Gun nuts shoot and score!

joe macclennan

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Those who resort to slinging insults while trying to get their point across only show how ignorant they really are.
The point you are trying to make is laughable.
[h=1]Conservatism[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to retain") is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions. A person who follows the philosophies of conservatism is referred to as a traditionalist or conservative.
Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others, called reactionaries, oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were




I specifically like the last line. It directly contradicts your statement of
  • The liberal agenda is that of sameness​




It seems you are wrong sir. Or am I being misled by this hocus pocus liberal propaganda platform called wikipedia?
 

joe macclennan

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and then there is liberalism.

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Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[SUP][1][/SUP] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty andequality.[SUP][2][/SUP] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP]



things such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press...... sounds like sameness to me.
 

joe macclennan

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finally to make the polar bear happy we have libertarians

Libertarianism is a set of related political philosophies which emphasize and advocate individual liberty,political freedom, and voluntary association. Libertarians advocate a society with a greatly reduced stateor no state at all.[SUP][1][/SUP]
There is no consensus definition of libertarianism


It would seem these folks don't know what they want. Other than they do not want anything to do with either party.

I may be converted wise polar bear.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Because that's a lie. Liberals are in no way, shape or form, for free trade. Liberals are for "fair" trade, which means reallocation of capital to the "abused."

If that definition were true I'd be a liberal.
 

joe macclennan

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Look canna, we do not have to agree on issues but we should at least agree on the definitions of which we are arguing. I did not make this stuff up. Pulled it directly from wiki. There is no rhetoric in my statements or posts there. Just facts which are commonly accepted.
 

Canna Sylvan

Well-Known Member
I hope Dr. Kynes comes in here and straightens you out. He gets gets off on that sort of thing. Wikipedia is a laughable source.

Richard Dawkings once tried to change an entry in biology which he himself researched. No matter what he tried, the same wrong information was changed back.

See, 14 year old DDOS and script kiddies know more than a world award winning biologist who has spent decades researching a subject.

Just like you!

The fact you went to Wikipedia to "prove me wrong," proves to me you don't know shit.

If you had just asked, I would've told you what you wanted to know. But if you want to be an asshole, so be it.
 

echelon1k1

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Look canna, we do not have to agree on issues but we should at least agree on the definitions of which we are arguing. I did not make this stuff up. Pulled it directly from wiki. There is no rhetoric in my statements or posts there. Just facts which are commonly accepted.
Wiki isn't allowed to be used as a source in high school, and it sure as hell doesn't pass at uni...
 

joe macclennan

Well-Known Member
There you go with the insults again. Thank you for proving my point. I am not trying to be an "asshole"

I shouldn't have to ask you to tell me "what I want to know" the onus is upon yourself to find a more "reputable" source if you disagree with something I have posted. This is how we can progress in this subject.

Or keep with the name calling, and reveal to us all your intelligence on such matters.

I assure you that if you can disprove my opinions about the definitions I have posted I will give you credit and applause.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
he's not really citing wiki, he's citing who wiki cites. which in this case would be friedman, the economist, and others.

but you guys have fun destroying strawmen.
 

fb360

Active Member
soooo, wiki is lying? You should email them. Convince them that they are wrong and I will concede your point.
First off, wiki is user generated...

Secondly, your argument is fallacious because you fail to recognize that there are many more points of view than "liberal" and "conservative".
I've never voted Republican or Democrat for presidency, so what am I Joe? A republocrat?

I wouldn't know, I need wiki to tell me
 

joe macclennan

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First off, wiki is user generated...

Secondly, your argument is fallacious because you fail to recognize that there are many more points of view than "liberal" and "conservative".
I've never voted Republican or Democrat for presidency, so what am I Joe? A republocrat?

I wouldn't know, I need wiki to tell me
you have voted tho?
 

fb360

Active Member
you have voted tho?
Yes, I wrote my name on the line 2x now, and I'm still waiting to hear what party I'm associated with.

One doesn't HAVE to vote republican or democrat. In fact, you can write anyones name on the line. Whether they meet the requirements or not is irrelevant
If we get Romney vs Clinton 2016, I might just write George Washington down on that line
 
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