National Patients' Rights Association

[Trichyn9ne]

Well good intentions goes right out the door with this one if buckaroo is right. Which I do believe because behind every organization/corporation there is a hidden agenda. Usually to reap rewards while the rest suffer!!!! We need less governing and more people with hearts and souls running politics. The real problems always start with the monopoly money we use as currency...it needs to disappear and never return.

 

[bloodytrichomes]

warning warning warning

 

[buckaroo bonzai]

Robin Schneider, legislative liaison for the National Patient’s Rights Association, an advocacy group for medical marijuana patients, said the >>>>bill’s aim is to "clear up the gray areas that are present in the original MMMA."

i thought they did that??^^^^oh yea that's right they did ....it's illegal for pts to share it

but soon with ms schnieders new bill we can all sell it with medi swipe cards---that they can track us with..
STATE: House bill would allow medical marijuana dispensaries


“What we saw were dispensaries popping up >>unregulated without rules, and that created conflict within communities,” Schneider said.
>>>“Without provisioning centers, medical marijuana >>is being distributed in >>our neighborhoods, >>in our parks,
>>in parking lots … >>>wherever people can meet, it’s being distributed.”

they don't want that....patients rights my ass--

 

[bloodytrichomes]

its all smoke and mirrors and money .theres people on this site i wont call names that are doing the same things so there secret groups can corn hole us beware is all i can say

 

[oldesthippy]

Wow i sure learn a lot on here and i am awake so what the f&^*ck can do we do so we dont get screwed
is there anyone trying to get us the rights we deserve as a patient and care giver

Robin Schneider, legislative liaison for the National Patient’s Rights Association, an advocacy group for medical marijuana patients, said the >>>>bill’s aim is to "clear up the gray areas that are present in the original MMMA."

i thought they did that??^^^^oh yea that's right they did ....it's illegal for pts to share it

but soon with ms schnieders new bill we can all sell it with medi swipe cards---that they can track us with..
STATE: House bill would allow medical marijuana dispensaries


“What we saw were dispensaries popping up >>unregulated without rules, and that created conflict within communities,” Schneider said.
>>>“Without provisioning centers, medical marijuana >>is being distributed in >>our neighborhoods, >>in our parks,
>>in parking lots … >>>wherever people can meet, it’s being distributed.”

they don't want that....patients rights my ass--

 

[TheMan13]

I think of the patient to patient illegality issue as a simple and predictable progressive ploy, as such ilk permeates both sides of the isle. The reason P2P has been addressed by these political clowns and not C2P is not only to "divide and conquer", but also to just take on the weakest prey in their "war".

 

[somepotname]

We honestly need to start shouldering as much of the blame ourselves as we place these politicians. Their behavior is understandable even if dishonest. Most of these politicians don't live the lives they say we should force people to live for a reason. They say publicly the things that will be popular because if they challenge the consensus with an unpopular thought they will be voted out of office. Most voters can't distinguish on their own the pros and cons of any given proposed policy. These politicians are forced to speak as simply as possible, some may say dumb down their arguments to reach the most people. On top of that in our society most people view things as being absolutely right or absolutely wrong. They make up there minds and think one way for their entire lives. They fail to see any good out of things they've deemed bad and any bad in things they've deemed good.

We know enough about human behavior to know what marketing techniques are the most effective. It's easier for most people to just take another's word for somethings rather than investigate things on there own.

My bad this was poorly written. I'm not even sure if it's a coherent thought. I'm posting it anyways.

 

[Corso312]

That's why you have to play by your own rules, fuck these politicians n their laws.

 

[TheMan13]

You are right about the marketing brother. That said, "marketing" is simply a relatively new politically correct term for propaganda. I mean that literally as some may consider Joesph Goebbels, the Nazi era politician, as the founder of the "marketing" we know today.

This is my point exactly with the progressive ilk of politicians, such as our current administration. As Sol Alinsky wrote in Rules for Radicals and Obama and Bill Ayres learned and all taught in Chicago: that the perennial question, "Does the end justify the means?" is meaningless as it stands: the real and only question regarding the ethics of means and ends is, and always has been, "Does this particular end justify this particular means?"
This I suggest my friends, is not sustainable within a civilized society and if not eradicated ASAP it will surely destroy such.

That said, we must fight fire with fire here and know our true enemy:

[h=2]The rules[/h]

• RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
• RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
• RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
• RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
• RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
• RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
• RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
• RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
• RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
• RULE 10: "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.
• RULE 11: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
• RULE 12: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
• RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

 

[st0wandgrow]

You are right about the marketing brother. That said, "marketing" is simply a relatively new politically correct term for propaganda. I mean that literally as some may consider Joesph Goebbels, the Nazi era politician, as the founder of the "marketing" we know today.

