Lets talk about the war on drugs..

[Padawanbater2]

OK, so the point of this thread is finding out when you think the war on drugs will end, if ever, and what will be the cause of it

I see legalization efforts for cannabis on a daily basis these days, I feel optimistic about at least medicinal legalization nation wide within the decade. I think people are realizing both the exaggerated harmfulness of it as well as the consequences of locking people up for it. The people who don't necessarily support cannabis are even getting on board because locking people up for it wastes resources that could be better spent on violent offenses.

I think the biggest obstacle to ending the war on drugs is the pharmaceutical industry and their lobbyists. I'm not sure how the war on that front will be won, but they've got billions of dollars to spend on influencing politicians. There's still a big stigma for politicians to come out and speak freely about the war on drugs, I don't think middle America would be quite on board with ending it as they are with legalizing cannabis, but what would ending it entirely even do? Do we want all drugs to be legal and regulated like alcohol? Do we want all drugs to be legal, but not regulated or manufactured by legitimate businesses? Would that "send the wrong message [to kids]"?

I want all drugs to be completely legal and just leave the social stigmas around to turn people off against them. I use myself as an example, even if heroin was legal, I have no interest in using it or trying it, it's something I've been told can't be matched, an "orgasm x's 1000!", and still, no interest because I know and understand the damage it can cause to my body, relationships and life. I think if kids understand the consequences and get educated by people who have a vested interest in what is true and not scare tactics they'll listen.

Overall, the benefits to ending the war on drugs, in my opinion, far outweigh any perceived moral obligation someone might feel to keep drugs illegal. There is really no legitimate justification for continuing the war on drugs, especially now, considering all the evidence and data collected.


What do you think?

 

[ChesusRice]

preaching to the choir

 

[Padawanbater2]

How do you think the rest of mainstream America feels about the war on drugs?

 

[James286]

Until there is no longer profit to be made on imprisoning people, the war on drugs will go on.

Yes the pharmaceutical company's have a lot to do with it.

 

[NLXSK1]

Lets drug about the war on talk...

 

[Doer]

That is very hard to say. We are not really given truth no matter how hard we dig. And juries are quirky. Most folks are sadly hog tied mentally on the subject I'd say.

I watched a little of this Weed Country, 2 episodes. I cain't stand it! One side is normals, farming and not hurting anyone.

And they also follow the troopers, wooping around in the helicopters, being rambo assholes. And a poor smoo...trying to middle and the cops are following him down to Napa. He is in pre-trial phase. And one guy who is growing for the healing oils and has an epileptic young girl he grows for.

Main thing....the neighbors turn in these guys. Or they cause property boundary disputes to get the Sheriff into it. They flag down the Law and tell them about a trail they found. Guys they saw "hoses over the back, no way they were camping." I can't watch.

So, I say if the people, even in the emerald triangle, think the growers are scumbags addicting the youth, what is even possible for the rest of brainwashed everyone?

When WE turn against, we will know.

 

[demons19420]

the war on drugs will never end it makes the government way to much money if u think about it once a person gets popped look at the huge fines they have to pay from personal experience i had to pay almost 4 grand for just having 2 ounces in my possesion wich i think is rediculous. look at the laws to where they made cannabis legal the federal gov. has the right to do what ever they want trumping state laws so no one is truely safe from prosecution thats just with cannabis to. think about all the other drugs out there. the way i see it is as long as there is a supply and demand for any drug there will always be an excuse for the war on drugs.

 

[Rancho Cucamonga]

In order for the war on drugs to end we would have to have an actual working non-corrupt government. Same goes for ending wars, the failed justice system, growing prison system, changing marijuana scheduling, lobbyists in DC, failed health care system, more than a two-party political system ect. ect. Nothing will change without a new government and we are not getting one of those without great bloodshed as in a real revolution which IMO would leave our nation even worse off. Even though I think Obama is a joke and a traitor, he will be that last great hope that so many had(not me) for positive change in our system. Most who fell for that garbage, not all, but most now know our system is beyond repair and realize it is hopeless and so more will just conform to the norms making it even harder now to change things for the better.
I have lost all hope in government, if you want optimism I am not the one to listen to.

 

[ChesusRice]

In order for the war on drugs to end we would have to have an actual working non-corrupt government. Same goes for ending wars, the failed justice system, growing prison system, changing marijuana scheduling, lobbyists in DC, failed health care system, more than a two-party political system ect. ect. Nothing will change without a new government and we are not getting one of those without great bloodshed as in a real revolution which IMO would leave our nation even worse off. Even though I think Obama is a joke and a traitor, he will be that last great hope that so many had(not me) for positive change in our system. Most who fell for that garbage, not all, but most now know our system is beyond repair and realize it is hopeless and so more will just conform to the norms making it even harder now to change things for the better.
I have lost all hope in government, if you want optimism I am not the one to listen to.

Yes Obama is a traitor
He isnt doing nothing about Washington and Colorado

 

[Padawanbater2]

In order for the war on drugs to end we would have to have an actual working non-corrupt government. Same goes for ending wars, the failed justice system, growing prison system, changing marijuana scheduling, lobbyists in DC, failed health care system, more than a two-party political system ect. ect. Nothing will change without a new government and we are not getting one of those without great bloodshed as in a real revolution which IMO would leave our nation even worse off. Even though I think Obama is a joke and a traitor, he will be that last great hope that so many had(not me) for positive change in our system. Most who fell for that garbage, not all, but most now know our system is beyond repair and realize it is hopeless and so more will just conform to the norms making it even harder now to change things for the better.
I have lost all hope in government, if you want optimism I am not the one to listen to.

