I don't want to die..

[ganja man23]

I really don't.. I'm not scared of death, I just don't want to die.

Do you want to die?

Do you want to live forever like me?

Are you happy with your lifespan?

Take this for what it is but your spirit, soul, higher self, whatever you want to call it has chosen this life for a purpose. If you're one of those people that needs to hear science as justification then hear this... The main principle (as newton discovered 400+ years ago) of the universe is that energy cannot be created or destroyed, it simply is transferred. You don't think that your consciousness is based from energy? If you want to get into things deeper I recommend you watch videos from bashar.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-DLSyU7y97M

Like I said take it for what it's worth, but I am trying to help you friend. You don't need to fret over existence, just acknowledge the fact that you simply exist. Good day friend.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

^^ Prepare yourself... Skeptics are coming.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

^ I don't believe you Ganja... not enough evidence.

You guy should watch this, it's about the "you" that you are talking about. It is extremely thought provoking, and has some awesome experiments going on about consciousness, what it is, and what makes it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LGfsyQ9iT4&feature=mr_meh&list=SP65923FAF5F65C392&playnext=0

 

[WeedPublican]

I really don't.. I'm not scared of death, I just don't want to die.

Do you want to die?

Do you want to live forever like me?

Are you happy with your lifespan?

I've got som good news for you bro, I use to have the same fear, until I found out there is no such thing as dying. And I mean that literally. The best joy that I have EVER experienced is when I found that out for myself the first time, I myself have had several out of body experiences, and im telling you regardless of the comments people may leave on this particular thread, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DYING. This is not religion im trying to tell you. Just straight up truth look for yourself....

[video=youtube;WNbdUEqDB-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k[/video]

Oh and by the way, Pam Reynolds passed to the other side on May 22, 2010

 

[ganja man23]

^ I don't believe you Ganja... not enough evidence.

You guy should watch this, it's about the "you" that you are talking about. It is extremely thought provoking, and has some awesome experiments going on about consciousness, what it is, and what makes it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LGfsyQ9iT4&feature=mr_meh&list=SP65923FAF5F65C392&playnext=0

Lets just say that I'd put my life on that, defending it to the (physical) "end". Anyway it serves no purpose to dwell over how long you're here or why. That was the point I tried to make, just exist and do what excites you because our asses could get capped tomorrow.

 

[ganja man23]

I've got som good news for you bro, I use to have the same fear, until I found out there is no such thing as dying. And I mean that literally. The best joy that I have EVER experienced is when I found that out for myself the first time, I myself have had several out of body experiences, and im telling you regardless of the comments people may leave on this particular thread, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DYING. This is not religion im trying to tell you. Just straight up truth look for yourself....

[video=youtube;WNbdUEqDB-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k[/video]

I hate to tell you but Pam didn't see god, so much as feel his presence perhaps. In my opinion god is eveything in and around us. We live through our creator, making us cocreators. I of course believe in god but Is it me or does everyone who believes in him have no idea what they're talking about. They seem to think he's watching them from the sky like some kind of stalker and keeping notes on whether or not he should let us into his supposed heaven while others burn for all eternity.thats not a god to me, that's an asshole. having said that, I believe the concepts of heaven and hell are very real but it's you who decides your path, no one else.

When you had your out of body experience, did you smoke dmt? Meditate? Near death experience? I just Wanted to share that all those are credible evidence to me that the soul can leave the body. After all it is a "vessel". Just like we travel around in cars (we, being the soul, the car being the vessel), we do with our body. Have you ever seen the matrix. Your superiours, the elite, whatever you want to call them, often hint clues in movies for the lack of information they provide to the rest of our fellow people. The information is always available to those who seek it

 

[Uncle Pirate]

[video=youtube;afGkv0IT4dU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afGkv0IT4dU[/video]

 

[WeedPublican]

Ive just recently started meditating and had an out of body experience thats why when I saw your thread and im like "whoa isnt that ironic! somebody just posted a topic on it". All of my other out of body experiences were when I was waking up from sleep. Don't get me mistaken, I know the difference between a DREAM and a OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE. The most recent was about a week ago, I was literally looking down at myself sleeping, and it wasnt shocking at all. I was just like "Oh yeah, theres me", and as I got closer I tripped and fell right back into my body. Just like sometimes when you walk on an uneven sidewalk and tripping on the pavement. The second I hit the bed I raised up and said to my girl "yo I just tripped into my body".

 

[Zaehet Strife]

Living as if this is the first and last time we will ever exist is infinitely more rewarding than living as if we will exist forever...

 

[ganja man23]

Ive just recently started meditating and had an out of body experience thats why when I saw your thread and im like "whoa isnt that ironic! somebody just posted a topic on it". All of my other out of body experiences were when I was waking up from sleep. Don't get me mistaken, I know the difference between a DREAM and a OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE. The most recent was about a week ago, I was literally looking down at myself sleeping, and it wasnt shocking at all. I was just like "Oh yeah, theres me", and as I got closer I tripped and fell right back into my body. Just like sometimes when you walk on an uneven sidewalk and tripping on the pavement. The second I hit the bed I raised up and said to my girl "yo I just tripped into my body".