This is my point exactly with the progressive ilk of politicians, such as our current administration. As Sol Alinsky wrote in Rules for Radicals and Obama and Bill Ayres learned and all taught in Chicago: that the perennial question, "Does the end justify the means?" is meaningless as it stands: the real and only question regarding the ethics of means and ends is, and always has been, "Does this particular end justify this particular means?"
This I suggest my friends, is not sustainable within a civilized society and if not eradicated ASAP it will surely destroy such.

That said, we must fight fire with fire here and know our true enemy:

The rules

• RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
• RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
• RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
• RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
• RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
• RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
• RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
• RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
• RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
• RULE 10: "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.
• RULE 11: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
• RULE 12: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
• RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

"This is my point exactly with the progressive ilk of politicians, such as our current administration. As Sol Alinsky wrote in Rules for Radicals and Obama and Bill Ayres learned and all taught in Chicago:"

I know you never miss an opportunity to take a shot at liberals/progressives, but you are aware that the players here in Michigan that are fucking us over are conservative Republicans, right? The Governor, Bill Schutte, and about 2/3'rds of congress.

 

[TheMan13]

"This is my point exactly with the progressive ilk of politicians, such as our current administration. As Sol Alinsky wrote in Rules for Radicals and Obama and Bill Ayres learned and all taught in Chicago:"

I know you never miss an opportunity to take a shot at liberals/progressives, but you are aware that the players here in Michigan that are fucking us over are conservative Republicans, right? The Governor, Bill Schutte, and about 2/3'rds of congress.

Yes sir. I know you never miss an opportunity to take a shot at my conservative/libertarian thought, but would you not consider many Republicans progressives brother Is not legislating from the bench as the Republican clowns on our Supreme Court just had a "progressive" political move Your politics surely fog your view of me through this computer screen brother. Many people among us here know me in real life, I challenge you to find one that questions my honor or intellect. I'm the furthest thing from political and integrity is very important to me.

 

[tomcatjones]

MediSwipe CEO Michael Friedman said his company is opening their trial locations in Ann Arbor because the community is "very lenient" toward caregivers providing medical marijuana.
Ryan J. Stanton | AnnArbor.com file photo

The legal status of medical marijuana dispensaries does not look bright in Michigan, but one company is betting it can provide an alternative business model in Ann Arbor.MediSwipe recently moved its headquarters from Florida to Birmingham, Mich., and is planning to open two offices in Ann Arbor before the end of March.
The first Ann Arbor location will be a doctor’s office with three physicians who will be able to write medical marijuana prescriptions after creating a “continuous one-on-one relationship” with patients, CEO Michael Friedman said.
“Up until now a lot of the practice has been patients will come in and say ‘I suffer from Chrone's disease, or I suffer from glaucoma,’ and the doctor would just sign the certificates after briefly meeting with the patient,” he said.
“The state wants a stronger more continuous relationship between doctor and patient and that’s what this center will be providing.”
Friedman said that once a doctor writes a prescription for medical marijuana, it can be filled for up to 21 days, after which the patient gets a state identification card. Once acquired, the cards can be used for up to two years.
In addition to functioning as a doctor's office, the center will be a “patient certification center.” A staff of six to eight people will handle the administration of the office where patients will be assisted with the paperwork necessary to acquire the state ID card.
“MediSwipe has nothing to do with the medicine, we’re completely agnostic about it,” Friedman said. “We will not be dispensing anything, we are just streamlining the process and helping patients fill out paperwork to get their ID cards.”
MediSwipe’s second Ann Arbor location will be a “virtual office space” designed to function as a safe meeting place for patients who have prescribed medical marijuana and their designated “caretakers.”
According to state law, each caretaker can be responsible for themselves and up to five other patients.
“Without dispensaries it’s going to go back to how it was before where you were seeing a lot of parking lot deals,” Friedman said.
“Patients don’t necessarily want to go to a caregiver’s home and they’re carrying cash. Caregivers don’t want to go to patient’s home carrying meds, there’s a lot of liability on both sides of the transaction. So we’re providing them with a place to meet.”
MediSwipe will charge the caretakers for use of the rooms but will not take a cut of any transactions that occur in the building, Friedman said. Caretakers will be able to pay a fee to use one of the 25-30 offices and also will gain access to MediSwipe’s database software to keep track of their patients.