I feel pretty much the same. Though history makes me feel like it happens all the time.. The next generation will see the corruption, a new savior will come along, just like Obama did, in 2016-2020 and they'll elect him, hoping for change, he'll promise things, just like Obama did, get elected, then distance himself from his elected platform to coincide with mainstream politics. His posse of voters will support him, no matter what he does, in hopes of real change, it won't come, and he'll likely be elected to a second term with the promise of actual change, just like Obama. Government procedures will be hidden and will require an official freedom of information act request to release anything, the press will continue to ignore war crimes and domestic issues, like immigration reform, the war on drugs and monetary policy, you know, things that would actually benefit the country, and instead focus on the decades long argument without solution - birth control, gay marriage, gun control and creationism in schools.. We'll spend another 5 years on that bullshit never coming to an actual conclusion but wasting billions of taxpayers dollars, the congress and senate will revel in their perceived accomplishments and business will continue as usual. Here you are in 2013, here you'll be in 2020.

Business as usual..

 

[Rob Roy]

The war on drugs is a symptom. The disease is "people that want to control others that harm nobody." This disease manifests in many ways.

As far as the war on drugs some people think "taxing and regulating" is an accomplishement. I think it doesn't drive out the disease, instead it seeks permission for self ownership, which is facially a contradiction.

 

[bud nugbong]

Yes I think its illegal because the people who benifit are somewhat of a majority. ( lawyers, police, prisons, drug rehab centers, even big time drug cartels would lose money). The only people really suffering are the ones who need to directly deal with these junkies. wether trying to support and help become a better person, or a junkie neighbor who steals shit from you it can be a real problem that usually leads to work for one of the forementioned people.

Its sad really.

 

[Padawanbater2]

The war on drugs is a symptom. The disease is "people that want to control others that harm nobody." This disease manifests in many ways.

As far as the war on drugs some people think "taxing and regulating" is an accomplishement. I think it doesn't drive out the disease, instead it seeks permission for self ownership, which is facially a contradiction.

Do you believe it is a total sum of success or nothing? Total success being all drugs are legal. Or do you think working towards small goals, like the legalization of cannabis state by state, is beneficial to the overall goal?

 

[millie]

The war on drugs will not end any time soon. Too many people are employed by it, cops, judges, lawyers and too many people have something to gain from it financialy. Privately owned jails pump so much money into making sure that cannabis stays illegal because the more people that are in jail the more money for them. People who grow/manufacture and sell also benefit because drugs being illegal pushes the price of their drugs right up. When you look at it the war on drugs thoroughly it's easy to tell it's nearly entirely economically motivated.

 

[Rob Roy]

Do you believe it is a total sum of success or nothing? Total success being all drugs are legal. Or do you think working towards small goals, like the legalization of cannabis state by state, is beneficial to the overall goal?

Good question. Being beaten by a smaller stick is "better" than a big stick, so I see why people advocate tax and regulate. I think at the core "the state" will always be the problem.

I prefer not to concede the state power over peaceful people. I prefer not give them money for permission to use my body and then have them take the same money and use it to harm other people. I don't want to "regulate" slavery, I want to abolish it.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Good question. Being beaten by a smaller stick is "better" than a big stick, so I see why people advocate tax and regulate. I think at the core "the state" will always be the problem.

I prefer not to concede the state power over peaceful people. I prefer not give them money for permission to use my body and then have them take the same money and use it to harm other people. I don't want to "regulate" slavery, I want to abolish it.

Admirable, and I'm totally on board with that idea. But I don't think it will happen without baby steps, so to speak.. I think supporting regulation is a step towards progress, even if it isn't the eventual progress we want in the end. Regulation is still better than completely illegal, right? Once it's regulated nationwide, I think it'll become easier to fight for total legalization.

 

[millie]

The war on drugs is a symptom. The disease is "people that want to control others that harm nobody." This disease manifests in many ways.

As far as the war on drugs some people think "taxing and regulating" is an accomplishement. I think it doesn't drive out the disease, instead it seeks permission for self ownership, which is facially a contradiction.

[h=2][/h]

I personally disagree if you look at the huge obesity epidemic at the moment and the fact that we are getting kids hooked and sugar, a substance more addictive than cocaine. I think you would realise that governments really couldnt give two shits about the health of it's citizens and instead are motivated by economical and political reasons.
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[Rob Roy]

Admirable, and I'm totally on board with that idea. But I don't think it will happen without baby steps, so to speak.. I think supporting regulation is a step towards progress, even if it isn't the eventual progress we want in the end. Regulation is still better than completely illegal, right? Once it's regulated nationwide, I think it'll become easier to fight for total legalization.

I think supporting regulation should be done cautiously. I will admit I've "supported" medical marijuana and tax and regulate and would be pleased to see ANY reduction in harm caused by prohibitionists. Yet, ending any government involvement in what a person may or may not consume is the real goal.


Either way, I will do what I do, permission or not, because I own myself, and you own you.

 

[Rob Roy]

I personally disagree if you look at the huge obesity epidemic at the moment and the fact that we are getting kids hooked and sugar, a substance more addictive than cocaine. I think you would realise that governments really couldnt give two shits about the health of it's citizens and instead are motivated by economical and political reasons.
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Power over others is the worst drug, careful what you wish for. I don't need a mommy or daddy telling me what to consume, neither do obese people.

 

[millie]

Power over others is the worst drug, careful what you wish for. I don't need a mommy or daddy telling me what to consume, neither do obese people.

Im not wishing for anything i would like the government to stay out of people's business, however they dont. I was just pointing out how hypocritical it all is that they say we are protecting people from drugs and yet most kids are addicted to sugar.