actual benefits of super cropping ??????

[jojaxx]

Was up all night reading wut ever I could find on super cropping & ran across some interesting posts. I know ppl use it as a for of LSTing to keep plants low in order to get more light to lower bud spots/nodes. What interest me were the few (not many) posts that I found that claimed bigger fatter buds from doing this. It was said that by creating the break in the branch it causes a "knuckle" & a rush of nutrients, water & hormones to the areas beyond the break point creating thicker branches & buds.
Some do it in early veg, some a couple weeks b4 flowering & some even in early flower. I figured id experiment to get a few answer on my own so I decided to give it a try on the Black Russian I have vegging. She's about 1' & topped with 4 main braches that have all been super cropped. I also have a Pineapple Express 2 weeks into flower (scrog), so I picked a few taller braches & gave them a go. These were my 1st every super cropping attempts so yup, I snapped a couple branches so had to get the duct tape out. Anyway I'll have some sort of answer soon enuff but in the mean time id like to hear from all U super croppers out there with vast knowledge of this. Let us all know.....is super cropping MORE than just a form of LSTing ?....THANX

 

[mrmarcusdaballa]

absolutely works...be aware some plants are harder to do this to as to some naturally wanting to grow straight up...but the ones that do with no problem are sweet...heavy yields as long as you trim off most smaller low branches and focus on those in direct light....good luck...

 

[mrmarcusdaballa]

better to start super cropping at the week before beginning flowering or during the first 2 weeks so they can support the weight of buds produced...if you bend lait the buds being produced will be too mutch for the branch and it wont heal the way it should...when done correctly, it pays off 3 fold

 

[jojaxx]

thanx, nice to know....I can't wait to see the results of wut I've done....lol....its only been 7 hours since I tried my hand @ supper cropping a few branches on 2 of my plants, 1 in veg & 1 just starting to put out small flowers. The cropped braches on both have begun to lift their heads back up. The flowering 1 is in a waterfarm with a 400w hps & the other is in soil with cfl's for next few weeks......another question is, does this work better in any particular medium ?...thanx again

 

[420skyhigh420]

hey guys wanted to jump in been readin the post i have a question bout the super crop so what you do is bend the branch but not break it all the way correct im runnin 20 plants as of now 11 purple train wreck and 9 blue chz im doin a few different thing to try out a few topped a few LST... i would like to try super croppin now thanks guys

 

[jojaxx]

I checked a few vids on youtube....U don't just bend, U pinch with thumb & finger, U can actually feel the crunch they speak of & bend where the pinch is.

That's wut I got from wut I saw...I did a few, now just waiting for all the pro super croppers to chime in & let me know the deal with this tech....until the I'll be watching to see wut my plants do.

 

[Mcwhippin420]

Good luck I've only LST and topped my blue dreams I might try it next to around on one

 

[adower]

I tried super cropping the last few times. I would recommend scrog from personal experience.

 

[Malevolence]

I'm gonna talk a little out my ass here cuz I just recently kinda got the hang of it.

LST is low stress training; super cropping is high stress training. That's correct, you crunch the stalk and bend the top down. But you need to keep it tied down a couple days, don't let it pop back up. By keeping the top lower than the other bud sites, the auxin should redistribute to the lower sites and branches. Then untie the top. You can do this during veg to get more vigorous branching. You can do it during 12/12 stretch to try and keep the canopy as level as possible, or train it into a scrog. Some people do it in early flower to redistribute the auxin to lower bud sites and they start to blow the fuck up. Some strains' stalks are harder to crunch and bend over IMO. I mean, this dream lotus I'm growing has a stalk almost like celery... hollow in the middle, fresh crunchy stalk, easy to super crop. Others I have tried to super crop had a more solid stalk, more bendy less crunchy, etc.

Also, the wound heals up making the stalk thicker at that point.

Don't go too crazy or it could heal up with a shredded stalk. Ask me how I know.

 

[jojaxx]

Hey malevolence, thanx for your input ! This super cropping has really peaked my interest. Great info about tying down, some of the 1's I cropped popped rite back up. I have a few others still down so I'll keep an eye on them.

I also have another question....has anyone ever super cropped an auto flower, or know someone who has & wut happened ? Was it beneficial ?

Come on now, still waiting for all those pro cropper to jump in ! I've. Look for a sticky or extesive thread on this & couldn't find either...if anyone knows where either can be found can u let me

 

[legallyflying]

You can get the same effect...redistribution of auxins and more lateral shoot growth without crushing the stem. In extreme cases it can create almost a right angle an it's a weak point, especially with heavy buds.

