Looking for info on making RSO

[Bubbagineer]

Great info here, I appreciate this and will be putting this to use. I am still unclear about the finishing process and the need to reach 250 degrees F to decarb- the THCA. Is this added step needed?

Yes IMO unless at the end of the boil out you add the coconut oil and then bring to 250deg for awhile. This subject (de-carbing) has the widest range of opinions as any I have researched. The 250deg thing is clearly not a hard and fast rule as the doctor proved with his smokin oil experiment My research, and limited experience, on this topic has the temps and times all over the map... 250 works for me.

I suppose Walgreens will have the capsules and syringes, any suggestions on sizes for these?

Natural grocers carries gel caps in 00, 0 is ok also depends on preference. The coconut oil is pretty solid and stable at room temp once in the caps.

 

[Bubbagineer]

Bubbagineer uses 00 caps so they are probably better , I had checked up on the cap machine awhile back and this is what I found . I'll have to check out that infrared thermometer , didn't know they were so cheap . “ 0 “ capsule .,can get 500 caps , the filling machine and the weight scales for $ 45.77
You can watch a tape of how the machine works , but it shows them using powder , so I would think oil would be a little more messy but doable ?
[SIZE=+0]One gram is equal to 1,000 milligrams.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Each "0" capsule will hold 400 mg - 800 mg or so (5,000 mg = 1 teaspoon), ...[/SIZE]

http://www.amazon.com/Capsule-Connection-CAPSULE-FILLER-MACHINE/dp/B000PBX3GC/ref=pd_sim_hpc_1

I wouldn't bother with a cap machine bro, in order for it be useful, you have to cut the cooked mix with corn starch until its like toothpaste, then freeze and crush to a powder. Major pain in the ass, just make oil caps.

oh, and get the regular gelatin capsules... Not the fancy veggie ones, they melt unless the oil is really cool which is also a pain

 

[NEEDMMASAP]

I wouldn't bother with a cap machine bro, in order for it be useful, you have to cut the cooked mix with corn starch until its like toothpaste, then freeze and crush to a powder. Major pain in the ass, just make oil caps.

oh, and get the regular gelatin capsules... Not the fancy veggie ones, they melt unless the oil is really cool which is also a pain

Thank you , I haven't gotten anything yet , just checking around so I’ll be ready , I’m learning a lot just by following the posts , this might be a dumb question but do the caps give you the taste of coconut in any way ? Just wondering , I’ve always liked coconut cream pie . another interesting thing is using the coconut oil to extract the THC and CBD , Gray Wolfs group it trying different methods and coconut oil was up at the top of the list , sure would be nice to go from dried bud directly to oil caps , no way for me to work with MM yet but I’ve found that using catnip trim fresh to trim dried in about 20 minutes.

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

that using catnip trim fresh to trim dried in about 20 minutes.

What? Do you mean the catnip is drying in 20 minutes?

 

[NEEDMMASAP]

What? Do you mean the catnip is drying in 20 minutes?

I was following Huel Perkins growing thread , This is his link , when he posted that part of his process was to decarboxylate by baking the bud for 15 minutes at 300 degrees , so I pulled off some catnip trim and baked it , 20 minutes it was dry, after that I smoked it just to see what it smoked like , I had read that back in the 1800 they smoked it so thought I’d give it a try , he grows with DWC and his plants are cool , one strain is high CBD and he uses the dried plant material in his caps instead of oil . Like Bubbagineer said the decarb. temp is all over the place , in this case 300 degrees , I've seen others say 220 degrees I guess the only way to know would be to start at 200 and the take a sample every 20 degrees until you reach the smoke point then try each cap to find the best ?



https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/580281-back-saddle.html

 

[Bubbagineer]

sure would be nice to go from dried bud directly to oil caps

You can do that and they're pretty potent, but they give me the wind. Just grind the bud down to flour consistency in a coffee grinder or small food processor and cook it in enough oil to cover all the veg matter and mix well. Cook for a couple of hours at 250 stirring pretty regularly. Then pour it out on a plate and put it in the fridge. As it cools it will turn to a dough like consistency. At this point you can roll it into little balls and leave them in the fridge, or you can stuff it into caps by hand (time consuming).

The, umm, after smell reminded me of my old lab that would eat horse poo, then lay on my couch and rip the foulest clouds u can imagine... Run you out out of your own house lol

 

[420circuit]

Heard of smokin' burlap and corn silk, but not catnip. Dude, you need to get some hold of some MMJ and lay off the 'nip. And after seeing how straightforward the oil thing is I can't imagine wanting to grind and cook up the buds, the oil/extract and coconut oil looks like a great way to ingest. I have to admit that I really don't see the attraction to smoking oil, dabbing, even tho I did try it back in the day and was left with the feeling that it is a novelty experience. I see the oil smoking accessories online and it just looks like too much effort. I'll make up some capsules and see how it goes and then try dialing in a particular strain with high CBD and see what it is like to be a RSO poster child.

