New leaves are yellow/white, and slow growth in bubble bucket

[Habe]

Hello everybody.

I have tried growing in bubble bucket for some time now, and always my clones reach the same stage and start dying. New leaves start turning yellow/white, and the growth is very slow.

The system is 10 litres bucket, clone is in the rockwool, 5 litres water in the bucket, where i put 3ml of Flora Micro, 3ml Grow, and 3ml bloom. 250w hps, and the temperature is 78 F.

The root growth is very slow, only this one long root coming out of the netpot, water level is little below the netpot. Clones have been in the bucket for 11 days now, not sure what is the normal growth speed in hydro.

PH goes to green, where i lower it back to yellow. I check it once a day. I dont own digital PH tester.

I like this hobby very much, but always this same problem comes to haunt me.

Here are few pics, if it helps to solve the problem.

 

[Taviddude]

Hello everybody.

I dont own digital PH tester.

And that's your problem. Get yourself a cheap one off ebay. 20 bucks to end continuous failure, frustration, wasted time and money.
You NEED a PH meter for hydro.

 

[tibberous]

The temperature should not be 78 degrees! You need to get it to 70 max, if you can't, grow soil.

I've never used Flora anything, but are you sure your supposed to put in 3ml of bloom, micro and grow? That doesn't sound at all right...

PH solution works great, and doesn't need calibrated, you just got to know how to use it. Doesn't matter, all you'll keep alive at 78 degrees is a tropical fish.

 

[hydrosoil78]

they are too far from the light or something, they have chlorosis (chlorophyll disease), and you should have more white roots. If you could remove the brown dead roots and transplant into soil pots it might help. that yellow or white leaf color tells me its all dead material that will not be able to grow back. using bloom and grow nutrients together for small plants could cause problems too

 

[Habe]

Hello. And thank you for replying so fast. The temperature is not the res temp, its the growing closet temperature. I think the brown roots is the BioGrow staining the roots.

The res temp is around 71 F. The bucket is 2.6 gallon, and there is water 1.3 gallon in the bucket. I use 3ml/BioGrow, 3ml/BioBloom and 3ml/BioFlora for the 1.3 gallon of water. In the BioGrow bottle, it says it's for soft water, do i have to worry about that because my tap water is PH8.

The water level was only 0.6 inch from the bottom of the netpot, i set it now that it is 2 inch below. How fast should i see the difference, if that helps. This is my first time on hydro, so i don't know what is the normal root growth speed.

I set the PH yellow 12 hours ago, and now it's bright green. Should i lower it back to yellow, or let it be there for a while before setting it back. PH from my tap water is pretty hard water, it's around 8. I'm going to get digital PH tester, for now i have to make it with the colour scale.

I'm confused with the nutes, is that the righ amount what i'm giving to them, or should i put new water and nutes in.

 

[Habe]

I'm going to change the water in the res. Going to put FloraGrow/2,5ml, FloraBloom/2,5ml and FloraMirco/2,5ml for 2,6 gallons of water.

 

[robert030188]

I wouldn't worry about putting nutes in right now...get your ph set up right...if want a lil easier run try veg+bloom hard water formula on your next grow it auto ph's your water to the needed level...just a thought www.hydroponic-research.com they'll send you a free sample, enough for a couple plants

 

[Habe]

Changed the water in res, i put only water with PH set to 5.5. Flushed the netpot with PH 5.5 water, have to wait couple of days and see if that helps.

 

[justanotherbozo]

...yeah man, you keep having the same issues because you really aren't qualified to be running a system this complicated, when you are new to plants you should look to grow in the simplest manner possible while you learn your way around this hobby.

here are a few threads that can teach you a simple and repeatable method of growing that will allow you the time to become more familiar with the basics.

The Official Hempy Bucket Thread

*The K.I.S.S. Method*

World class cloner new at walmart

...if you study these threads and apply what they offer you are guaranteed success.

peace, bozo

 

[kryptoniteglo]

Well, I started growing in hydro, too. So I don't think it's that hard. However, I grow from seed, not clones. Your set up sounds pretty similar to mine, and you're doing a lot of the things that I do, and I haven't had problems.

Looking at your roots, I can see you have a problem, and I'm wondering if that's related to the cloning. When growing from seed, when the major root is that long there are also tons of smaller roots hanging down. 11 days from seed, and I would have perhaps a shorter main root, but tons of smaller ones, and growth both in root and leaf structure would be vigorous. And by vigorous I mean just about every day you can see a difference.

I don't know what's typical with clones in terms of how their root system grows. Maybe a cloning expert can weigh in on this!

 

[justanotherbozo]

Well, I started growing in hydro, too. So I don't think it's that hard. However, I grow from seed, not clones. Your set up sounds pretty similar to mine, and you're doing a lot of the things that I do, and I haven't had problems.

Looking at your roots, I can see you have a problem, and I'm wondering if that's related to the cloning. When growing from seed, when the major root is that long there are also tons of smaller roots hanging down. 11 days from seed, and I would have perhaps a shorter main root, but tons of smaller ones, and growth both in root and leaf structure would be vigorous. And by vigorous I mean just about every day you can see a difference.

I don't know what's typical with clones in terms of how their root system grows. Maybe a cloning expert can weigh in on this!

