Molasses Flush

[chuck estevez]

let me help your retarded ass,

EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) is an amino acid compound, a powerful chelating agent - meaning it attaches to plaque build up and heavy metals and removes them naturally from the body. EDTA is recognized by the body and easily assimilated.

EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid). The EDTA molecule can bind to metal ions by forming six bonds to it - two from nitrogen atoms in amino groups and four from oxygen atoms in carboxyl groups.

When divalent metals (such as lead, mercury, cadmium, aluminum, calcium etc.) are chelated by EDTA, the original electromagnetic attraction is lost, and the fatty debris is dissolved by circulating blood and metabolized. The metal EDTA molecule, now inactive and non toxic, is carried by the blood until it passes through the kidneys. It then is removed from the body via the urine.

The solid sticky plaque goes into solution and is harmlessly removed. By this unique mechanism, dangerous solids are converted to a liquid, then transported away to be eliminated. This is a natural, normal phenomenon of body chemistry.

 

[kr4x]

chuck so do you say to use molasses to flush or don't flush at all?

 

[chuck estevez]

chuck so do you say to use molasses to flush or don't flush at all?

if you have over fed and need to fix problems, then you flush to fix those problems, if you have kept your plant healthy, you should not have anything to flush out. Using molasses is for feeding microbes in organic soil, that's it,nothing else. So, as I said before. if organic, continue to keep your microbes happy with molasses and teas. if using chemical nutes, Don't bother with molasses and feed properly. pretty simple stuff.

 

[chuck estevez]

Another dumb ass follower of that Uncle Popcorn, how many sock puppets can one guy have?

Just to let you know, so when the Cancer is racing through your body you'll know. Organic or chemical ferts all have heavy metals and heavy metals are the cause of many ailments. Flushing or not we are all ingesting these when intaking product. By flushing you lessen the intake.

Between the fertilizers and the bug sprays you use...let me know where to send the flowers

I'll make sure they are flushed properly for you boyfriend.

Are you seriously trying to claim that plants absorb heavy metals and you can wash those out by giving a plant plain water for 2 weeks?

see how retarded that sounds, even your cronie says flushing only removes stuff from the soil, NOT THE PLANT. and your so dumb, you don't even know what a sock puppet is, yet you use it like you do.

 

[REALSTYLES]

Another dumb ass follower of that Uncle Popcorn, how many sock puppets can one guy have?

Just to let you know, so when the Cancer is racing through your body you'll know. Organic or chemical ferts all have heavy metals and heavy metals are the cause of many ailments. Flushing or not we are all ingesting these when intaking product. By flushing you lessen the intake.

Between the fertilizers and the bug sprays you use...let me know where to send the flowers

I'll make sure they are flushed properly for you boyfriend.

Are you seriously trying to claim that plants absorb heavy metals and you can wash those out by giving a plant plain water for 2 weeks?

see how retarded that sounds, even your cronie says flushing only removes stuff from the soil, NOT THE PLANT. and your so dumb, you don't even know what a sock puppet is, yet you use it like you do.

I see you still on here being an ass to people. Why?

 

[chuck estevez]

I see you still on here being an ass to people. Why?

just dispelling stupid forum fodder. Who appointed you moderator?

 

[kr4x]

if you have over fed and need to fix problems, then you flush to fix those problems, if you have kept your plant healthy, you should not have anything to flush out. Using molasses is for feeding microbes in organic soil, that's it,nothing else. So, as I said before. if organic, continue to keep your microbes happy with molasses and teas. if using chemical nutes, Don't bother with molasses and feed properly. pretty simple stuff.

thank you!

 

[Rancho Cucamonga]

If you use chemical nutrients the whole grow, say 16weeks. How does flushing the soil the last 2 weeks cancel out the 14weeks of using chemical nutrients? These chemical nutrients were used to build the plant. right?

It's simple.

You flush the soil with water or water and some silly flushing agent to rid the soil of salts and nutes, but mostly to rid it of nutes. This way the roots can no longer take up nutes and it forces the plant to fed off itself using up much of the nutes it has stored. It doesn't change the fact you fed your plant chemicals all it's life, those nutes have been used up, it's about knowing when your plant has had enough and helping it along to it's afterlife.

Many don't flush with both chem and organics, but I sure do. From experience it produces better tasting bud. So just experiment with both and then decide, don't listen to me or anyone else. Figure it out yourself.

 

[Rancho Cucamonga]

yeah, see, bottom line is this, if using chemical nutes, molasses is probably pointless as there are no microbes to feed. If you are feeding properly and not overfeeding P and K in flower, you shouldn't have to leach anything.
there is a difference between chemical nutes and organic soil and even soiless mediums. I would feed water feed in soil and increase ppms as I go, but in soiless, i feed,feed,feed at a medium ppm. if I was growing organic. I would innoculate.

"molasses is probably pointless as there are no microbes to feed."

Absolute nonsense!