 

[Bubbagineer]

Huel's thread is cool. He went on the Cannatonic pheno hunt and struck gold. Inspiring actually.

 

[NEEDMMASAP]

Great info here, I appreciate this and will be putting this to use. I am still unclear about the finishing process and the need to reach 250 degrees F to decarb- the THCA. Is this added step needed? Also, has anyone measured a cupwarmer to see how hot it gets? I'll pick up an infrared thermometer at HF, they are about $20. Maybe something other than a cupwarmer would work better, probably depends on the container being used. A small lab type electric heater would be cool to have but that is getting a just a little too involved.

My plan is to purchase a countertop distiller for about $200 so the alcohol can be reclaimed. My local beer store has big bottles of Everclear for $36. Have a college student returning this coming week so I need to lay low for a while, but will probably set this up in my garage in a couple weeks. I suppose Walgreens will have the capsules and syringes, any suggestions on sizes for these? I'll pick up some coconut oil at Sprouts this weekend. Not sure if I want these doses to get me high or not, guess there is only one way to find out. Probably use G-13 Haze for the first batch, a hybrid indica/sativa, maybe a couple ounces.

I tried my coffee warmer , used a small stainless steel cup with inch and half of water , the highest it would get was 142 degrees . The distiller for 200 dollars would pay for itself pretty quick at 36 dollars a bottle . Question would be could it keep up with the boil off ? Do like my daughter does she will buy something and if it doesn't work the way she likes she takes it back . I thought a coffee warmer got hotter than it did , got it as a gift but had never used it before .

 

[420circuit]

So the best way to hit and hold for about 20 minutes, 250 degrees with the boiled down product -in a small metal cup- would be....

 

[Bubbagineer]

So the best way to hit and hold for about 20 minutes, 250 degrees with the boiled down product -in a small metal cup- would be....

old school crockpot on low with the lid on is safest option IMO

 

[NEEDMMASAP]

so 1st off, I had a bit of a messed up day while trying to do this, and things did not get done as detailed as I had planned. My apologies and hope this is still helpful for anybody reading this thread.

Here is the cannabis I used: 28 grams of Blue Dream buds, all about the size of a quarter or slightly larger.
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I placed the herb in a mason jar and covered with 16 oz. of Everclear. It took a little smashing with an old cannabis stock to get it all submerged
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After soaking for 45 min I poured it though a few coffee filters and squeezed out all the alcohol into a ceramic crockpot cooker dish. The herb is covered with alcohol once more to do a second wash.
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Once the alcohol cooked is down by 80-90% but was still a green liquid, I poured it into a small pyrex dish to finish purging in a water bath on my stove (or you can fully purge in the crock pot as I did with the second wash..)
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So usually I watch this little pyrex dish closely to make sure the water level stays constant and the dish is removed from the heat once the alcohol has been boiled away...........but this time I got a little busy and let the water all evaporate and the heat of the dish became high enough that the oil started smoking slightly and tuned a little darker, but it still looked almost BHO. Considering the oil heated up to a smoking point, I did not do any further decarbing. I was worried that I had maybe boiled off lots of THC by reaching the smoking point but the effect of the oil was pretty amazing still so I think it barley hit the smoking point and did not boil off many cannabinoids.
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I did not weigh the final result but think I got about 3 grams off the 1st 45min. soak , and another 3 grams of much darker oil from the 2nd soak that I let go overnight. The 1st oil was more BHO like due to the short soak time, and the second oil more black and runny due to the longer soak time. The effect I reported on is from eating the 1st lighter colored oil, and I will test the darker oil today.


The oil effect certainly seemed very potent and high in CBN....but that is just what I am reading from what my body and my wife's body experienced.
Hope this was useful!

Just wondering if you have tried any of the caps that you had overheated the oil and how they compared to the caps from the first cook off ?

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

Hes out of state, probably won't hear from him for a week or so.

 

[NEEDMMASAP]

Hes out of state, probably won't hear from him for a week or so.

Thanks , I’ll check with him later , seen where Bubba’s one plant turned out to be male , real bummer that a plant has to get that big before you can tell the sex , if someone could come up with a test strip or something like that , to find out early they could make some serious money .

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

Issue is sex is not predetermined, environment can effect the sex entirely.
Feminized seeds are popular because of this, nearly 100% female.
Also clones, because they are genetic copies of mom, you know not only that they are female, but what results you should end up with.
But no boys means no seeds, and seeds are very important.

 

[Trousers]

Issue is sex is not predetermined, environment can effect the sex entirely.

I believe that sex is determined in the seed and that environment has nothing to do with sex determination. I have yet to see any compelling evidence that seeds do not have sex predetermined. The fact that feminized seeds exist leads me to believe that sex is predetermined.

Feminized seeds are popular because of this, nearly 100% female.
Also clones, because they are genetic copies of mom, you know not only that they are female, but what results you should end up with.
But no boys means no seeds, and seeds are very important.

Properly made feminized seeds are 100% female. A feminized seed can not produce a male as it has no Y chromosome. Every female cannabis plant can produce male flowers.

