Looking for info on making RSO
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420circuit
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Have fun on the road, hopefully you can keep all 4 wheels on the paved part, the WY winds can put you up on 2 wheels pretty quick or push you into the rocks. I fixed the link, thanks for the heads up. That Waterwise 4000 looks like just the ticket, although it does say in the description that it reaches 212 deg F... not likely accurate, but likely close enough to not be as hot as 250. So the added step of baking at 250 for a while will be needed with this unit. I am tempted to order one and measure the temp, but there always seems to be one that is better, so can't order today. There are a bunch of lab style distillers on Amazon, although the condensers are shaped with narrow mouth flasks that would make it difficult when dealing with thick liquids, not to mention cleanup. The video makes it look pretty easy and the info about freezing the Everclear, bud and some equipment makes good sense.
Bubbagineer
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The folks in the prescription drug business are likely pouring money into the anti-legalize lobby. They don't want to develop and prove that cannabis is an effective treatment for any ailment, much less for cancer as it is one of their primary cash cows for new drugs. I mean, anyone can grow cannabis, the drug companies would not have a lock on the initial supply of the treatment via patents because mmj is a naturally occurring substance... though the US Gubmint holds the patent on CBD believe it or not....
My mom is fighting stage 3 ovarian cancer and is in Georgia. She's beating it so far. She's 80, I don't know if she could take the psychoactive stuff, but I'm going to make her some straight up CBD oil. She may not agree though, very religious. My old man's religious too, but would be growing marijuana if it were legal, he sees it as no different from tobacco. A lot of farmers down there have that opinion, whether they smoke or not..... I just had a vision of a few hundred acres planted all in weed instead of soybeans and peanuts lol. Maybe someday....
My mom is fighting stage 3 ovarian cancer and is in Georgia. She's beating it so far. She's 80, I don't know if she could take the psychoactive stuff, but I'm going to make her some straight up CBD oil. She may not agree though, very religious. My old man's religious too, but would be growing marijuana if it were legal, he sees it as no different from tobacco. A lot of farmers down there have that opinion, whether they smoke or not..... I just had a vision of a few hundred acres planted all in weed instead of soybeans and peanuts lol. Maybe someday....
420circuit
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Like in the olden days there will be fields of cannabis waving in the breeze and basking in the sun. Hope to see it, tho' likely to be surrounded by 12 foot chain link with razor wire.
NEEDMMASAP
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This article sounds like Big Pharma already has the patients for the US
GW Pharmaceuticals announced April 20, "The United States Patent and Trademark Office has issued a Notice of Allowance for a patent which protects the use of Sativex as a treatment for cancer pain.
"The patent, entitled 'Pharmaceutical Compositions for the Treatment of Pain,' provides an exclusivity period until April 2025. The patent specifically covers a method of treating cancer related pain by administering a combination of the cannabinoids cannabidiol (CBD) and delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the two principal cannabinoids in Sativex®. In addition to this newly granted patent, Sativex® is protected by a number of other patents related to different aspects of the product.
"Sativex® is currently in Phase III clinical development as a treatment for cancer pain. Cancer pain represents the lead indication for Sativex® in the United States, where the medicine is partnered with Otsuka Pharmaceutical Co. Ltd."
"Dr Geoffrey Guy, GW's Chairman, said, 'The grant of this US patent covering Sativex® as a treatment for cancer pain is part of a broad platform of intellectual property rights which continue to be developed by GW. GW now has 35 patent families as well as other forms of protection such as plant variety rights and proprietary know-how. We believe that this matrix of intellectual property provides GW with a unique position to benefit from the rich promise within the field of cannabinoid therapeutics.'
"Sativex® is approved in the UK, Spain, Czech Republic, Canada and New Zealand as a treatment of Multiple Sclerosis spasticity...
NEEDMMASAP
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Sorry to hear about your Mom , maybe if she knew God said its okay , and she does not have to smoke it . When people reach older age they get set in their ways but there is always that “ maybe “ Your right the straight CBD might be the best way to go .
