lahadaextranjera
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both are fairy tales.....................flushing and dark period
I know, I invented both, yours truly, The Fairy !! (La Hada)
both are fairy tales.....................flushing and dark period
I saw the post before he edited it out but tbh I can't be arsed to waste any more of my time on this.Get over yourself.....
He never said you ruined your crop by flushing, his point was that you're not improving it by flushing and potentially holding it a back in its final days.
This thought process is exactly what holds back this entire community. Not knocking your growing skills, they're most likely far above mine, but I trust peer-reviewed scientific studies with quantitative results that actually demonstrate and measure the precise changes within the variable chosen, and fail to understand how somebody can read it and deny it. Then turn around and accept as undeniable fact when someone thinks their crop turned out better one way than the other without even having a control(the most basic necessity to prove a hypothesis) or single quantitative result, especially when the cannabis-specific argument is brought up. Just demonstrates the person's willingness to come up with any excuse they can to believe that the science being brought forward somehow doesn't apply to them. Seems to be the status quo in this hobby though.I would rather see what goes inside a rolling paper rather then a scientific study paper done by folks who don't grow Marijuana.
Exactly, I have a strain I'm growing for the third time, the first time harvest time ended up sneaking up on me and I didn't flush, second time around in the same room with same nutes, I flushed for 1 week using a AN Final Phase and the difference was ridiculous as far as taste went. The biggest difference for me was the non-flushed bud would not stay lit as well and would be hard to smoke in joints or keep lit in a bowl without lighting it every time. Also, you can see the difference in the ash, non-flushed will be black while flushed will be gray/white, that's coming from a old timer I respect a lot and has one of the biggest green thumbs I know.Preharvest flushing is a must in my grow room. I am also growing in a hydroponic system and it comes out way better after flushing. Tried it both ways and it works without a doubt. Go with what the scientist making your nutrients recommend. My wife can do a blind taste test of the two and pick out the non-flushed bud ten out of ten times. I still have a jar of non-flushed bud sitting around. She is the myth-buster I guess. Look at my harvest and tell me I'm doing it all wrong.
Let the rock throwing begin....
guys I'm all for science and agree that if there is scientific evidence to back it up I will fall into this category... hence why I believe the world is not flat. I am genuinely interested in reading any documentation to support flushing/not flushing. Even if it's plant biology 101. Can anyone refer me to something please? I have 2 small nft trays and at the rate this is going I will be flushing one and not the other haha
You're joking, right?Anyways while we are on the subject, anyone know the best Kool-Aide favor to feed my bud for some fruity flavor? Ya science!
There's no need to do our own experiments with results being based on our perception when there is credible evidence that definitively explains the process and findings better than any of us can. Have you ever done a tissue analysis to see what the ACTUAL results of flushing were? Because your taste buds are a lot less reliable than that, so "what some scientist wrote in an article" (read: published a journal based on a properly conducted experiment with controls and quantitative results) is much more credible than what you think you did or didn't taste. Let alone the amount of variables you DIDNT measure and precisely control when coming to your conclusions. If you don't know WHAT you're doing, WHY youre doing it, WHERE the changes take place, or HOW youll interpret the results, that's not an experiment."Not one scientific piece of evidence has been provided by the pro pre-harvest flushing people.
You cannot find one study that proves any of pre-harvest flushings proclaimed positives."
Instead, do something called a experiment... See it with your own two eyes, as I have multiple times...
I will NEVER not flush my plants again... and that's not because of what some scientist wrote in a article, it's because of what I KNOW from personal experiences.
All of what I just posted is quotes from something I wrote several months ago.On your drying and not perfecting it yet; im not trying to be a dick, but for real man, you should try whole plant drying. Trim after all the way dry. You can knock my method with science all you want but its working for me EVERY TIME 100% consistency this whole year so far. No need to spend $ on any curing or drying devices. (snake oil for dry noobs) No more low odor and taste! I used to fight this dry crap all the time. Smelled great when damp but not so much when dry. Not anymore!! Try keeping the plant whole and let the cells do their thing. I dont know everything they're doing but its magic. Im really only trying to help man. Everything set aside, maturely, like a adult, grower to grower only. Please try it and dont trim until the stem snaps. It helped me a great deal. It may help you. Hey, were all on the same side after all, right?
Do you know what scientific evidence is?"Not one scientific piece of evidence has been provided by the pro pre-harvest flushing people.
You cannot find one study that proves any of pre-harvest flushings proclaimed positives."
Instead, do something called a experiment... See it with your own two eyes, as I have multiple times...
I will NEVER not flush my plants again... and that's not because of what some scientist wrote in a article, it's because of what I KNOW from personal experiences.
Of course its a joke/sarcasm. It reflects my feeling of this debate after watching and debating it over the years.....that's its a joke. I mean when one side argues science and plant biology and botany and the other talks of feelings and popularity and faith and argues with nothing more then vague anecdotal evidence, then yeah it become nothing more then a joke to me. If the best argument you can muster is:You're joking, right?
Show me Scientific documentation published where the Scientific Method was used with two plants in same conditions with one flushed and one not flushed... lets see it... ALL your doing is taking scientific facts and studies of the biology of the Cannabis plant and saying that when you "flush" even when Nutrient Manufacturers tell you to in their schedule, your not necessarily flushing or leaching anything and just depriving the plant of nutrients. I somewhat agree with you there because I am the Scientific type but your missing my point.All of what I just posted is quotes from something I wrote several months ago.
It's the same stuff I've been saying all along.
With regards to me not being having perfect dries was a statement of how nobody has perfect dries/grows/cures whatever you know it to mean.
There are variations in everything, nobody is perfect.
It wasn't a statement to my weed being badly dried or wrongly cured.
It's a recognition of the fact that it's impossible to achieve perfection in anything, we can tend towards it but never fully achieve it.
No grown Cannabis plant will ever be 100% perfect but some experts can get damn close.
I would love it if there was a way of keeping my plants at critical (100% productivity) nutrient levels throughout the grow but it's just not possible, the technology simply doesn't exist to measure or adjust the levels with such precision, and certainly not constantly.
I have tried most ways to grow, dry & cure there is.
I've tried everything from water curing to whole plant drying and to aeroponics.
I have a good and scientifically proven way of doing what I do after years of trial and error and learning, it's why I achieve great results.
Do you know what scientific evidence is?
It relies on stuff like empirical data and a rigid method.
It's proving a theory by experimentation while following certain principles of reasoning.
Scientific evidence is deduced by experimentation, except you have twisted the meaning of experiment to somehow exclude it from science when it's in fact a cornerstone of the scientific method. You think anybody can do an "experiment" without proper precautions or a proper setup and that "experiment" would somehow be proof of universal facts.
The premise is ridiculous.
What you're doing is not a scientific experiment, you do not own a lab or have any way of properly measuring and controlling an experiment.
Sure you can do something and call it an experiment but it is in no way related to anything credible, it's personal experience, nothing else.
You can't deduce facts from personal experiences.
You quote me and then say this? I never said that. And my opinion on flushing is to lower ppm. Not plain water.If the best argument you can muster is:
"dude if flushing wasn't mandatory then why does my nute company sell a high tech flushing solution for me to use??? HUH? Yeah thought so, checkmate brah!".