How many of you are going to bitch about Obama care after 2016?
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ChesusRice
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IF Mitt Romney’s pivots on President’s Obama’s health care reform act have accelerated to a blur — from repealing on Day 1, to preserving this or that piece, to punting the decision to the states — it is for an odd reason buried beneath two and a half years of Republican political condemnations: the architecture of the Affordable Care Act is based on conservative, not liberal, ideas about individual responsibility and the power of market forces. This fundamental ideological paradox, drowned out by partisan shouting since before the plan’s passage in 2010, explains why Obamacare has only lukewarm support from many liberals, who wanted a real, not imagined, “government takeover of health care.” It explains why Republicans have been unable since its passage to come up with anything better. And it explains why the law is nearly identical in design to the legislation Mr. Romney passed in Massachusetts while governor.
The core drivers of the health care act are market principles formulated by conservative economists, designed to correct structural flaws in our health insurance system — principles originally embraced by Republicans as a market alternative to the Clinton plan in the early 1990s. The president’s program extends the current health care system — mostly employer-based coverage, administered by commercial health insurers, with care delivered by fee-for-service doctors and hospitals — by removing the biggest obstacles to that system’s functioning like a competitive marketplace.
NLXSK1
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I am not a Republican Chesus....
The promises made about Obamacare (it will lower costs) (it will cost under a trillion dollars) (you can keep your doctor) are all lies. They are provably false already shown by higher health care costs, CBO estimates and companies lining up to drop private healthcare.
If it was what was promised at least there would be merit to it. However, nothing that was promised is going to come true.
It is a huge entitlement plan designed to funnel money from private employers and private individuals to the government to be re-distributed to the poor in the form of healthcare services run by the already bloated government. It was designed to leverage healthcare to the point that private insurers will drop out of the market and force a single payer healthcare plan on every American that cannot afford to pay for private healthcare.
ChesusRice
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My wife is underwriting a policy for the insurance exchange right now.
It's going to be cheaper
So STFU
ChesusRice
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Suck it up Your Guys lost
desert dude
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I think it will become increasingly apparent that those who pay the bills lost.
ChesusRice
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You said you were retired
What do you contribute to this world other than consumption and viagra
UncleBuck
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whatever you say, willard.
NoGutsGrower
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My wife does MDS* and she says NObama care so I stand by her (I'm really sick so I should know more about it but her word is good enough for me)! MDS is how the nursing facilities get paid from the government. I don't want costs going up when I'm old have less money and even more medical problems.
*Minimum Data Set (MDS) is a key tool in the process of assessing the functional capabilities of residents of certified nursing facilities. MDS coordinators, also known as nurse assessment coordinators, use these results to formulate and implement individual care plans for residents. This process is a carefully documented clinical assessment of patients, and sent electronically to the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
*Minimum Data Set (MDS) is a key tool in the process of assessing the functional capabilities of residents of certified nursing facilities. MDS coordinators, also known as nurse assessment coordinators, use these results to formulate and implement individual care plans for residents. This process is a carefully documented clinical assessment of patients, and sent electronically to the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
ChesusRice
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Nursing Home Abuse
Owner Cheats Government and
Neglects Residents
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/nursing-home_050812
ChesusRice
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[h=1]Report warns of possible Medicare fraud in nursing homes[/h]
By Sam Baker - 07/15/11 10:52 AM ET
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/medicare/171745-report-warns-of-possible-medicare-fraud-in-nursing-homes#ixzz2HRirB3mu
ginwilly
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I wish you would stop saying that. The original mandate proposed by Heritage (since denounced) was for catastrophic insurance only. They did not suggest giving big pharma a free reign. They did not propose to tax every piece of medical equipment over 100 bucks and tell us costs will come down. It was a panic idea to fight Hillarycare and the majority of republicans denounced it.
There is thousands of pages of shit. Part of the supposed cost reduction was an assumption that taking over student loans would somehow make people pay them back at 100%. Sound like Heritage to you? The doctor fix is a quarter trillion dollar medicare cost toward healthcare that is not counted in the bill. So we don't count a huge doctor fix as healthcare costs but we count student loan repayment as healthcare savings.
ginwilly
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Yeah but you said that 700 billion dollar medicare cut in Obamacare (after you said it wasn't there of course) was just the waste and fraud. So this won't happen anymore.
UncleBuck
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never heard obama make that ridiculous claim. i have heard him talk about how banks no longer get to make the money while the government takes all the risk.
ginwilly
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He sure didn't deny when the CBO had to score it that way. You remember any of the guys saying we have to score it the way it's written? I wish some of the CBO guys would post here incognito, I bet we would all be sick at what they expose.
Having said that, no, I'm sure Obama never said anything like that. All he talked about was rainbows and unicorns and how it would lower costs, be deficit neutral and all negotiations would be on CSPAN. He never read it.
UncleBuck
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you seem kinda bitter.
ginwilly
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I think what epitomized this bill more than anything was an aspect of the HITECH part called password complexity. It was based on any dos based electronic medical records making a requirement (with millions of tax payer dollars as incentive) that the password MUST be in the form of NAAAAAA. 1 number followed by 6 letters EXACTLY. This had to be done by 2010 to get the monies. You should have seen the look on people's faces when we told them "no, your old password of #ZZ9q!!aFa23 doesn't meet password complexity rules in Obamacare. Your new password needs to be in the form of 1summer or 4NURSING (not case sensitive). This is only for DOS based emr, windows based passwords were less stringent, over 6 characters containing atleast a number, a capital letter and lower case, special characters were case dependent.
seriously, password complexity as mandated by our government.
seriously, password complexity as mandated by our government.
ginwilly
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little bit yeah, but it's diminishing over time. I'd say it's more like defeated disappointed acceptance now.
Our country was in the perfect position to do something about problems with our healthcare system. Seeing the idiocy that was passed was real downer. Hearing the idiots talk about how great it is is downright depressing.
Edit: I finally grew out some freebies I never heard of and just tried something called MK Ultra. I'm pleasantly surprised and no longer bitter
cannabineer
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He did, but he also wrote a famous letter to Roosevelt urging him to authorize a bomb-building program. The Germans were looking like they had both the capacity and intent to build an atom bomb. It turned out much later that they didn't pursue the effort hard enough to have made a difference, but by then we'd committed most of the money to acquiring the materials and a pair of working designs.
Einstein's physics were almost entirely irrelevant to the bombmaking project. He specified the mass/energy ratio, but didn't contribute materially to the actual principles and engineering of nuclear fission. That fell to folks like Fermi and Szilard as well as the more managerial Oppenheimer and Teller. cn
NoGutsGrower
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LOL...... REALLY? It's all nursing homes faults now... they are stealing all the money..... They are the reason costs are going up... They are the only fraud going on in the system... Hmmm? What was the point of posting those links? They did nothing to make a case for oboma care. They really just make you look like an idiot! Do you even read you own links???
Key word there is SOME! It is also pretty easy to spot when a company is over charging for those specific things that's why they get busted. They aren't the money gushers that are driving prices up, the fraud that goes on in SOME of the places is a very very very small piece of the pie!
Medicare does not cover a patient's stay in a nursing home but does pay for certain, specific procedures during the stay. One category of services includes drug treatments, medical equipment and other supplies. Some nursing homes were paid more than three times the national average for those services, the OIG said.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/medicare/171745-report-warns-of-possible-medicare-fraud-in-nursing-homes#ixzz2HSqpAHPj