That sounds pretty great and it can only get better from there. The pineal gland is like a muscle, the more you use it the stronger it will be. Eventually you will,be able to control where you go. May I ask if you do anything special when you meditate? I've started doing it recently as well and haven't had any results as direct as you have.

 

[ganja man23]

Living as if this is the first and last time we will ever exist is infinitely more rewarding than living as if we will exist forever...

Thats all part of the illusion of this life. It's the barrier set by the brain (physical mind) to make the illusion seem real. What you say is questionable because it depends on the person. Think of it this way; would you feel more comfortable knowing you're never going to exist again and then you face all the challenges of life, or knowing you will go on? Most will worry about what happens after if anything. I think the purpose is to learn and to do what excites us and many will never get over the fear of the supposedly unknown.

At the end of life, it is only you who can give your experience meaning. after that you move on and learn something else about yourself.

 

[ProfessorPotSnob]

Welcome to the Jungle , your going to die ! [video=youtube;o1tj2zJ2Wvg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tj2zJ2Wvg[/video]

 

[WeedPublican]

That sounds pretty great and it can only get better from there. The pineal gland is like a muscle, the more you use it the stronger it will be. Eventually you will,be able to control where you go. May I ask if you do anything special when you meditate? I've started doing it recently as well and haven't had any results as direct as you have.

First you should google about our "7 Chakras". The human body has 7 Chakras that can be activated by meditation. The meditation I use now is with the video below, its best to smoke a joint first to completely relax, and try out the technique in the video below, the experience is amazing everytime. It allows you to go into several different dimensions.

[video=youtube;jHBZfQZYh_I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHBZfQZYh_I[/video]

 

[ganja man23]

thank you i will be trying this later on.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

Death awareness is the price we pay for self awareness.

I don't know if we continue to exist after we die, i'm not going to pretend to know... i don't think anyone should. Though... all evidence points to the fact that when our brains die, so do our neurons, and so does consciousness.

As far as we can tell...

Yet claiming certainty on something no one can be certain of... is certainly absurd.

 

[ganja man23]

Death awareness is the price we pay for self awareness.

I don't know if we continue to exist after we die, i'm not going to pretend to know... i don't think anyone should. Though... all evidence points to the fact that when our brains die, so do our neurons, and so does consciousness.

As far as we can tell...

Yet claiming certainty on something no one can be certain of... is certainly absurd.

that's certainly appropriate if you believe that neurons are responsible for your consciousness. that's a belief in itself because the scientific purpose of a neuron is simply a nerve cell that transmits electrical responses throughout various sections of the human body.

you're going to die regardless aren't you? so why not believe there is more to life then living on a planet called earth for a few years. my guess is you are an atheist. the problem i have with your "group" shall we say is the opposite of my problem with the group of "theists" (if thats the correct word). your type is so anal about seeing evidence, you disregard all information that credible people have to offer. i'm not saying i'm credible whatsoever, i wasn't referring to myself. now theists will believe just about anything others tell them with regards to things they don't understand. i like to think of myself completely separate from both, but you can consider me somewhere in the middle if you choose.

by the way i believe consciousness is based through a device called the merkaba and the 7 chakras. the merkaba is a 'device' that surrounds the human body, and the chakras are energy centres within us responsible for different aspects of physicality and spirituality. in ancient times there have been people who have physically seen these objects around humans. in my opinion if you start researching information more profoundly and with an open attitude, you can't lose. you don't have to believe in what you gather, but why not acquire to learn the most you can, rather then have an predetermined opinion that life is meaningless and nothing is to be gained from it since you will die and never exist again.

 

[Uncle Pirate]

Only one thing is absolutely certain...

[video=youtube;ZVUyyHYkBHk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUyyHYkBHk&feature=relmfu[/video]

 

[tyler.durden]

that's certainly appropriate if you believe that neurons are responsible for your consciousness. that's a belief in itself because the scientific purpose of a neuron is simply a nerve cell that transmits electrical responses throughout various sections of the human body.

It is a responsible belief as it is based on empirical evidence and scores of repeatable, peer reviewed scientific research. We can see that the mind is an emergent property of the brain, when the brain is damaged so is the mind/consciousness.

you're going to die regardless aren't you? so why not believe there is more to life then living on a planet called earth for a few years.

Pascal's Wager is a canard we're all familiar with, if you are not aware of why this is faulty logic this may shed some light for you - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager

my guess is you are an atheist. the problem i have with your "group" shall we say is the opposite of my problem with the group of "theists" (if thats the correct word). your type is so anal about seeing evidence, you disregard all information that credible people have to offer.

Poisoning the Well won't work in this sub-forum, either. In every important area of life, you use empirical evidence to make decisions, why would spiritual ideas be exempt from this process? When you or a loved on is about to take medicine for a serious illness, you demand the evidence for the safety and effectiveness of the medication. If you mother were on trial for her life, you would demand evidence that she is guilty before her execution. I don't think hearsay from 'credible people' would satisfy you. We simply apply this same rigor to religious/spiritual/theistic ideas, as well...

i'm not saying i'm credible whatsoever, i wasn't referring to myself. now theists will believe just about anything others tell them with regards to things they don't understand. i like to think of myself completely separate from both, but you can consider me somewhere in the middle if you choose.

