You're in NorCal but you're growing from seed? And they're seeds from GHS? Why would anyone waste their time with seeds from GHS when they're in NorCal and have access to legit genetics?
Green house seeds "ghs"
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You're in NorCal but you're growing from seed? And they're seeds from GHS? Why would anyone waste their time with seeds from GHS when they're in NorCal and have access to legit genetics?
ru4r34l
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FOUR20 SWG
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No, I was in NNY when I grew their gear and it was a few years back.
And even in NorCal there's still reason to order off seeds too. Sometimes you just can't find what you want from the people you know
hotrodharley
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Studebaker had the Avanti. What else?
hotrodharley
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American Motors made cars and there are people who swear by them still while the rest of us swear at them still. The Gremlin? Javelin? Matador? PACER? GHS = AMC.
ru4r34l
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Jogro
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With due respect, High Times magazine "top ten strains" is edited entirely by Danny Danko and by his own admission a lot of it is just recognizing which strains have created "buzz" in any given year, not necessarily which ones are better/best quality wise. Danko is also a magazine employee, and the magazine has advertisers its trying to please.
Add it up, and I don't think its fair to draw any conclusion about a strain merely because its been put on that list.
ru4r34l
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I am nowhere near foolish enough to believe that HT Top 2012 is not tainted in the least little bit, money can buy ALMOST anything; what I do believe though is that GHS genetics for the most part are not bad, not as bad as many say; at least in my experience.
regards,
Troutacus
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Wow well I've seen a lot from this thread. Some peeps who are just haters cause some dude knows how to bull shit his way to the top and who knows how to market his product better than most. And other who have some legit reasons not to like this breed in terms of genetics. For me, not liking a breeder for how they run a business over the quality of there product is kind of childish. Now if you don't like a breeder simply cause of the fact that there product sucks is more respectful. I'm not saying that they have the best gear. what I'm saying is that there strains are not that bad for what you pay for in price. I have not found that "OMG" strain from them. For a person starting out learning to grow looking for "good" quality. They're not a bad choice.
FOUR20 SWG
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Didn't know there was so little oversight into the HT Top 10. Always found the mag to be a cool read but never really influenced my grows. Haven't had a moment where I had my mind blown by a piece of info I picked up in there.
I guess my last real point on the original topic is this;
You can grow any seed of any strain. And if you put the love, care, and time into it that it deserves, you will be handsomely rewarded.
Back in the day, GH managed to make a name for itself. Through clever marketing and image branding the name has stuck.
But when you compare the results side by side with those of other strains from different breeders (mind you, all grown by the same person) and are asked to choose which you'd rather have, i'd say the majority of the time you select the Other over the GH. As a grower, supplier, smoker, whatever.
There's a reason you don't see much of their stuff on the top shelves of dispensaries (at least from what i've seen in California, both North South and Central). Because most people who have the experience to deliver the quality that medical patients expect have already either moved on to bigger and better banks, or have established good cut-hookups.
Of course there are talented people who are growing it, and i'm sure there's some fine examples of the finished product out there somewhere.
But for my money, my time, my love, and my energy I can no longer wager on Greenhouse Seeds.
I guess my last real point on the original topic is this;
You can grow any seed of any strain. And if you put the love, care, and time into it that it deserves, you will be handsomely rewarded.
Back in the day, GH managed to make a name for itself. Through clever marketing and image branding the name has stuck.
But when you compare the results side by side with those of other strains from different breeders (mind you, all grown by the same person) and are asked to choose which you'd rather have, i'd say the majority of the time you select the Other over the GH. As a grower, supplier, smoker, whatever.
There's a reason you don't see much of their stuff on the top shelves of dispensaries (at least from what i've seen in California, both North South and Central). Because most people who have the experience to deliver the quality that medical patients expect have already either moved on to bigger and better banks, or have established good cut-hookups.
Of course there are talented people who are growing it, and i'm sure there's some fine examples of the finished product out there somewhere.
But for my money, my time, my love, and my energy I can no longer wager on Greenhouse Seeds.
Jogro
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If you don't believe in the validity of the High Times "best of year" list, then why did you cite it as proof of the quality of Greenhouse se-eds?
I won't beat this to death, other than just to repeat my opinion that I don't think that particular distinction awarded by that magazine means *ANYTHING* (positive or negative) with respect to the quality of the strain in question.
Regardless, stipulating that GHS genetics are "not bad" doesnt' exactly make me want to buy them. Do you want genetics that are "not bad" or do you want genetics that are "excellent"?
In my opinion, its perfectly reasonable to refuse to do business with a particular outfit purely because you question their ethics or business practices, even if their product seems to be OK. That's not "childish" at all.
I fall into this category myself. I don't know how good/bad GHS genetics are from experience, and I'm never going to know, because I refuse to purchase their product. I've seen plenty of accounts and allegations of Roskam's sleazy behavior, including having had two High Times magazine cannabis cup wins revoked after being caught bribing judges, line theft, wild rants against competitors, not settling his local debts, etc.