You can produce seeds with out males, that is how feminized seeds are made. I have made thousands of feminized seeds and many crosses using colloidal silver. Of all the seeds me and my friends have germinated none have been male or hermaphrodite.

You can produce feminized seeds using feminized seeds, no problem. Females are females, they will have two X chromosomes whether they come from regular seeds or feminized seeds.

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

Have you ever done a side by side test of non feminized seeds following some basic parameters for determining sex? Orange light vs. Blue light? Hotter temps vs. Colder? More moist vs less moist? Because lots of people have and have found that you can influence how the sex of the plant comes out. Not 100% of the time obviously, but enough to make some basic "rules" on how to influence the seeds.

I said nearly 100% because 99.9999999999% is not 100%, there is always the slight chance that things ended up just right for the one feminized seed to become a boy. Genetics aren't quite that simple......

 

[Trousers]

Have you ever done a side by side test of non feminized seeds following some basic parameters for determining sex? Orange light vs. Blue light? Hotter temps vs. Colder? More moist vs less moist? Because lots of people have and have found that you can influence how the sex of the plant comes out. Not 100% of the time obviously, but enough to make some basic "rules" on how to influence the seeds.

I said nearly 100% because 99.9999999999% is not 100%, there is always the slight chance that things ended up just right for the one feminized seed to become a boy. Genetics aren't quite that simple......

I would love to read about that. I have only read blogs from people that do not know what they are doing.

So if a feminized seed is nearly 100% female the sex is predetermined.
Why isn't the sex predetermined in non-feminized seeds?

This is the best I have read on the subject:
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/133478-almost-final-answer-what-determines-sex.html

No one has been able to offer me any compelling evidence that sex is not predetermined.

There is a company that claims to be able to determine the sex of a cannabis plant 7 days after germination.
If that is true, claims that environment weeks out can effect sex are dubious at best.

3.) Polymerase Chain Reaction PCR and Gel electrophoresis are biotechnology tools for genetic analysis. Montana Biotech has created a PCR based test for determining cannabis marijuana seedlings sex 1 week after seed germination! Cannabis sex is determined by X, Y chromosomes, kinda like humans. This test allows a technician to test for the presence of female or maleness in marijuana seedlings before even the most seasoned cultivator can tell!

http://montanabiotech.com/category/best-method-for-sex-determination-of-cannabis/

 

[Bubbagineer]

I read this today and thought about you alls discussion.. It's still not definitive, but its good info I think. I did some poking around the site and the guy looks to be the real deal. Tons on info here... gonna take me awhile to check it all out, but he's been published and lists numerous peer reviewed research papers. I've never heard of him, but that ain't saying much... Anyway here's an excerpt and the link. There's more info on the topic at the site.

Also dude says he has genetic test kits so you can positively identify sex 2 weeks after germination as well as test your own weed for cannabinoid content (my bs alarm is going off, but it is elaborate hoax if so lol)I actually may buy the sexing test kit if I can convince myself it isn't snake oil - it would be a big help to staying within my plant limit. What do you guys think? Navigating his site is a pain in the ass though, has the feel of a messy desk.

Cannabis sex determination is genetically influenced! Yes environment matters, but not as much as you would think. When a plant “hermaphrodites”, it is not the case of a female plant “turning” male or visa versa, as much as a survival tactic of the plant. The plant is responding to signals in its environment and in turn, responds with a monoecious latent genetic trait to survive to the next generation. Creation of seed is the whole life’s purpose of a cannabis plant to pass its genes to the next generation.

http://montanabiotech.com/about-montana-biotech/

 

[420circuit]

I read this today and thought about you alls discussion.. It's still not definitive, but its good info I think. I did some poking around the site and the guy looks to be the real deal. Tons on info here... gonna take me awhile to check it all out, but he's been published and lists numerous peer reviewed research papers. I've never heard of him, but that ain't saying much... Anyway here's an excerpt and the link. There's more info on the topic at the site.

Also dude says he has genetic test kits so you can positively identify sex 2 weeks after germination as well as test your own weed for cannabinoid content (my bs alarm is going off, but it is elaborate hoax if so lol)I actually may buy the sexing test kit if I can convince myself it isn't snake oil - it would be a big help to staying within my plant limit. What do you guys think? Navigating his site is a pain in the ass though, has the feel of a messy desk.

Cannabis sex determination is genetically influenced! Yes environment matters, but not as much as you would think. When a plant “hermaphrodites”, it is not the case of a female plant “turning” male or visa versa, as much as a survival tactic of the plant. The plant is responding to signals in its environment and in turn, responds with a monoecious latent genetic trait to survive to the next generation. Creation of seed is the whole life’s purpose of a cannabis plant to pass its genes to the next generation.

http://montanabiotech.com/about-montana-biotech/

The link is to a page with what looks like hundreds of links to other pages about anything you ever wanted to know about Mary Jane. OMG, it's like the library of congress for weed, this guy has been busy.