Microbes are bacteria, bacteria can live and thrive in chemical environments. Half of all nute lines are a mix of chem and organics. Get your head out of your ass and admit when you are wrong. Jackass.

 

[kr4x]

lol it just keeps going back and forth, fuck it im doing my own damn thing!

 

[chuck estevez]

"molasses is probably pointless as there are no microbes to feed."

Absolute nonsense!

Microbes are bacteria, bacteria can live and thrive in chemical environments. Half of all nute lines are a mix of chem and organics. Get your head out of your ass and admit when you are wrong. Jackass.

Please show me a soil web in a pot of dirt that has been fed chem nutes. you are so far off and talking out of your ass.AGAIN,look up chelating agents and what they do and why chem nutes use them.

say you overfeed and have nute burn, now you flush the soil to rid it of the excess nutes, do those leaves that were fried come back to life? Does the yellow burnt tips miraculosly turn green again?no they die and the plant produces new growth, so you didn't flush anything out of the plant. what don't you understand about that?

 

[chuck estevez]

HAVE TO LOVE THIS, THE FIRST LINE FROM 'Teaming with microbes"

The 2011 Garden Writers of America Gold Award for Best Writing/Book proves soil is anything but an inert substance. Healthy soil is teeming with life -- not just earthworms and insects, but a staggering multitude of bacteria, fungi, and other microorganisms. When we use chemical fertilizers, we injure the microbial life that sustains healthy plants, and thus become increasingly dependent on an arsenal of artificial substances.


SO SUCK IT LOSER.

 

[gagekko]

Make a molasses mixture and let it sit out overnight - it will start to ferment.... Pretty sure fermentation and the process consists of bacterias and microbes... So why would these microbes and bacterias not cling to the roots? I feed Flora series with molasses - these nutes do not stop this process.

 

[chuck estevez]

Make a molasses mixture and let it sit out overnight - it will start to ferment.... Pretty sure fermentation and the process consists of bacterias and microbes... So why would these microbes and bacterias not cling to the roots? I feed Flora series with molasses - these nutes do not stop this process.

I highly suggest you and the other misinformed parties should read the book, Teaming with microbes". then you would all just not make stupid comments.

 

[gagekko]

I highly suggest you and the other misinformed parties should read the book, Teaming with microbes". then you would all just not make stupid comments.

You didn't answer my question... How come the Flora series products don't prevent molasses from fermenting like you say it would?

 

[chuck estevez]

You didn't answer my question... How come the Flora series products don't prevent molasses from fermenting like you say it would?

What don't you understand? I guarantee if your using synthetic nutes, you DO NOT have a soilweb growing.

 

[gagekko]

What don't you understand? I guarantee if your using synthetic nutes, you DO NOT have a soilweb growing.

Haha, sure I do... They might not be thriving as much as they would be in an organic grow but they are there. If "chemical" nutes killed all bacteria and microbes, then it would be impossible for the fermentation process to take place - but it does... Unless you are stating that the microbes and bacteria in the fermentation process are super microbes/bacteria

 

[Rancho Cucamonga]

I'm just going to end my posting here on this thread with the following.

If you have any botany and/or growing experience you should know that most chemical ferts used in proper(not excessive) doses does not kill microbes. Not only doesn't it not kill them, but most of the time the microbes will react positively to them and continue with the normal decaying process. Now chuck here wants to look like a pro and sound intelligent, maybe some copy and pasting IDK, but when I start to hear someone talk about ions and molecules yet they failed to even get the basics right, I have to wonder how much they really know, or don't know.

To the original question, no, you do not need to use molasses to flush or water you rplants the last week of their life, unless used from early flower molasses will have no time to be beneficial to your plants.

 

[chuck estevez]

Haha, sure I do... They might not be thriving as much as they would be in an organic grow but they are there. If "chemical" nutes killed all bacteria and microbes, then it would be impossible for the fermentation process to take place - but it does... Unless you are stating that the microbes and bacteria in the fermentation process are super microbes/bacteria

look, in a soilweb, you have fungi's like myko's, the molasses feeds this fungi which is what attaches to the roots, If you are using chemical nutes you are harming these fungi's and causing the plant to become more dependent on the chemicals. it's the first line in the book.

 

[chuck estevez]

I'm just going to end my posting here on this thread with the following.

If you have any botany and/or growing experience you should know that most chemical ferts used in proper(not excessive) doses does not kill microbes. Not only doesn't it not kill them, but most of the time the microbes will react positively to them and continue with the normal decaying process. Now chuck here wants to look like a pro and sound intelligent, maybe some copy and pasting IDK, but when I start to hear someone talk about ions and molecules yet they failed to even get the basics right, I have to wonder how much they really know, or don't know.

To the original question, no, you do not need to use molasses to flush or water you rplants the last week of their life, unless used from early flower molasses will have no time to be beneficial to your plants.

You just got faced, you think you know more than the book on microbes? Good, go away fool,before i make you look more stupid.