Genesis 1:29 And God said , I have given you all vegetation bearing seed which is on the surface of the whole earth - To you let it serve as food
Bubbagineer
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Good info bro. I didn't know Sativex was making any inroads in the US. I read about Sativex about a year ago and if i remember correctly, it is made from actual cannabis and is not synthetic like Marinol. I assume that there would still have be clinical trials that the FDA would mandate. This is good news for folks with cancer that also work for companies with drug testing. Marinol, which is available, only has THC. Drug testing nowadays can look for a host of cannabinoid metabolites, not just those from THC, so Marinol doesn't provide a great defense with a medical review officer.
bshdctr
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Well,
I had a major snafu during my process this time (of course it would happen when I'm documenting the process)....but it actually will turn out to be a pretty cool experiment to learn from!
So.....I got sidetracked this morning (keys locked in car, while car was running...) while cooking out the last little bit of Everclear from my oil and I let it overpurge/burn. the oil was smoking (well above 400 degrees I'd imagine) so I was well above the temperature for THC to be converting to CBN and I'm sure that lots of the cannabinoids boiled off into the air. I would imagine that this will be great sleep medicine, considering any cannabinoids left are probably mostly CBN. I'm going to go back an check that boiling points graph to make sure that is what happened. And of course I'll report back how the effect is on it.
** I just ate close to a gram of the above said oil so I'll let yall know how it treats me when I post back all the pics and details of the process later!
I had a major snafu during my process this time (of course it would happen when I'm documenting the process)....but it actually will turn out to be a pretty cool experiment to learn from!
So.....I got sidetracked this morning (keys locked in car, while car was running...) while cooking out the last little bit of Everclear from my oil and I let it overpurge/burn. the oil was smoking (well above 400 degrees I'd imagine) so I was well above the temperature for THC to be converting to CBN and I'm sure that lots of the cannabinoids boiled off into the air. I would imagine that this will be great sleep medicine, considering any cannabinoids left are probably mostly CBN. I'm going to go back an check that boiling points graph to make sure that is what happened. And of course I'll report back how the effect is on it.
** I just ate close to a gram of the above said oil so I'll let yall know how it treats me when I post back all the pics and details of the process later!
NEEDMMASAP
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Smoke point of Hemp Oil is 330 F and Boiling point of THC is 320 to 356 F and CBD Boiling point is 314 F , it will be interesting to know your results from ingesting it .
Don’t know if there is a difference between Hemp oil and oil from Medical Marijuana ? I would think very little difference
bshdctr
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So It has been roughly 3 hours since I ingested the gram and I'd say it is certainly safe to say not all of the cannabinoids were boiled off, and I did convert some THC to CBN. I 100% do feel a pretty intense but VERY relaxing high now...
GreenPeak
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Here is my process and I do it inside all the time with no issues there is very little pressure involved and the gas alcohol never has a chance to catch fire just be dilligent and use common sense . Talking to a pharmacist a few months back he said grain alcohol was by far the best solvent to use for medicinal purposes. BHO is interesting and all but butane is a carcinogen and seems to be rather rediculous to use if you are trying to heal your cancer regardless of how much you purge, tests are coming out now that can name the type and brand of butane used when testing your extract so obviously residue still is present.
Her a thread I did on my process keep in mind alcohol evaporates t 174 degrees so higher temps are not all that necessary just more riskyhttp://forum.seeddepot.nl/showthread.php?3070-Making-Magic-with-Cannabis
this oil also works great for crohn's disease if anyone has it take small doses everyday I have two patients on it right now and they love it
My mom is seeing excellent results on her skin cancer as well, a caregiver I referred RSO to shrank his tumor from the size of a softball to pebble in 2 1/2 months.
