Hamster vs bottled CO2

[JohnnyBravo]

anyone know how much co2 is in a 20lbs tank?

I'm gonna take a stab and say 20 pounds

 

[panhead]

I'm gonna take a stab and say 20 pounds

Stop it,just stop it,between the caveman & now this your makin my night

 

[fdd2blk]

i actually spent 20 mins googling "hamster lung capacity". all i got was a bunch of test results on damage caused by different things. i couldn't sort thru any of it.

 

[budforever442200]

a hamster breaths 4 time a sec.
and breaths out 10ppm every breath sooooo

if 4=4xz-10y(3)*sqf= your answer......Easy!

 

[homerdog]

1,507,936,507,936,507,936,507 molecules min for fermentation (from the guy on 1st page) assuming 100% fermentation of 5lbs sugar week (he's prob not using 5lbs a week) (I have yet to see a yeast (designed for high alcohol) go above 20% alcohol, so I don't know what that would do to the #. 2,400,000,000 moecules min for the hamster (4 breaths a sec at 10ppm, assuming hamster at rest). Fermentation 62,830,6878,306 times as productive (5lbs sugar fermented mol/hamster mol). It's late so you can double check my math. Still waiting on a number for CO2 injection ppm per min. Now how about a guinea pig, LOL. Thanks to everyone who put in effort to this useless post.

 

[homerdog]

I over simplified my explanation of how I arrived at the answer, the formula shown is not how I found #'s just what #'s I found, poor scientific method I know, but should lend to independent conformation.

 

[past times]

not 5lbs sugar used per week. just how much is produced by fermentation of a 5lbs bag...which took me about 6 or 7 weeks and multiple different bottles.

and to the smart guy who keeps saying 20 lbs in a 20 pound tank, thank you so much for adding. extremely valuable input buddy. ill crunch these numbers and actually add some info for you to drool over

 

[joepro]

what is needed are sex slaves chained up in the grow rm,5 or 6 will do.
I'll run some test and post em here.

 

[homerdog]

correction - optimal fermentation of 1lb of sugar a week produces 125,413,359,750 times as many molecules of CO2 per minute compared to hamster respiration. Here is a useful question. I would be interested in hearing what the concentration of CO2 you (past times) are getting in your 48 cubic ft closet grow(assuming 2x3x8ft tall, can't figure out mathematically due to room exhaust) (some guys are using meters/sensors with their tanks as they should be) vs what conc the tank guys are trying to achieve.
Past times - are you using sog or scrog in your closet or some other method. If you like beer you could two birds with one stone (though your limited space would prob prevent having car boys in the closet

 

[past times]

that is what i have been trying to figure out. dont have a meter though and really dont want to buy one. with the co2 tank, if you truely have 20 lbs of co2 in the tank then you have about 189 moles co2... thats compared to the 30 moles produced by the 5 lbs sugar. talking to people, they said a tank lasts about a month. so with my system i am making 1/6 the amount of co2 in twice as much time. (I did all of this stuff stoned though, so i might be off, but looked through it a couple times and think it is right)

as far as my grow, i veg about 5-6 weeks, topping after about 4 or 5 weeks when they are 9 inches tall. after the top i let them recover then flower. i guess you can say i lollipop my plants. i am pretty aggresive with pruning taking aff all bottom shoots on the bottom foot of the plant. this usually gives me about 1 foot of buds on top (each plant having 6 colas at about the same lvl). i do this because of my relatively small light. as far a ventilation goes i have a pc intake coming through a wall that shoots the incoming air just over the soil lvl. i also have a bathroom fan with a carbon filter pulling air out through the ceiling. i wish i had pics but that is a no go.

the thing about my room is i have plenty of height. and it just so happens that i have a few feet on the bottom to slip a 5 gallon carboy. only problem is bottling the damn beer...just takes too long. not to mention i would produce 5 gallons of beer a week.

 

[stonegrove]

lol i DOUBT the hamster even puts out an 8th of the Co2 you put out lol

 

[lowerlevel]

178 hours of co2 when using setting 4 in a 56 cubic feet room = 20 pounds

oh and its 11.50 to refill at your local welding shop

 

[THSeaofgreen]

So what have we decided is the best CO2 method?

 

[PowerTrance]

I am not a biologist, but I did fail it 3 times... Anyway, those tiny rodent lungs won't make co2 fast enough to use it during the hot "sunny" day, plus you'd have to capture it efficiently. There's already living creatures in the house to exhale shitloads of co2... SO, I am thinking we could make a "mask" to wear at night which will connect to a long ass tube leading to a bigass garbage bag in the basement... Then we just pull it into the grow room even while venting, and we'll still have shitloads of co2 as it just gets replenished during the night when we sleep. How about it? Let us brainstorm some ideas to cleverly attach a tube collection device to one's mouth for night time...

 

[Budsworth]

Fuck a hamster, try a 3 toed sloth.

 

[bicycle racer]

a small mammal of that size will make no difference.on full grown cannabis plants. no difference and besides you have to vent anyway. maybe enough co2 for a sprout in a shoe box but thats it

 

[bicycle racer]

do mammals actually produce c02 i thought it is simply inhaled with the other gasses nitrogen and oxygen and then exhaled because the body doesnt use c02. so this would change the ratio of oxygen nitrogen and carbon dioxide but not necesarily raise c02 levels unless there is a process that takes place that creates more c02 in the body during resperation meaning more was exhaled than inhaled. is anyone familiar with how this process actually works is c02 created in the body or is oxygen simply removed making the c02 ratio higher in the exhaled breath? as far as best c02 system thats simple c02 tank and regulator. i worked in aquaria most of the fermentation devices work ok but only for small areas if it is a big grow or aquarium a tank and regulator will be required for best results

 

[Koabear]

used up oxygen is converted to Carbon (which we ar made ) and oxygen (which we are breathing in) when we breathe it in our lung combusted the gas down and we use it up and what left over is the end effect of our carbon and oxygen mixing CO2

 

[homerdog]

I believe if you refer to my earlier figures you can easily determine which method is most effective. Although it was interesting to note how many times more effective simple fermentation is than respiration.

 

[bicycle racer]

i dont think thats how it works. does anyone actually know how mammal respiration works with regard to what goes in as opposed to what comes out. i know about 18% of oxygen is used by the body per breath and a significant amount is unused and exhaled. what are the actual contents of exhaled breath from a mammal as oppposed to the contents when inhaled. anybody really know about this?