...if you're new AND you're lucky this kind of setup is ok but, when things go wrong, new people don't know enough to figure out why or what to do to fix it, ...as you demonstrate with your post offering no helpful info, ...so far at least, you have been lucky.







peace, bozo

 

[kryptoniteglo]

...if you're new AND you're lucky this kind of setup is ok but, when things go wrong, new people don't know enough to figure out why or what to do to fix it, ...as you demonstrate with your post offering no helpful info, ...so far at least, you have been lucky.

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peace, bozo

My apologies -- I thought I was being helpful. Hydro isn't rocket science. But if you're scientifically minded it's a lot easier than soil, when you "water it when it looks dry." What does that mean? Dryness as a visual characteristic is fairly subjective. But stick a meter in some water and measure the ph and ppms -- that's a no-brainer. How easy is that? 800 ppms good. 1000 ppms not so good. Fix it back to 800ppms. Nice, easy, simple rules.

I didn't think the poster needed to be told he's a dolt for trying hydro. It might suit his personality and thought process. It does mine. So I was merely offering some reassurance and an example that it doesn't have to be the big scary growing technique that people make it out to be.

And I thought I excused my ignorance vis a vis the cloning variable by saying I've never dealt with a clone.

So maybe it wasn't helpful in the sense that I was able to fix his problem, but I do think it was supportive. And that can be helpful, too.

 

[justanotherbozo]

My apologies -- I thought I was being helpful. Hydro isn't rocket science. But if you're scientifically minded it's a lot easier than soil, when you "water it when it looks dry." What does that mean? Dryness as a visual characteristic is fairly subjective. But stick a meter in some water and measure the ph and ppms -- that's a no-brainer. How easy is that? 800 ppms good. 1000 ppms not so good. Fix it back to 800ppms. Nice, easy, simple rules.

I didn't think the poster needed to be told he's a dolt for trying hydro. It might suit his personality and thought process. It does mine. So I was merely offering some reassurance and an example that it doesn't have to be the big scary growing technique that people make it out to be.

And I thought I excused my ignorance vis a vis the cloning variable by saying I've never dealt with a clone.

So maybe it wasn't helpful in the sense that I was able to fix his problem, but I do think it was supportive. And that can be helpful, too.

...nobody called the original poster a dolt.

 

[Habe]

Haven't figured out what the problem is, the plant is turning more yellow and the leaves are drying. I was thinking if the problem is, at the beginning when i put the clones in the bubbler, i put the long root what was coming out of the rockwool straight in the water, so it wasn't growing any new roots. Could it be so?

Now i took the netpot out, squeezed the extra water out of the rockwool, and put the long root in the netpot so there is no roots now outside the netpot, i was hoping it would now make more new roots, cause they start searching for water. In the netpot there was new white roots, growing around the rockwool, hope they start growing more.

Also i was thinking could i start using lucas formula, my friend told me that's much more easy. Now in the bucket there's only PH adjusted water, 2 inch below the netpot, and no roots in the water yet. Didn't see any signs of root rot.

I let you know if this helps.

 

[drolove]

sulfur issue possibly??

 

[robert030188]

Aw man thats where you screwed up your roots should never be submerged in water your roots should be 1-2 inches above water...never submerge roots they wil drown

 

[Habe]

Ok. I think that's the problem, i have now tried three times for clones that my friend gave me. Always put the long root straight in the water, and this is the third time now the same thing happens. Feel pretty stupid now, should have pay more attention.

Now that i put the roots in the netpot as it should be, and the water is 2 inch below netpot, can it still start growing, or is it too late now?

 

[robert030188]

She might make a bounce back but you said she's already showing new roots right? If new ones are coming in she'll come back you'll just have to let her veg a lil longer to bring the roots back

 

[justanotherbozo]

Aw man thats where you screwed up your roots should never be submerged in water your roots should be 1-2 inches above water...never submerge roots they wil drown

...you should really stop giving advice until you know what you're talking about.

Ok. I think that's the problem, i have now tried three times for clones that my friend gave me. Always put the long root straight in the water, and this is the third time now the same thing happens. Feel pretty stupid now, should have pay more attention.

Now that i put the roots in the netpot as it should be, and the water is 2 inch below netpot, can it still start growing, or is it too late now?

that guy is dead wrong about your roots man, it's only when you're rooting clones that you want the bottom of the stem above the water, in DWC your roots are supposed to grow long enough to dangle in your res at first and hopefully, completely fill your res with roots by the finish, with ebb and flow or flood and drain your roots get completely submerged with every flooding, it's only aero-ponics and fog-ponics where the roots aren't submerged periodically or completely.

...i'm no hydro expert man but i know enough to know this and i'm telling you your problem stems from some kind of nutrient lockout probably caused by a ph issue, ...if you want to stop suffering this recurring problem go read those threads i linked you to and start studying, it'll probably take you a week to read through them but by the end of that week you will finally be in possession of a simple formula for success.

...believe this, it is far better to learn to hunt for your answers than it is to rely on random answers to your questions that may or may not be correct, ....i've offered you a way to stop this cycle of frustration but it requires you to take charge and until you do, this shit will just keep happening to you, ...you're not ready for active hydro, there's no shame in that.

peace, bozo

 

[robert030188]

Bozo you are incorrect seeing as he just told us it was a clone and he submerged the whole long root...i never said anything about after the plant gets bigger....since putting the roots 2 inches away he has new root growth and your gonna tell me im wrong? Their supposed to reach for the water by itself, after they touch water they should barely be in it for the remainder of the time being...he should follow my advice cuz their doesn't need to be nutes when the plant is this young....You suffocated the roots...