Also there are more than 500 studies looking into cannabinoids and cancer treatment dating all the way back to 1974 check out SETH research video of THC killing brain cancer cells
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJT3HevnWM
Her a thread I did on my process keep in mind alcohol evaporates t 174 degrees so higher temps are not all that necessary just more riskyhttp://forum.seeddepot.nl/showthread.php?3070-Making-Magic-with-Cannabis
this oil also works great for crohn's disease if anyone has it take small doses everyday I have two patients on it right now and they love it
My mom is seeing excellent results on her skin cancer as well, a caregiver I referred RSO to shrank his tumor from the size of a softball to pebble in 2 1/2 months.
Also there are more than 500 studies looking into cannabinoids and cancer treatment dating all the way back to 1974 check out SETH research video of THC killing brain cancer cells
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJT3HevnWM
GreenPeak
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Also look at this video talking about the effects of cannabinoids combined to reach optimal effects this is doctor McAllister who made the video above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drW12wqbqwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drW12wqbqwU
NEEDMMASAP
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Let us know how long the high lasts , Did you use bud or trim ? What was your yield ? Amount of trim and amount of oil ? Would one gram of the oil be what you usually ingest ? I like seeing VERY in big letters , must be good .
bshdctr
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The high (which was pretty darn intense and relaxing, very body oriented and mind numbing) lasted for about 8 hours with great pain relief for about 6 hours. When the pain started to come back I ate another 1/4 gram and that brought the effect right back to full strength until I went to bed..my wife however ate a 1/3rd roughly of a gram and was zombiefied about 5 hours later. I mean she had all the classic signs of getting blasted on edibles; cotton mouth hardcore, barely able to keep eyes open, falling asleep every few minutes, giggly as hell, etc..
Yes, one gram is about what I eat in a day to control pain. I wouldn't recommend that much to almost anybody though without knowing they eat a lot of cannabis, as the dose I took yesterday would have knocked my wife out cold probably (not that that would be a bad thing for certain patients/people).
I'll put up my documentation now to cover your other questions (not sure if it is needed now, but what the heck eh?)
Bubbagineer
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Thanks for all the info to everyone. No more BHO caps for me... The best thing about being able to make the oil with ethanol (I knew about using ethanol for tinctures, just not oil) is I can give up on my ill-conceived plan to construct a CO2 extraction contraption.
bshdctr
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so 1st off, I had a bit of a messed up day while trying to do this, and things did not get done as detailed as I had planned. My apologies and hope this is still helpful for anybody reading this thread.
Here is the cannabis I used: 28 grams of Blue Dream buds, all about the size of a quarter or slightly larger.
I placed the herb in a mason jar and covered with 16 oz. of Everclear. It took a little smashing with an old cannabis stock to get it all submerged
After soaking for 45 min I poured it though a few coffee filters and squeezed out all the alcohol into a ceramic crockpot cooker dish. The herb is covered with alcohol once more to do a second wash.
Once the alcohol cooked is down by 80-90% but was still a green liquid, I poured it into a small pyrex dish to finish purging in a water bath on my stove (or you can fully purge in the crock pot as I did with the second wash..)
So usually I watch this little pyrex dish closely to make sure the water level stays constant and the dish is removed from the heat once the alcohol has been boiled away...........but this time I got a little busy and let the water all evaporate and the heat of the dish became high enough that the oil started smoking slightly and tuned a little darker, but it still looked almost BHO. Considering the oil heated up to a smoking point, I did not do any further decarbing. I was worried that I had maybe boiled off lots of THC by reaching the smoking point but the effect of the oil was pretty amazing still so I think it barley hit the smoking point and did not boil off many cannabinoids.
I did not weigh the final result but think I got about 3 grams off the 1st 45min. soak , and another 3 grams of much darker oil from the 2nd soak that I let go overnight. The 1st oil was more BHO like due to the short soak time, and the second oil more black and runny due to the longer soak time. The effect I reported on is from eating the 1st lighter colored oil, and I will test the darker oil today.
The oil effect certainly seemed very potent and high in CBN....but that is just what I am reading from what my body and my wife's body experienced.
Hope this was useful!
Here is the cannabis I used: 28 grams of Blue Dream buds, all about the size of a quarter or slightly larger.