Don't just start bending willy nilly. You want to create a nice even canopy. Cull that lower shit as wary as possible.

Plan, train, win

 

[jojaxx]

Thanx LF for stopping by this lonely thread...lol...was hoping for a better turn out but aaaaaanyway....I have the LSTing & bending under control, been bending & weaving under scrog screen for a while now.

Wut I'm looking for is confirmation.....Confirmation on the effects of crushing & bending resulting into thicker stems & bigger buds. Maybe some explanation or trial experiances that went either way...I gave it a shot earlier this week but it'll be a bit before I see results...till then just trying to get others thoughts & experiances with this form of stress training

 

[legallyflying]

Absolutely not.

The stem will get thicker at the repair site an their is a rush of activity there to fix the damage..but there is no evolutionary advantage to concentrating flower efforts on a damaged branch so....

It does work for plant roots though. Commercial hardwood growers run a knife about 8" below the surface and cut all the lower roots off of their planted plants after the first year. This stimulates more root growth. I don't trim my roots though, just no need.

If you want to yield big in scrog then you have to cut the main stem early. Cut it above a double pair of branches. Then tie the higher ones down so you get four main stems. These four main stems will grow big, always tie the higher ones down an you will have four large branches that form the base of your plant.

Depending in how big your plants are.. You cut the first one or two branches that come off of ech of those stems. Never keep the outside branches...the ones that are growing sideways or out. Again when the first side branches get larger, tie the main branches down and get those side branches to get big.

I used to let my plants become these huge bushes, then scrog the shit out of them. There would be like 100 bud sites. Now I shoot for around 50-60 bud sites, all with nice thick branches. Much much less popcorn and higher yields in general.

I'll try and post a picture or two but I'm building a new room so not allot of time

 

[ProfessorPotSnob]

It works and the proof is posted below!

 

[jojaxx]

Hey thanx Legally, great info. I really appreciate it, will def give that a shot in the near future.

Professor P....great looking plant !!..just luv the large colas. Now this is exactly why I started this thread. Some1 says super cropping doesn't help fatten buds & then some 1throws up pix & says " YES, it does fatten buds...thanx again to U both.

 

[ilikecheetoes]

i dont see how potsnob is proving supercropping makes fatter nugs. He is proving it doesnt kill your plants and thats about it. I dont see another plant grown in the same room at the same time with the same neuts cloned from the same mother and NOT supercropped to compare it to. Not knocking the grow. It looks great. Awesome even
scientific processes if you are comparing one to the other or its still just hearsay and conjecture.

 

[jojaxx]

Hey ilike, I understand wut your saying but after wut I saw on youtube I can't argue...there was a guy growing chukalope I think he said...warehouse setting, very large growroom with all the bells & whistles & hundreds of the same plant...don't know about them being clones or not. Anyway I believe he said it was his 1st time trying his hand @ super cropping & he was amazed @ how well his super croped plants were coming along. He did half the room, so he had a side that was SC'ed & the other side was left alone. The SC'ed side he was amazed to see better bud production & size, plants looked all around healthier with more life & vigor. He said that he expected things to be the total opposite, with the non cropped side looking better.

 

[legallyflying]

Hey like Cheetos... Why don't you do your own god damn scientific experiment if your so concerned about the difference between SC and Not. Some guy just chimes in to help saying...I found it works and you have to troll in and give him the "your post proves nothing" bullshit

If you were indeed a skilled grower you would know that training is KEY to great yields and that SC and LST are basically the same damn things that have the same affect. One cubes the stem onesies not

This forum would be worlds better if all the "prove it to me" trolls would get off their asses and prove it to themselves and then share with the group. If your such a knowledge seeker than google it yourself. And just as an FYI, not everything in te god damn hniverse has to be proven via the scientific method in oreder to be accepted as fact.

If you step in a puddle to your feet get wet? Can you provide citations of a research paper that proves this phenomenon?

 

[ilikecheetoes]

lol. you mad?
Quit calling it proof when it isnt. Its your opinion, or it worked for you. fine. Its not proof of shit unless there is a control and can be repeated.
And to be fair I just reread the post and he said it works and heres the proof. he didnt say it works better than not doing it and heres the proof. SO my bad.

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

SC controls plant structure, size and use of space. If it increases yield then it helped you make better use of the plants environment. There certainly is no 'rush' of shit through the pinch point. And auxin transfer or not, there are only so many too go around....