Is this nutrient burn?

[Ganjafrisk]

I have 2 plants that have the same feeding schedule. Last time I fed was about 5 days ago, but I also foliar feed. For waterings I use between 1/4 and 1/2 strength Jack's Classic 20-20-20 mixed with 1tbsp molasses and 1 tsp Epsom salt all per gallon. I foliar feed every morning with 1/4 strength Jack's with a small amount of dish soap (keeps it from drying so fast). Today i noticed slight curling and what to me looks like a little burn only on one plant. Can anyone confirm this? Also, any ideas on yield if i started flowering now? Plants have been lst'd and topped twice and they both are about 7". Another thing, what about adding Superthrive? I have added once at about week 3 should I do it once more before flowering?

 

[kermit2692]

your doing it all wrong..lol....no reason to foliar feed but if you must be careful..yes you have some tip burn see how each blade is kind of brittle at the tip? thats nute burn the tiniest amount of this is almost good the plant is saying hey ive got enough to eat just a liiiiiittle brown spec at the tip and you know you can continue on that feeding schedule...you are feeding too much a and b your feeding an even all around chemical fertilizer without any micro nutes im guessing so even though you have tip burn you also have a deficiency...dont add salt!!! dont add dish soap!!! the yellowing is either from mssing a micro nute such as magnesium which that kind of looks like, or from the foliar feeding but again i think it looks more like the deficiency. no super thrive. lol your being a mad scientist without having the degree first man. stick to the basics get those plants repotted into an organic better aerated soil because that alone can cause you droopy leaf problems and confusion. then after that (well before really) you need to have bought a nutrient regimen with a full spectrum of nutes imo organic that is made for the plant your growing..this does two things first is your plants will like it better and rarely have a problem that cant be fixed by reading the directions on the nutes the second thing is you now never have to worry about ph i promise! in good soil you are already ph balanced, you should be using water that is from tap and has sat out at least a day not longer than a week which wont change the ph of a medium, and then your better nutes you got are also ph balanced. so good soil (i go straight from the seedling cup to the final pot no reason to repot more than once), proper nutes at a concentration suggested on the package and watching how the plants respond, right pot size, right temp and humidity, a proper light and fan blowing indirectly, and good training makes for no problems....thinking too hard makes for alot of problems!

 

[kermit2692]

oh and get those into seperate pots with the new soil mix or if your afraid to replant them because you dont want to cause adverse effects i suggest getting better soil and top dressing the stuff you have and then training each of those plants away from each other a bit because when you start doing this right those are going to branch out and be in each others face!!!

 

[DrKingGreen]

I use jacks as well. Like he said, no need to add all that other shit to it. It works fine on its own. Def looks like burn. Asking yield questions around here is going to get the older guys to give you shit especially without all specs of your grow (especially light). I had a little yellowing on my babes during veg too. Try using the recommended dose of jacks 202020 and then throwing an 1/8th dose of jacks flower in with it. The 202020 doesn't have mg if I remember correctly. Look on the back of the two though and you will see what I'm talking about with the comparison. Also, I agree with him on the foliar feeding... It's not necessary, although I do put jacks 202020 at 1/8 strength in my spray bottle for my clones.

 

[LadyZandra]

JMO- but that REALLY looks like a pH issue to me........

 

[kermit2692]

not saying you cant use a 20/20/20 that is what i did my first grow or that you cant foliar feed btw just saying that nute regimen is not the best choice and correct me if im wrong but it is a chem fert? so he will have to flush...if you guys like using chem ferts or just use the jacks because of ease of use i recommend going with the technaflora starter kit, it has a small dish of clone gel plus a very good cannabis based all around nute regimen and very easy to use instructions...going from the 20/20/20 to this i noticed a huge difference and have since evolved to organics but this kit is good for chem! also as far as the foliar feeding i just think as a beginner one should cut out as many variables as possible until they know how this kind of plant reacts and what means what! also keep in mind you may not be really over feeding yet since your feeding and foliar feeding that may be adding up and causing your tip burn....since you started in chem and i have a feeling you wont want to seperate those plants i would buy the starter kit for the i think 30 ish bucks which will last through two grows and start feeding once a week with that and watering in between as needed normally also again top dress with some more aerated soil and if you dont have much room cut off your two bottom branches or leaves and build a mound up the main cola up to your new bottom most branches. just doing those two things and again watching the basics will clear you up!

 

[kermit2692]

JMO- but that REALLY looks like a pH issue to me........

just curious how you arrive at this point seeing as how their is no such thing as an indicator of just simply a ph issue before anything is affected...their can be a ph issue and then it causes a lockout and then you can see the deficiency but you cant see any evidence of ph issues until a secondary issue arrises correct me if im wrong...so how do you know that it isnt just a deficiency until you try to correct that? assuming you havent tested the ph ofcourse which he hasnt from whats said...so basically i see people cry ph all the time and imo that just means someone doesnt know where else to turn so they believe the taboo of the ph lol. now he has been playing with all kinds of crap in his soil so im not doubting the fact that its possible but again most soil is ph balanced your water should generally be close and wont swing ph of an entire medium so really in soil ph issues are rare and therefore should be the last thing ever mentioned to noobs he should try to resolve the deficiency with common sense before testing soil ph (which is never fully accurate) and getting all confused and worried...now if proper nutes and stopping adding weird shit doesnt resolve his issue in about a week and it continues to get worst instead of just staying the same then and only then would i maybe consider telling someone to check the ph and not even at that point if they are adding good nutes and started with good soil....ph just isnt going to be your problem

 

[Meast007]

ganja like it was stated earlier "give more info" (lights and wattage, pics of grow and setup always a plus) from the size of your plants and current condition DONT flower now get them as healthy as possible before doing so what are you trying to get an .oz or two? What are the strains in use?