 

[TheMan13]

Very interesting TomCatJones.

http://www.mediswipe.com/

MediSwipe, Inc. provides transaction processing and security solutions for the medical and healthcare industries in the United States and internationally. The company offers its services using traditional, Internet point-of-sale (POS), e-commerce, and wireless payment solutions that enable clients to accept various credit cards, debit and ATM cards, and ACH check drafts for payment. Its services include merchant account activation, gateway connections, and Web development. The company also offers a closed loop pre-paid patient stored value and loyalty card as a cash alternative to the regulated and e-commerce businesses within the healthcare sector. In addition, it operates, 800Commerce.com, a B2B and B2C social network business portal that provides turn-key merchant processing for all major credit cards, Web development, marketing, hosting, and lead generation services. The company was formerly known as Cannabis Medical Solutions, Inc. and changed its name to MediSwipe, Inc. in June 2011. MediSwipe, Inc. was incorporated in 1997 and is headquartered in West Palm Beach, Florida.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Yes sir. I know you never miss an opportunity to take a shot at my conservative/libertarian thought, but would you not consider many Republicans progressives brother Is not legislating from the bench as the Republican clowns on our Supreme Court just had a "progressive" political move Your politics surely fog your view of me through this computer screen brother. Many people among us here know me in real life, I challenge you to find one that questions my honor or intellect. I'm the furthest thing from political and integrity is very important to me.

Google search the definition of "progressive":

pro·gres·sive

/prəˈgresiv/

Adjective Happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step.

Noun A person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.

Synonyms adjective. advanced - onward - forward noun. progressist - progressionist

So no, I don't consider many Republicans progressives.

Where am I questioning your honor or intellect? I question your support of a political party that by and large would like to take our cannabis and shove it right up our collective arse. Having said that, each one of us is free to support what ever we want. Just don't expect me to sit on my hands when I see someone posting something that I believe is wrong or misleading. I can still respect you, and at the same time disagree with you.

 

[TheMan13]

Dude the Republicans of today are so far to the left of our founding fathers that they would be viewed as Anarchists So yes there are in fact many liberal Republicans if you open your eyes wide enough.

As for questioning my integrity and intellect I have repeatedly told you I am NOT a Republican and DO NOT support the Republican party. What part of that do you not understand? Just because you ARE a Democrat and DO support the Democratic party and my views differ from those talking points ... Please read the 13 rules I quoted earlier, enough said.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Dude the Republicans of today are so far to the left of our founding fathers that they would be viewed as Anarchists So yes there are many liberal Republicans if you open your eyes wide enough.

As for questioning my integrity and intellect I have repeatedly told you I am NOT a Republican and DO NOT support the Republican party. What part of that do you not understand? Just because you ARE a Democrat and DO support the Democratic party and my views differ from those talking points ... Please read the 13 rules I quoted earlier, enough said.

" Just because you ARE a Democrat and DO support the Democratic party...."

Heh! So let me get this straight. You get your undies in a twist because I suggest that you support the Republican party, and then you do the same to me. Nicely done.

What I see from you is taking every opportunity to rip Obama/Democrats/Liberals and I absolutely take exception to that. If YOU were to "open your eyes wide enough" you'd realize that (almost) every last one of them, regardless of the letter beside their name, has been bought out by big corporate interests. The same corporations that YOU believe to be the all-knowing knights in white satin of capitalism, and should have their taxes lowered to zero, be completely deregulated, and trusted with the keys to the car.

 

[TheMan13]

 

[st0wandgrow]

Atta boy "TheMan"! Bust out a grade-school meme when you have no response.

Very adult of you!

And while we're having a good spirited debate here, you never did answer a question I bounced off you in a thread where you were busy ripping liberals for being dependent on government for their livelihood and not able to provide for themselves.

What type of income do you receive, TheMan?

 

[TheMan13]

This is my point exactly with the progressive ilk of politicians, such as our current administration. As Sol Alinsky wrote in Rules for Radicals and Obama and Bill Ayres learned and all taught in Chicago: that the perennial question, "Does the end justify the means?" is meaningless as it stands: the real and only question regarding the ethics of means and ends is, and always has been, "Does this particular end justify this particular means?"

This I suggest my friends, is not sustainable within a civilized society and if not eradicated ASAP it will surely destroy such.

That said, we must fight fire with fire here and know our true enemy:

The rules

• RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
• RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
• RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
• RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
• RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
• RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
• RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
• RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
• RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
• RULE 10: "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.
• RULE 11: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
• RULE 12: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
• RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

 

[TheMan13]

The piles of progressive legislation/laws/regulations/taxes (REGARDLESS OF DEMOCRATIC/REPUBLICAN PARTY POLITICS) accumulating in every facet of our lives is problematic as it endangers the very fabric that this republic is built upon, as well as our children's future. As we watch this generation squander the wealth and promise handed to them and pass on debit and decline to their children, I ADMITTEDLY argue in favor of strict adherence to ethics. The ends do not justify the means, look to the history of the last left success story (Communism) and its modern reiteration (Socialism) of liberal progressive politics. Just look at all those wealthy elitist champions of the poor in the Democratic party. Where has the past century of mindlessly following these politics of these individuals gotten the poor and under privileged in this country:

[video=youtube;lgT1AidzRWM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgT1AidzRWM[/video]

What exactly is your argument now?