I placed the herb in a mason jar and covered with 16 oz. of Everclear. It took a little smashing with an old cannabis stock to get it all submerged
After soaking for 45 min I poured it though a few coffee filters and squeezed out all the alcohol into a ceramic crockpot cooker dish. The herb is covered with alcohol once more to do a second wash.
Once the alcohol cooked is down by 80-90% but was still a green liquid, I poured it into a small pyrex dish to finish purging in a water bath on my stove (or you can fully purge in the crock pot as I did with the second wash..)
So usually I watch this little pyrex dish closely to make sure the water level stays constant and the dish is removed from the heat once the alcohol has been boiled away...........but this time I got a little busy and let the water all evaporate and the heat of the dish became high enough that the oil started smoking slightly and tuned a little darker, but it still looked almost BHO. Considering the oil heated up to a smoking point, I did not do any further decarbing. I was worried that I had maybe boiled off lots of THC by reaching the smoking point but the effect of the oil was pretty amazing still so I think it barley hit the smoking point and did not boil off many cannabinoids.
I did not weigh the final result but think I got about 3 grams off the 1st 45min. soak , and another 3 grams of much darker oil from the 2nd soak that I let go overnight. The 1st oil was more BHO like due to the short soak time, and the second oil more black and runny due to the longer soak time. The effect I reported on is from eating the 1st lighter colored oil, and I will test the darker oil today.
The oil effect certainly seemed very potent and high in CBN....but that is just what I am reading from what my body and my wife's body experienced.
Hope this was useful!
NEEDMMASAP
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bshdctr that was very helpful , excellent job , it will be interesting to have a report on the batch you over heated , its cool that you were able to use all bud , that must be why your yield was so high , I take it you guys don’t have trouble getting Everclear out there . In the Task Force report it sound like they will outlaw Butane , Propane and Hexane so that will leave us with CO2 , Everclear and Oil Extraction . Big Pharma will use CO2 and will call it pharmaceutical grade then the State will probably issue a rule that the dispensary's can only sell pharmaceutical grade . They for sure try to screw us over on this . But we can build CO2 extractors , just need the money to do it .
Thanks for such a detailed report .
420circuit
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Great info here, I appreciate this and will be putting this to use. I am still unclear about the finishing process and the need to reach 250 degrees F to decarb- the THCA. Is this added step needed? Also, has anyone measured a cupwarmer to see how hot it gets? I'll pick up an infrared thermometer at HF, they are about $20. Maybe something other than a cupwarmer would work better, probably depends on the container being used. A small lab type electric heater would be cool to have but that is getting a just a little too involved.
My plan is to purchase a countertop distiller for about $200 so the alcohol can be reclaimed. My local beer store has big bottles of Everclear for $36. Have a college student returning this coming week so I need to lay low for a while, but will probably set this up in my garage in a couple weeks. I suppose Walgreens will have the capsules and syringes, any suggestions on sizes for these? I'll pick up some coconut oil at Sprouts this weekend. Not sure if I want these doses to get me high or not, guess there is only one way to find out. Probably use G-13 Haze for the first batch, a hybrid indica/sativa, maybe a couple ounces.
My plan is to purchase a countertop distiller for about $200 so the alcohol can be reclaimed. My local beer store has big bottles of Everclear for $36. Have a college student returning this coming week so I need to lay low for a while, but will probably set this up in my garage in a couple weeks. I suppose Walgreens will have the capsules and syringes, any suggestions on sizes for these? I'll pick up some coconut oil at Sprouts this weekend. Not sure if I want these doses to get me high or not, guess there is only one way to find out. Probably use G-13 Haze for the first batch, a hybrid indica/sativa, maybe a couple ounces.
NEEDMMASAP
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Bubbagineer uses 00 caps so they are probably better , I had checked up on the cap machine awhile back and this is what I found . I'll have to check out that infrared thermometer , didn't know they were so cheap . 0 capsule .,can get 500 caps , the filling machine and the weight scales for $ 45.77
You can watch a tape of how the machine works , but it shows them using powder , so I would think oil would be a little more messy but doable ?
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