Wow, more insulting Well Poisoning. Atheists suck and so do Theists, I'm glad you are here to finally open all our eyes to the truth. You are probably an atheist when it comes to Zeus and Wotan, and you are a skeptic when it comes to the existence of the Abrahamic god. Why should your brand of fairytale be considered over these others?

by the way i believe consciousness is based through a device called the merkaba and the 7 chakras. the merkaba is a 'device' that surrounds the human body, and the chakras are energy centres within us responsible for different aspects of physicality and spirituality.

Why is this idea more credible than any other unsubstantiated view?

in ancient times there have been people who have physically seen these objects around humans.

So they say...

in my opinion if you start researching information more profoundly and with an open attitude, you can't lose. you don't have to believe in what you gather, but why not acquire to learn the most you can, rather then have an predetermined opinion that life is meaningless and nothing is to be gained from it since you will die and never exist again.

You assume that he hasn't done as much study and research as you have regarding these topics. Most of the skeptics and atheists here have done much study of these spiritual ideas, and have even held them in their youth. It would be responsible for you to look at your own lack of knowledge and research concepts such as Burden of Proof, Logical Fallacies, and basic terms such as theist, deist, atheist, agnostic. If you want to be heard and taken seriously here, I'd advise you to stop with the arrogance and insults, and look for the inconsistencies and weaknesses of your own position and beliefs. At least become familiar with your opposition's stance before you speak lest you look foolish...

 

[ganja man23]

It is a responsible belief as it is based on empirical evidence and scores of repeatable, peer reviewed scientific research. We can see that the mind is an emergent property of the brain, when the brain is damaged so is the mind/consciousness.



Pascal's Wager is a canard we're all familiar with, if you are not aware of why this is faulty logic this may shed some light for you - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager



Poisoning the Well won't work in this sub-forum, either. In every important area of life, you use empirical evidence to make decisions, why would spiritual ideas be exempt from this process? When you or a loved on is about to take medicine for a serious illness, you demand the evidence for the safety and effectiveness of the medication. If you mother were on trial for her life, you would demand evidence that she is guilty before her execution. I don't think hearsay from 'credible people' would satisfy you. We simply apply this same rigor to religious/spiritual/theistic ideas, as well...



Wow, more insulting Well Poisoning. Atheists suck and so do Theists, I'm glad you are here to finally open all our eyes to the truth. You are probably an atheist when it comes to Zeus and Wotan, and you are a skeptic when it comes to the existence of the Abrahamic god. Why should your brand of fairytale be considered over these others?



Why is this idea more credible than any other unsubstantiated view?



So they say...



You assume that he hasn't done as much study and research as you have regarding these topics. Most of the skeptics and atheists here have done much study of these spiritual ideas, and have even held them in their youth. It would be responsible for you to look at your own lack of knowledge and research concepts such as Burden of Proof, Logical Fallacies, and basic terms such as theist, deist, atheist, agnostic. If you want to be heard and taken seriously here, I'd advise you to stop with the arrogance and insults, and look for the inconsistencies and weaknesses of your own position and beliefs. At least become familiar with your opposition's stance before you speak lest you look foolish...

you must realize how childish you sound when your only arguments are all going through my post and trying to disprove my opinions by saying that i cannot prove anything. i'm not trying to offer life changing advice here, just stating my opinions. and i'm not one to offend people, i just stated that for future reference so anyone labelling me as something, i'm not on anybodies side. i see the positives and negatives in all and perhaps i should not have stated the negative there, but it was to prove a point about myself and my separation from these labelled groups.

the point is you offer no more credible evidence than anyone else does. your only evidence is a lack of evidence and wether you realize this or not, you are working backwards.

here's my question: what have you accomplished by not believing in anything other then what you see in front of you. the way i see things, everyone is trying to build bridges in hopes of reaching the other side and you come down and burn them rather then observe the reason for the bridge being built. quite frankly you're an asshole becasue i'm here to learn and all you're doing is trying to offend me to make yourself seem more intelligent. in fact like i said earlier your lack of belief doesn't matter to me whatsoever. your mind is made up and i'm not going to continue to research bullshit "theories" like the one i kindly read from you. basically all i got out of that is that you can't disprove something that you cannot see. they're so obvious they fall to the category of common sense.

the only credible thing you state is that i haven't the slightest clue as to what my opposition is because he has didn't exactly express his beliefs to me. much like you he was more focused on disproving what i had to say, rather then stating his own opinion.

 

[Amaximus]

I really don't.. I'm not scared of death, I just don't want to die.

Do you want to die?

Do you want to live forever like me?

Are you happy with your lifespan?

Considering I don't have a choice whether to live or to die I find it a waste of my time to even think about it.

I can tell you this: I don't want to get old and decrepit...