. stop smoking so much weed. I agree there is 1 *genotype* of the clone only blue dream. Put that under 400 watts of cfls at 90 degrees vs 1000 watts of hps at 75 degrees and the SAME genotype will express a different phenotype. Phenotype is environment specific. I recently popped what I can only assume was a Blue dream s1 and carried it on to finish. it was not the same as the half pound I pulled the single seed out of, however it was similar. I distributed clones and they were grown in 4 diff environments. Outdoors, it looked very indica leaning (fan leaves had almost double the width of their indoor brethren).

Change the environment, and the plant will change to adapt.

this is all very true. in different environments plants DO grow differently. its a fact.

 

[themanwiththeplan]

as far as this clone only strain being only 1 cut then i'd advise all you growers with the "real" clone to make your s1 seeds now because the blue dream is gonna disappear in the future if its really clone only with only 1 cut.

eventually if you keep cloning the same clone over the course of years this 1 cut will eventually lose its vigor.


I dont buy into the "its clone only" bullsh*t. what "its clone only" REALLY means is "im hoarding this genetics therefore im only releasing clones so no one can steal/copy/borrow my work. i can easily get a clone only strain and make S1's from it (essentially id have my OWN "clone only" strain in seed form so once again id like to point out its HIGHLY possible that HSO has the actual bd clone and made S1's)

 

[trouble27]

pretty sure its been around since the 90's and extremely popular in cali dont see it going anywhere. grown a few selfed beans from some blue dream and they didnt turn out nice at all was so dissapointed with the way they grew i chucked them. hmmmmm man with the plan sounds like he should just get all the cali clone only strains which there are to many to count and start your own seed company fuck if was that easy everyone would do it . no selfed seeds ive ever popped turned out to be anything close to the mom but i havnt grown out too many selfed seeds so thats just my opinion .and that clone only might have been from a back yard breeder that wound up with a few seeds grew them all out got this blue dream but didnt have the mothers or the father left to breed with or any other seeds from the plants there for making this pheno clone only.

 

[colocowboy]

You all need to quit throwing the word "strain" around so liberally. An f1 is NOT a "strain" it is a phenotype and not a fully expressed genotype..... geez so much misinformation....

"The genotype–phenotype distinction is drawn in genetics. "Genotype" is an organism's full hereditary information, even if not expressed. "Phenotype" is an organism's actual observed properties, such as morphology, development, or behavior. This distinction is fundamental in the study of inheritance of traits and their evolution."

The idea of a strain implies some form of selective pressure applied as an inbreeding technique to establish traits that are "TRUE BREEDING" e.g. in stable seed form.

 

[themanwiththeplan]

pretty sure its been around since the 90's and extremely popular in cali dont see it going anywhere. grown a few selfed beans from some blue dream and they didnt turn out nice at all was so dissapointed with the way they grew i chucked them. hmmmmm man with the plan sounds like he should just get all the cali clone only strains which there are to many to count and start your own seed company fuck if was that easy everyone would do it . no selfed seeds ive ever popped turned out to be anything close to the mom but i havnt grown out too many selfed seeds so thats just my opinion .and that clone only might have been from a back yard breeder that wound up with a few seeds grew them all out got this blue dream but didnt have the mothers or the father left to breed with or any other seeds from the plants there for making this pheno clone only.

S1s cant be anything but mother x mother so what else can you get in the offspring? aunt? cousin? lol. thats also the reason you cant get a male with the seeds of a self'd plant. its virtually impossible to have mother x mother = male.

you learned this in high school science class. remember? and the whole thing about dominant and recessive genes? that applies to seeds too.

did you breed the S1's urself??


and it really is that easy to start a seedbank. in the last few years look how many new "breeders" have popped up? its insane. their list of breeders has nearly doubled it seems like.

many are getting in by obtaining hard to find genetics/clones (like blue dream) and producing s1's then selling them. being a good breeder is another story but anyone can take a good looking mother and make S1's and start selling a clone only in seed form (thats kind of their way of getting noticed...ppl like us on mj forums will buy them as an alternative to finding the actual clones)

 

[colocowboy]

Selfed seeds can be male, it's less likely but not at all out of the question.

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Selfed seeds can be male, it's less likely but not at all out of the question.

Exactly, ghost og from dr greenthumb s1 was a male and so was og raskal wifi.