Joining the army?

Bigtacofarmer

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I joined the Marine Corp straight outta high school in 2004. I was attached to the 2nd marines as a Humvee operator. All I did was maintain our vehicles and sit on a 50. Cal while outside the wire. Basic traing was the toughest most mentally challenging 13 weeks of my life. Was deployed to Iraq in 2005. War was spiritually degrading. Everyone is all about the violence, but you have to be or your coming home in a coffin. It's for the very few. The majority can never understand why we do it. But if the armed forces is for you it will change you to the man your meant to be. And usually they weed out those not suited for them. I fought for all the stoners and growers at home. Your right to preserve, protest and grow a magical plant I would die for.Semper FI
I'm glad there are so few! When do we get to stop this retarded shit, neuter the violent! You didn't not protect me! I want my tax dollars to do something nice, lets scrap the Humvee's, scrap the weapons, and while the so called "violent few" are still overseas lets close the borders and enjoy knowing that some of the most violent and poorly educated Americans are not wasting there anger here!

I know I sound harsh, but I don't condone murder! I don't support a system that does! If your not defending your life or someone else its murder! America is the one kicking in doors in someone else country! They are defending themselves, just as you would if it came to your house! But it not at your house, its thousands of miles and trillions of dollars away! THINK
 

drive

Active Member
I joined the Marine Corp straight outta high school in 2004. I was attached to the 2nd marines as a Humvee operator. All I did was maintain our vehicles and sit on a 50. Cal while outside the wire. Basic traing was the toughest most mentally challenging 13 weeks of my life. Was deployed to Iraq in 2005. War was spiritually degrading. Everyone is all about the violence, but you have to be or your coming home in a coffin. It's for the very few. The majority can never understand why we do it. But if the armed forces is for you it will change you to the man your meant to be. And usually they weed out those not suited for them. I fought for all the stoners and growers at home. Your right to preserve, protest and grow a magical plant I would die for.Semper FI
Thanx Patty
 

dank smoker420

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most of the "wars" fought are based on fabricated of false information. the iraq war was a complete lie. and as the government looks it seems like they could do it again. attacks in syria and iran and blamed on the government so the USA has leverage over them for invading them. most people would not want to fight for a war that is fabricated or one that only benefits one or a few top officials. there is no such thing as "war for peace" or "bombing for humanity" and that is what the wars are for now. why not live in peace? what is the point of harming other humans. you wouldnt want to be harmed so why harm others?
 

budsmoker87

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Monsantos cousin, right?

Uhh except one is involved in drilling/fracking/cementing oil wells....and the other is an agricultural giant that owns plant genes. I know these two companies are popular...even notorious...but why are they the only two companies that get this kinda rep? There are TONS of em
 

Padawanbater2

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Army, Marines, imo, bad idea. Straight cannon fodder. I was wondering today what kind of jobs they offer that don't require you to fight on the front lines, I know you can be a helicopter pilot with just a HS diploma..

Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, great idea. Dudes aren't so much in direct action as they play a supporting role, especially the CG (which I'm currently highly considering myself).

And I agree, most of them lead pretty fulfilling lives, but the ones in direct action seem to turn out much more fucked up than their counterparts in other branches.

Check this thread for examples of what marines and army personnel deal with;


https://www.rollitup.org/politics/566390-reality-war.html
 

themanwiththeplan

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personally i wouldn't do it.

i have a bone-headed relative that joined recently. they wanted to sign up to STRICTLY to "take advantage of the benefits and get their college education paid for" because they are foolish and blew a large inheritance on fun and games instead of their college education. had that money not been blown without caution they would NEVER have signed up.

I told them this: despite what you think the army does not recruit ppl...put them through basic training...then say "here..go to college..u went through basic training...we got u covered" if so then everyone would do it and the army wouldn't be winning any wars.

the recruiters sat in my living room (not talking to me obviously...but i was listening) and they swore up and down that if they signed up they wouldnt be sent to any foreign country or off to any war and all they have to do is finish their basic and then they can go to school and blah blah blah.

i told them (after the recruits left) that they were talking out of their ass....nope...didnt believe me...signed up anyways.


fast forward nearly a year later and they've been served with deployment papers to be sent off to Afghanistan.


me: I F**KING TOLD U!

i dont support the army. i mean its great for those who WANT to do such things but for those who want to just go to school...its not fair that they tell them anything they wanna hear just so they can get their signature on the contract (ie. so the army "owns" you for x amount of yrs).

thats why id never sign up. i dont trust them for sh*t and i dont wanna fight someone else's war. i dont.

id advise against signing up unless going to war gives you a hard on.



i never gave any recruiters the time of day...paying for my own college...have my freedom (the army doesnt tell me where im going..when im sleeping...nor are they sending me somewhere to potentially be killed) and im much happier for it.
 