Its not a question of me being envious of his "success". Honest, I couldn't care less how many beans he moves, how much money he makes, or how he makes it. Just in a business dripping with sleazy characters, with so many excellent breeders out there, ones with great products and great reputations, I see no reason to give this particular sleazy one my business. (He's not the only one I won't do business with, by the way).
Now, if GHS really had genetics that were better than everything else or even just unique strains that couldn't be obtained elsewhere, then maybe I'd consider holding my nose and buying on that basis.
But so far as I can tell, not only is this not true, I have good reason to believe that most of his lines are mediocre and several are lousy. Even the ones that defend GHS don't claim the lines are excellent, they're saying things like "they're fine for the money". And speaking of. . .
"Not bad for the price" is good, but its not a reason for me to choose a company.
Why should I settle for "not bad" when for the same money (or less) I can get "excellent for the price"? Or maybe even pay a few bucks more and get "absolutely excellent"?
There are 50+ breeders out there, with se-eds available at a wide range of price points. At $4-10 each, GHS' beans certainly aren't the cheapest out there, and seem to fall somewhere in the middle of the price range.
Nothing really wrong with that, but to name one example, Sannie has at least half a dozen lines that are outright fire for under $4/seed, and there are quite a few other breeders with better than average genetics at better than average prices. See here for some ideas:
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/552173-sleeper-strains-cheap-strains-turned.html
WeedPublican
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actually greenhouse has always been a success, always sprouted, never a hermie
Troutacus
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Well said. Could not agree with you more. Honestly for the price you cant beat Mandela seeds.
Clankie
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That is definitely true. I just wrapped up my first Mandala grow and was very impressed. Grew out Satori, Point of No Return, and Beyond the Brain. Potency was great on all three, across all phenos, and they had some great tastes, and the mostly landrace based genetics definitely lend some really unique features to the plants. Bag appeal isn't the best, but landraces are often a little rough. I would definitely recommend them, especially at the price they are.
ru4r34l
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This can be said about almost anything in life, some people cannot afford the best; I drive a $75, 000.00 vehicle and wish I had a $100,000 vehicle. My kids go to public school which is not bad, but there is a prestigious day school just down the road that I cannot afford, I have a HTC smart phone, I believe others say iPhones are better, this can go on and on..
I mentioned the HT magazine not because I believe in the validity of it but to show that GHS still stands among many other so called "Legit" or "real breeders", there are hundred of breeders and thousands of strains that did not make this list, everyone is free to draw there own conclusions.
regards,
tip top toker
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I grew church, grew jut fine, was a mediocre smoke. Grew strawberry haze, biggest waste of my time to date. See no reason to bother growing their stuff again when there is far better to be had at comparable prices. I just got 35 seeds from a great group of breeders
kentuckyboy
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I have grown a Super Lemon Haze freebie, and it was grown during my 1st indoor try. It is still a year later one of the best strains that I have grown. I bought another 5pk. just because I liked the strain so much. I also bought a couple Bubba Kush just because I had read a guy's post talking about how good it tasted. I still haven't gave that strain a shot yet, but I think there are alot of people who just like to ride the coat tails of the majority of people on here who think they are cool. I'm the type of person who thinks for myself., and the only way I can do that is to give each strain a try. Don't get me wrong I try to take what people say on here as a whole just because there are so many strains out there by so many breeders that you have to get some sort of help to get pointed in the right direction. I got my Greenhouse SLH as a freebie, and I am happy as hell that I did. I will probably buy some other strains from Greenhouse just to give them a try in the future. But that ius just me, and I could care less what everyone else thinks about it. I wish everyone the best of luck finding worthy strains to grow.
ru4r34l
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Although I love my GHS Lemon Skunk and have had some around for the last year and a half, it's time to let it go 
it's time for some new tests (some freebies from the tude); seeded last night were each of the following:
DNA Genetics - Sharksbreath
G13 Labs - Pineapple Express
Seedsman seeds - Power Africa
Eva seeds - Jamaican Dream
Reserva Privada - OG Kush1
Humboldt Seed Organisation - Chemdawg
regards,
it's time for some new tests (some freebies from the tude); seeded last night were each of the following:DNA Genetics - Sharksbreath
G13 Labs - Pineapple Express
Seedsman seeds - Power Africa
Eva seeds - Jamaican Dream
Reserva Privada - OG Kush1
Humboldt Seed Organisation - Chemdawg
regards,
lBiG lBeAR
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I started out with GHS' gear. I've grown out Big Bang multiple times, El Nino, Himalaya Gold, Super Lemon Haze (freebies), Cheese & also Exodus Cheese. Was REALLY impressed with the yield of the Big Bang & quality of the Cheese. I preferred the original over the exodus cut. The Himalaya Gold was the best tasting.
No herms, and plants were stress-resistant. They seemed very stable, which helped me a lot as a novice grower.
I did not know about all the issues re: Arjan. He sounds like an asshat, but I've never met the guy.
Overall I was pretty happy with the results. However, a small amount of the seeds didn't pop.
No herms, and plants were stress-resistant. They seemed very stable, which helped me a lot as a novice grower.
I did not know about all the issues re: Arjan. He sounds like an asshat, but I've never met the guy.
Overall I was pretty happy with the results. However, a small amount of the seeds didn't pop.