 

[bass1014]

oh kermie your my hero oink oink(miss piggy) lmao.. jmo there a lil young for all that juice. listen to the ol man "kermit" knows his shiat, ^^^ +rep kermit some people have to learn the hard way..

 

[Coho]

Wet too.

 

[DANKSWAG]

I have 2 plants that have the same feeding schedule. Last time I fed was about 5 days ago, but I also foliar feed. For waterings I use between 1/4 and 1/2 strength Jack's Classic 20-20-20 mixed with 1tbsp molasses and 1 tsp Epsom salt all per gallon. I foliar feed every morning with 1/4 strength Jack's with a small amount of dish soap (keeps it from drying so fast). Today i noticed slight curling and what to me looks like a little burn only on one plant. Can anyone confirm this? Also, any ideas on yield if i started flowering now? Plants have been lst'd and topped twice and they both are about 7". Another thing, what about adding Superthrive? I have added once at about week 3 should I do it once more before flowering?

Curious to know about your lighting situation too, besides nute concern, from what I can make out do you a strong LED light that may be too close compounding your issues?

 

[Ganjafrisk]

Well I've only used the Jacks fert once. before that i have been using Alaska fish emulsion 5-1-1. the only reason i went to Jacks is b/c i was seeing K deficiency which was cleared up easily with the Jacks. theres 2 plants under approx. 150w cfls but im not gonna step up my wattage until i see the sex and i only want to keep one plant anyways. theyre in mg organic choice soil mixed with seedling starter. since ive only fed them once with a chem fert i wouldnt think i needed to transplant them seeing as i just have about a week ago. i dont wanna stress them out any more. im wondering now if i should just stick to the fish emulsion? oh and also the seeds were just random bag seeds.

Also the pics are just showing one plant. I topped it and thats why it kinda looks like 2 in one pot.

 

[missing link]

Wow dude. Were you high all through high school? Learn to use paragraphs. Wall of text is not likely to get many responses. Stoners are too lazy to read that shit.

 

[DANKSWAG]

Well I've only used the Jacks fert once. before that i have been using Alaska fish emulsion 5-1-1. the only reason i went to Jacks is b/c i was seeing K deficiency which was cleared up easily with the Jacks. theres 2 plants under approx. 150w cfls but im not gonna step up my wattage until i see the sex and i only want to keep one plant anyways. theyre in mg organic choice soil mixed with seedling starter. since ive only fed them once with a chem fert i wouldnt think i needed to transplant them seeing as i just have about a week ago. i dont wanna stress them out any more. im wondering now if i should just stick to the fish emulsion? oh and also the seeds were just random bag seeds.

Also the pics are just showing one plant. I topped it and thats why it kinda looks like 2 in one pot.

Can you tell me what is in the soil mixture your are using and what is it's PH of the soil? Next time you water, water with distilled or spring water at a low to no ppm and a PH of 7 (Neutral) collect the water from the drainage and test it's PH. It looks like you may have alkaline materials in your soil from the layer of what appears to be wood trimmings in your soil.

If your going organic with soil you can't go wrong with Roots Organic and if you want to pump up your girls amend your soil with the amendments sub cool uses for his super soil recipe. You can't make a better choice if you want to grow in soil.

 

[DANKSWAG]

check out my journal if you want to see my Blue Cheese growing in super soil...

 

[Figong]

Looks like P.. or P/K def with at least 1 trace - I would also go out on a limb and say that the lockout is -probably- not due to pH, but moreso due to extreme tox of another of the elements that are paired.. which is consistent with the over-feeding every morning using 1/4 strength of the previously stated values - way too high unless your plants were showing severe/advanced stage deficiencies (before the foliar started, but it seems to be regimen-based and not to fix a problem)

 

[Ganjafrisk]

Thanks for all the responses guys I really do appreciate the help. What is it suggested that I do to ammend these problems besides repotting? Shouild I just water with plain water the next time or use dilluted nutes? Also, are there any recommended nutes that I can get at my local garden store? I dont really want to buy anything online since this grow is basically experimental. I just enjoy horticulture

 

[Figong]

Thanks for all the responses guys I really do appreciate the help. What is it suggested that I do to ammend these problems besides repotting? Shouild I just water with plain water the next time or use dilluted nutes? Also, are there any recommended nutes that I can get at my local garden store? I dont really want to buy anything online since this grow is basically experimental. I just enjoy horticulture

What is your pH at? What is your water pH? We can rule pH out fast with those 2 answered, then focus on the other symptoms that will determine how this plays out.

 

[Ganjafrisk]

I will let you know tomorrow b/c my tap water is pretty hard so I'm letting it sit out tonight and I'll measure it asap.

 

[DANKSWAG]

What is your pH at? What is your water pH? We can rule pH out fast with those 2 answered, then focus on the other symptoms that will determine how this plays out.

Exactly, ph has to be ruled out before we look at toxic shock syndrome, whether it be N P or K...

GF:
When was the last time you checked your PH, if any? That would be helpful to know any prior measurements and what do you use to measure with?
You can use a digital water meter by utilizing run off and the end of your watering, don't collect the first part of the run off but the latter part. Pour water till you collect what you need to test with..