Padawanbater2

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For some people though, that's just not realistic. Circumstances don't permit it..

It's honestly, the only way to pay for higher education.

I agree with you, the Marines or Army is probably a bad idea if you want to get an education as your first priority. The Navy, Air Force or Coast Guard is probably a good idea, or at least a better idea. Those branches require higher scores on the ASVAB though.

Why didn't your relative choose one of those branches instead?
 

abandonconflict

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For some people though, that's just not realistic. Circumstances don't permit it..

It's honestly, the only way to pay for higher education.

I agree with you, the Marines or Army is probably a bad idea if you want to get an education as your first priority. The Navy, Air Force or Coast Guard is probably a good idea, or at least a better idea. Those branches require higher scores on the ASVAB though.

Why didn't your relative choose one of those branches instead?
You have options.

No matter what your priorities are now, your mind will change. You will change. 6 months after you join, you will be a different person, I promise.
 

greenswag

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Especially if you're like so many other kids coming out of high-school today. My cousins for example, their family makes just enough to not receive gov. help for college, but not enough to actually pay for it without the help, they are in the middle ground. Not to mention my one of the three cousins who decided college over military is coming out thousands in debt, and there is still no guarantee of a job to pay off that debt once he's out. Sadly I hear time and time again that trade school are becoming the way to go, they usually cost less and there's a semi decent chance of getting a job, it's still not a good chance, but it's a chance.

To the guy saying to shut off the boarders to our soldiers over seas for being so angry and stupid, I can only shake my head. Some of the most intelligent, greatest people I have ever met are vets from the marines, army etc. I scored a 90 on my asvab, I can do literally any job I want in the marines, I qualify for every one, and I qualify for almost every job in the other forces too except maybe something like nuclear engineering in the navy, but that doesn't interest me anyway. I also have a 3.6 GPA, volunteer etc. and have enlisted in the marines. But I'm just stupid and angry right? I agree completely with whats been said earlier and I've said the same to a lot of people thinking about joining. You can NOT join the army, airforce, national guard or marines solely for the GI bill or college help. They will fuck you every way they can and then some, you won't be able to go to college while your serving regardless of what they tell you. Every time my brother went to college while in the national guard, he would get 6 months to a year, and they would ship him over seas, it's damn near impossible. So far the only half way decent opportunity I know to go to college while serving, is after 4 years in the marines you can apply to enter a program that sets you on a 4 year non-deployable list, and you go to college during that time while doing a job in the states.

I'll also touch on this subject. Even though many, including myself sometimes, feel we shouldn't be over there in the first place; when we are over there if we are not protecting US citizens, we are protecting the people who are suffering from the terrorist over there. During my brothers tours he helped countless civilians while fighting off insurgents. Even though at times you can say we are not directly helping the US citizens, we ARE helping Iraqi and afghani civilians and I don't see why they would have any less of a right to live in peace as a US citizen would. They deserve the help, possibly even more than some of the piece of shits who live over here and take everything for granted. It's an honorable thing to join the forces, but it is a very serious commitment. You sign, they own you. I can't remember what the one marine poster said but it goes for all branches, it was something like "We don't take applications, only commitments." you need to look at it as a life changing decision, rather than a quick job. Yes I read all the pages and see he's looking at the oil fields but I just though I would give my two cents in case anyone reads in the future.
 

abandonconflict

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Not really, unless you want to be stacked with debt after you graduate
If you want to join, just say you want to join.

You don't have to get student loans, you could just work and go to school. If you convince yourself that you are forced by circumstances to join, you are one of the people who will have trouble adjusting back after you get out.
 

Padawanbater2

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If you want to join, just say you want to join.

