Looks like another 4 years for Obama

[ChesusRice]

You're not going to attract competent people by under paying them. Just dishonest opportunists who will game the system.

does that argument also hold water for "union" teachers?

 

[UncleBuck]

Ex-military people are having difficulty finding work now. dump a 1/4 million more into the job market and we'll have massive unemployment.

unemployment among veterans is lower than the average by far, stormfront red.

 

[UncleBuck]

does that argument also hold water for "union" teachers?

lol. nice catch there.

 

[Red1966]

Seriously, if they put in the applicable years of Clinton's presidency, they will see that public debt did decrease, but the national debt continued to increase. So this "budget surplus" talk is solely based on only one piece of the pie.

The USA still borrowed money every year during the Clinton admin. The "budget surplus" was just smoke and mirrors. They did decrease borrowing, but never stopped it.

 

[cannabineer]

Budget years end on September 30 of each year.

I do not recall that being specified. However I found this which supports your contention that there is creative cat-skinning going on. I don't approve of using a separate criterion for "on-budget" v. "off-budget" debt or deficit. cn https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ficit_to_Change_in_Debt_Comparison_-_2008.png

 

[Red1966]

[TABLE="class: data1"]
[TR]
[TH]Date[/TH]
[TH]Debt Held by the Public[/TH]
[TH]Intragovernmental Holdings[/TH]
[TH]Total Public Debt Outstanding[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12/31/1999[/TD]
[TD]Not Available[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Not Available[/TD]
[TD]5,776,091,314,225.33[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: data1"]
[TR]
[TD]12/29/2000[/TD]
[TD]Not Available[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Not Available[/TD]
[TD]5,662,216,013,697.37[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



that to me is a decrease in debt small as it maybe

Doesn't include any of the national debt.

 

[UncleBuck]

The USA still borrowed money every year during the Clinton admin. The "budget surplus" was just smoke and mirrors. They did decrease borrowing, but never stopped it.

you also said that a compilation of 518 polls was biased because it did not show what you wanted to, so of course you'll try to discredit deficit lowering democrats while sucking the dicks of deficit exploding republicans and then bellowing belligerently about the deficit. you're carrying water for your republican masters in between posting at stormfront.

 

[Red1966]

Well, if they ignore it, that's their choice. For those of us who actually care to back up what we believe, it's there to review.

They don't need your stinkin' facts, they got dogma!

 

[UncleBuck]

Doesn't include any of the national debt.

i'll let your own republican colleague discredit you here, douchebag: The national debt of the United States is split into two categories:

1. Public Debt

2. Intragovernmental Holdings

 

[UncleBuck]

They don't need your stinkin' facts, they got dogma!

says the guy who just told lies debunked by his own republican colleagues.

go back to stormfront, red.

 

[ChesusRice]

The USA still borrowed money every year during the Clinton admin. The "budget surplus" was just smoke and mirrors. They did decrease borrowing, but never stopped it.

Congress controls the purse strings
Both houses had a republican majority during clintons administration

 

[brotherjericho]

I like how people argue over who spends too much. The Libertarian tells you that you all spend too fucking much, and that's the real problem.

 

[UncleBuck]

I like how people argue over who spends too much. The Libertarian tells you that you all spend too fucking much, and that's the real problem.

i wonder how many libertarians went out after sandy and turned their own power back on.

 

[Red1966]

Ronmey wins by a landslide write it down! Seems like lots of folks don't care who it is as long as it ain't Obama

Sadly, I disagree. Never under estimate the gullibility of the public.

 

[ChesusRice]

i wonder how many libertarians went out after sandy and turned their own power back on.

The free market will solve all those problems
according to mittens
FEMA should be turned over to market forces

 

[UncleBuck]

The free market will solve all those problems
according to mittens
FEMA should be turned over to market forces

executives from goldman sacchs will golden-parachute in and whisk victims away to a coke and hookers party.

 

[brotherjericho]

i wonder how many libertarians went out after sandy and turned their own power back on.

What does that have to do with anything? Oh yeah, the government teet sucking mentality.

You know, a child will nurse from his mother for upwards of 6-7 years if he is not weaned.

Not having power sucks, but guess what? People did without it for thousands of years. So some of us don't have to whine when someone does not do our bidding right away as we complain about how slow people are to respond to our needs.

 

[UncleBuck]

What does that have to do with anything? Oh yeah, the government teet sucking mentality.

You know, a child will nurse from his mother for upwards of 6-7 years if he is not weaned.

Not having power sucks, but guess what? People did without it for thousands of years. So some of us don't have to whine when someone does not do our bidding right away as we complain about how slow people are to respond to our needs.

you rugged individualists, you.

were you guys also born in log cabins you built yourselves?

 

[ChesusRice]

you rugged individualists, you.

were you guys also born in log cabins you built yourselves?

With saws smelted from iron ore wrested from the ground with bare hands

 

[Red1966]

this is bad reasoning, if he wants to lower our deficits, then cutting military spending would be a must.

Considering the dangers that are in open opposition to the USA, cutting the military would be unwise. There is waste that can be eliminated in the military, sure, but now is not the time to consider reducing our military strength. Cutting aid to those who hate us, welfare for the rich, wasteful subsidies to failing businesses, etc. would be a better idea. Student loans should only be given to those going into fields in demand, there are way too many "diploma mills" pumping out philosophy majors and other useless vocations. Care to guess how much the Federal Flood Insurance Program is going to pay out to the uber rich who own beachfront property, and probably pay less in premiums than you do on your home hundreds of miles from the water, because of hurricane Sandy?