UncleBuck
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non GMO food with GMO additive = GMO food product.
they should be conflated about 85% of the time or more, depending on where you shop.
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they should be conflated about 85% of the time or more, depending on where you shop.
ginjawarrior
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no your article is showing the creators of the flavorsaver tomato CalgeneOh no?? The internet is calling you a liar again
Throwing Biotech Lies at Tomatoes – Part 1: Killer Tomatoes
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_61930.shtml
Remember the pictures of the fish tomatoes? For years they were an unofficial emblem of the anti-GMO movement. They depicted how anti- freeze genes from an Arctic fish were forced into tomato DNA, allowing the plants to survive frost. Scientists really did create those Frankentomatoes, but they were never put on the market. (Breyers low- fat ice cream, however, does contain anti-freeze proteins from Arctic fish genes, but that’s another story.)
The tomato that did make it to market was called the Flavr Savr, engineered for longer shelf life. Fortunately, it was removed from the shelves soon after it was introduced.
Although there are no longer any genetically modified (GM) tomatoes being sold today, the FDA’s shady approval process of the Flavr Savr provides a lesson in food safety—or rather, the lack of it—as far as gene-spliced foods are concerned. We know what reallywent on during the FDA’s voluntary review process of the Flavr Savr in 1993, because a lawsuit forced the release of 44,000 agency memos.
(Those same memos, by the way, also showed that FDA scientists had repeatedly warned their superiors about the serious health risks of genetically modified organisms [GMOs]. They were ignored by the political appointees in charge, who allow GMOs onto the market without any required safety studies.)
Bleeding stomachs
Calgene, the tomatoes’ creator-in-chief (now a part of Monsanto), voluntarily conducted three 28-day rat feeding studies. Before I share the gory details, I must commend the Calgene scientists who were committed to transparency and full disclosure with the FDA. Unlike all other subsequent voluntary submissions from biotech firms to the agency, Calgene provided detailed feeding study data and full reports. Dr. Belinda Martineau, one of Calgene’s tomato makers, writes in First Fruit about their commitment to an open process while they attempted to introduce the world’s first GM food crop.
Calgene tested two separate Flavr Savr tomato lines. Both had the same gene inserted into the same type of tomato. The process of insertion and the subsequent cloning of the cells into GM plants can cause lots of unique and unpredicted consequences. The two lines, therefore, were notconsidered identical.
The rats that ate one of these Flavr Savr varieties probably wished they were in a different test group. Out of 20 female rats, 7 developed stomach lesions—bleeding stomachs. The rats eating the other Flavr Savr, or the natural tomatoes, or no tomatoes at all, had no lesions.
If we humans had such effects in our stomachs, according to Dr. Arpad Pusztai, a top GMO safety and animal feeding expert, it “could lead to life-endangering hemorrhage, particularly in the elderly who use aspirin to prevent thrombosis.”
The lab that performed the study for Calgene acknowledged that the results “did suggest a possible treatment related” problem. FDA scientists repeatedly asked Calgene to provide additional data in order to resolve what they regarded as outstanding safety questions. The director of FDA’s Office of Special Research Skills wrote that thetomatoes did not demonstrate a “reasonable certainty of no harm,” which is the normal standard of safety. The Additives Evaluation Branch agreed that “unresolved questions still remain,” and the staff pathologist stated, “In the absence of adequate explanations by Calgene, the issues raised by the Pathology Branch … remain and leave doubts as to the validity of any scientific conclusion(s) which may be drawn from the studies’ findings.”
Oh yeah, some rats died
The team that had obtained the formerly secret FDA documents sent the full Flavr Savr studies to Dr. Pusztai for review and comment. While reading them, he happened across an endnote that apparently the FDA scientists either did not see or chose to ignore. The text nonchalantly indicated that 7 of the 40 rats fed the Flavr Savr tomato died within two weeks. The dead rats had eaten the same tomato line as those that developed lesions. In the other groups, fed the other Flavr Savr line, a natural tomato control, or a water control, only one rat had died.
But the endnote summarily dismissed the cause of death as husbandry error, and no additional data or explanation was provided. The dead rats were simply replaced with new ones.
When I discussed this finding with Dr. Pusztai over the phone, he was beside himself. He told me emphatically that in proper studies, younever just dismiss the cause of death with an unsupported footnote. He said that the details of the post mortem analysis must be included in order to rule out possible causes or to raise questions for additional research. Furthermore, you simply never replace test animals once the research begins.
fish tomatos were bred by DNA Plant Technology
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
you back to comparing processed food for non processed food
havent we just worked out that you cannot do that and be honest about it?