You don't have to get student loans, you could just work and go to school. If you convince yourself that you are forced by circumstances to join, you are one of the people who will have trouble adjusting back after you get out.
I don't really want to join, I want to get an education and advance through life and not have to worry about job security or barely skating by on minimum wage. If I won the lottery, I wouldn't join. If someone paid for it, I wouldn't join.

Someone in my circumstances would undoubtedly have to take out student loans to pay for it. I wouldn't be able to afford it, not even community college for an associates degree, working full time. I used to work 1 full time job and 1 part time job at the same time and I still couldn't afford it, that's without even considering the extra time I was working that I wouldn't be able to put towards actually going to school.

I'm not sure how old you are, but my generation and the generations that come after it got shafted when it comes to higher education. It's simply too expensive and unrealistic to be able to afford it while maintaining basic living needs. It might be different for people living in different areas, but in California, it's a fucked up situation.

Joining the military is a complete 180 in that regard. School, medical, dental, vision, all 100% paid for, housing, food, goods, massive discounts, decent pay, pension, a requirement to keep in shape and keep healthy.. Like I said, the Marines or Army is probably not the best option for someone like me, but the other branches could be a great opportunity for people who otherwise wouldn't have it.
 

OGEvilgenius

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If you don't even really understand - I mean truly, at a really deep level - what it is you might potentially be fighting for, signing up is a really foolish thing to do. Your first post indicated you do not understand.

Ultimately they are all highly immoral wars. Almost every war is.

It's a racket where some people make gigantic amounts of money and a lot of other far less fortunate die for it.

Check out Smedley Butlers book called 'War is a Racket'.

http://ia700400.us.archive.org/26/items/War_Is_A_Racket/WarIsARacket.htm

It's got some excerpts worth reading. Considering the guy is basically a hero and was a high ranking officer, he's worth hearing out.

You can find all the same kind of immoral behavior today.
 

OGEvilgenius

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I don't really want to join, I want to get an education and advance through life and not have to worry about job security or barely skating by on minimum wage. If I won the lottery, I wouldn't join. If someone paid for it, I wouldn't join.

Someone in my circumstances would undoubtedly have to take out student loans to pay for it. I wouldn't be able to afford it, not even community college for an associates degree, working full time. I used to work 1 full time job and 1 part time job at the same time and I still couldn't afford it, that's without even considering the extra time I was working that I wouldn't be able to put towards actually going to school.

I'm not sure how old you are, but my generation and the generations that come after it got shafted when it comes to higher education. It's simply too expensive and unrealistic to be able to afford it while maintaining basic living needs. It might be different for people living in different areas, but in California, it's a fucked up situation.

Joining the military is a complete 180 in that regard. School, medical, dental, vision, all 100% paid for, housing, food, goods, massive discounts, decent pay, pension, a requirement to keep in shape and keep healthy.. Like I said, the Marines or Army is probably not the best option for someone like me, but the other branches could be a great opportunity for people who otherwise wouldn't have it.
You're on a cannabis growing forum. ;)
 

OGEvilgenius

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Especially if you're like so many other kids coming out of high-school today. My cousins for example, their family makes just enough to not receive gov. help for college, but not enough to actually pay for it without the help, they are in the middle ground. Not to mention my one of the three cousins who decided college over military is coming out thousands in debt, and there is still no guarantee of a job to pay off that debt once he's out. Sadly I hear time and time again that trade school are becoming the way to go, they usually cost less and there's a semi decent chance of getting a job, it's still not a good chance, but it's a chance.

To the guy saying to shut off the boarders to our soldiers over seas for being so angry and stupid, I can only shake my head. Some of the most intelligent, greatest people I have ever met are vets from the marines, army etc. I scored a 90 on my asvab, I can do literally any job I want in the marines, I qualify for every one, and I qualify for almost every job in the other forces too except maybe something like nuclear engineering in the navy, but that doesn't interest me anyway. I also have a 3.6 GPA, volunteer etc. and have enlisted in the marines. But I'm just stupid and angry right? I agree completely with whats been said earlier and I've said the same to a lot of people thinking about joining. You can NOT join the army, airforce, national guard or marines solely for the GI bill or college help. They will fuck you every way they can and then some, you won't be able to go to college while your serving regardless of what they tell you. Every time my brother went to college while in the national guard, he would get 6 months to a year, and they would ship him over seas, it's damn near impossible. So far the only half way decent opportunity I know to go to college while serving, is after 4 years in the marines you can apply to enter a program that sets you on a 4 year non-deployable list, and you go to college during that time while doing a job in the states.

I'll also touch on this subject. Even though many, including myself sometimes, feel we shouldn't be over there in the first place; when we are over there if we are not protecting US citizens, we are protecting the people who are suffering from the terrorist over there. During my brothers tours he helped countless civilians while fighting off insurgents. Even though at times you can say we are not directly helping the US citizens, we ARE helping Iraqi and afghani civilians and I don't see why they would have any less of a right to live in peace as a US citizen would. They deserve the help, possibly even more than some of the piece of shits who live over here and take everything for granted. It's an honorable thing to join the forces, but it is a very serious commitment. You sign, they own you. I can't remember what the one marine poster said but it goes for all branches, it was something like "We don't take applications, only commitments." you need to look at it as a life changing decision, rather than a quick job. Yes I read all the pages and see he's looking at the oil fields but I just though I would give my two cents in case anyone reads in the future.
Sadly trade schools are the way to go? Tradesmen literally built everything around you, can make huge dollars, can often work independently (ie: you're the boss) and are always going to be in demand on some level (the specific trades might shift a bit).

What's sad is the attitude many have about this kind of work IMO. Farming is the same deal. Farming is hard ass work, but it's vitally important for survival.

Did you ever consider that perhaps the people you are "protecting" over there are being shot at because you're sitting beside them "protecting" them?
 

greenswag

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Sadly trade schools are the way to go? Tradesmen literally built everything around you, can make huge dollars, can often work independently (ie: you're the boss) and are always going to be in demand on some level (the specific trades might shift a bit).

What's sad is the attitude many have about this kind of work IMO. Farming is the same deal. Farming is hard ass work, but it's vitally important for survival.

Did you ever consider that perhaps the people you are "protecting" over there are being shot at because you're sitting beside them "protecting" them?

I live in the boons, everyone around me is either a tradesmen or farmer with other jobs being an exception. I know theres fantastic money in it and it also helps later because you can do things without paying others, I know the importance and benefits of it, but not everyone wants to be a tradesmen and there are other jobs out there that need to be filled which require 4 years and up of college to do. That's why I brought it up, trust me I'm not talking down on the trade schools, I plan on going to MMI (motorcycle mechanics institute) when I'm done with the marines.

Good point, I agree, but you know that isn't always the case as has been said earlier in the thread. I also started out by saying that I too sometimes feel we shouldn't even be there.

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themanwiththeplan

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For some people though, that's just not realistic. Circumstances don't permit it..

It's honestly, the only way to pay for higher education.


I agree with you, the Marines or Army is probably a bad idea if you want to get an education as your first priority. The Navy, Air Force or Coast Guard is probably a good idea, or at least a better idea. Those branches require higher scores on the ASVAB though.

Why didn't your relative choose one of those branches instead?
the person im referring to had enough cash to pay for majority if not all the schooling they needed.

the problem was they were an idiot and blew it all on fun and games like a fool.


i still dont see how they thought the army would just put them thru basic then pay for their school and say "thanks a lot...here you go. have a nice life"

i tried explaining thats not how it works...thats how they are now going to be in afghanistan.

i told them: if u woulda believed me you wouldnt feel so lied to now that ur being shipped off to a 3rd world shit hole
 

Padawanbater2

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the person im referring to had enough cash to pay for majority if not all the schooling they needed.

the problem was they were an idiot and blew it all on fun and games like a fool.


i still dont see how they thought the army would just put them thru basic then pay for their school and say "thanks a lot...here you go. have a nice life"

i tried explaining thats not how it works...thats how they are now going to be in afghanistan.

i told them: if u woulda believed me you wouldnt feel so lied to now that ur being shipped off to a 3rd world shit hole
Yeah, that sucks, man..

What job did he select int he Army?

They're toning it down in Afghanistan right now, I believe we're out some time in 2014 so he might get lucky and only have to do one tour, then maybe focus on his education.

But you're right, that was a big mistake to waste his money on other things if he'd planned on going to college. Hopefully he learns something from it.
 
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