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
you can say this is processed food it has GMO in it
but you cannot say processed food = gmo
or gmo= processed food
as you wouldnt be right 100% of the time
Ninjabowler
Well-Known Member
So now monsanto owns the people that made the fish tomato. And this is supposed to mke me put more faith in monsanto how exactly?
echelon1k1
New Member
I don't think he understands the difference... Glyphosphates bro - might as well shot 30ml of mercury...
Ginja - GMO wheat milled into flour, used to make bread equals a GM Food Product...
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
i know that i have not argued against it ok?
it is also processed food
comparing a processed loaf of bread to a hand baked loaf of bread is closer to the arguement
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
at least ginja and i disagree in a reasonable way. he concedes basically all that i would think is reasonable to concede.
it's a little different than arguing with people who tell me al gore spearheaded a decades in the making hoax involving thousands of scientists in dozens of nations and was only foiled by rush limbaugh and low flush toilets.
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
no monsanto does not own the fish tomato company
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
glyphosate is less toxic than caffeine in humans.
if you chug a bottle of glyphosate youll get sick from the surfactants (basically dishsoap) long before youll be able to get a dangerous dose of the herbicide.
you know not whereof you speak.
http://www.cdms.net/ldat/mp7RD001.pdf
LD50 for glyphosate is 5000mg/kg.
the most dangerous part of glyphosate is the possibility that if spilled on a hard surface someone may slip and fall on their butt.
Ninjabowler
Well-Known Member
So they just own the creator? The person who created it? Are you trying to say you cant make nike shoes in any factory you want?
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
monsanto doesnt not own every GMO company
monsanto do not own fish tomato and they do not own the creator of fishtomato
calgene the one that you posted grew the flavrsavor and is now owned by monsanto
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
well reasonable to an extent
your still being dishoenst with "your body knows the difference between gmo peas and non gmo peas"
concession can be a 2 way street you know
Ninjabowler
Well-Known Member
So they own the fish tomato company. You just said they didnt own the company, now your saying they do wtf man? Your floppin like a flounder on this one.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
that's a part where we've already agreed to disagree with concessions.well reasonable to an extent
your still being dishoenst with "your body knows the difference between gmo peas and non gmo peas"
concession can be a 2 way street you know
we both agree that there is not enough info yet. you seem to think they are one in the same nutritionally, i disagree and will await the science. if the science never comes in, i'll be happy to concede. too early for me yet.
echelon1k1
New Member
Everytime I read one of your posts I laugh at your ignorance... Honestly there are children out there that can research and present better arguments than you.
You're proof positive the Glyphosphates can fuck your neurons... Did you prove it's safety by ingesting it? Are you that stupid to think the danger it poses is limited to a trip hazzard?
Only a full retard would think an MSDS suffices in defence of your position. Monsanto guilty of chemical poisoning in France
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potpimp
Sector 5 Moderator
Obviously GMO foods makes you completely retarded, as proven by ginsuwarrior. Enough scientific proof of that here for any prudent person but instead of checking out the claims for himself he sanctimoniously rejects any notion that conflicts his own Monsanto paid-for agenda. You have to ask yourself why anyone would so staunchly vilify research that results in condemning GMO and Monsanto; the only logical reason is that the person is on the payroll of Monsanto. Seriously, it makes no sense to fight so long and hard to promote GMO and defend one of the most evil companies on earth - unless you're on the clock. Mutations are never for the better; they can appear better at first but then the law of unintended consequences kicks in and you eventually see the down side, as is always the case in GMO phoods.
If they were legitimate, why have they bought their way into the FDA? Because if they were not in a position of authority they could never have passed this garbage off as safe. Nearly every one of the FDA hierarchy is a former Monsanto executive. This is a classic case of the fox "guarding" the hen house.
If they were legitimate, why have they bought their way into the FDA? Because if they were not in a position of authority they could never have passed this garbage off as safe. Nearly every one of the FDA hierarchy is a former Monsanto executive. This is a classic case of the fox "guarding" the hen house.
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
your ignoring where i said you were being dishonest about automatically calling processed food GMO and comparing that processed food to home cooked "farm fresh meal"
not so reasonable after all
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
you seem to have gotten yourself stuck with your reading
please go back an review the information thats been posted