New to rollitup.org - New CFL Grower - Think I may have issues already. Help!

[RIKNSTEIN]

SEE?? GRRRRRRR!! What is going on with my grow?? *Bashes head into wall*

But no really, I'm tired of running into issues and every time I see pics like this it makes me sad haha.

And from seeing this, mine obviously have stunted growth, too! Argh!

Man I feel ya bro, I had a prob just like you when I started out, it gets better, My advise is 1) Don't start your babies in a cup, you end up over watering 'IMO'. 2) It doesn't matter what soil you grow in, you still have to find out what that soil is going to do for or against you, I stuck with MG cuz I can grow in it and it's cheap..lol.. 3) Experiment, by this I mean do things different with different bagseeds until you got it right. I was lucky, even though I fought nute def, then nute overdose, then spider mites my first is coming back strong with some frosty buds at week 3 of flower...and just to make you feel better..lol..I'll post 1 of my fuckups for you...good things first though..lol..



And now the bad..

this is what happens when you don't know how to grow with MG!!!

But like Bakatare says, this one was on the short bus...here she is now.. EDIT: this one is still in MG...
and you'll get it so quite gettin discouraged, it's trial and error bud.

 

[Bakatare666]

My advise is 1) Don't start your babies in a cup, you end up over watering 'IMO'. 2) It doesn't matter what soil you grow in, you still have to find out what that soil is going to do for or against you, I stuck with MG cuz I can grow in it and it's cheap..lol.. 3) Experiment, by this I mean do things different with different bagseeds until you got it right.

Man, usually I like what you say, but
1), I sprout mine in a cup.
3), I kinda disagree with this, because last season I had 2 diff. bagseed side by side, one heavy Sativa, the other heavy Indica, and the Sativa was a fuckin nute hog.
I almost had to mix 2 separate batches of water and food.
And, I don't usually like to experiment.
I'm sticking with the MG soil despite what people say, because it is still working for me, maybe I'm just lucky so far.
Kinda like ordering something new when you go out to eat.
I have 3 or 4 things I always order and that's it, so I don't get something I don't like. LOL
I guess I've just been lucky....... I'm not saying what you said doesn't make sense, but I'm doing almost all of it ass backwards.

 

[Galvatron]

the way your soill clings to the sides of your cup says that you are dumping too much water too fast when you're watering and you flood the cups then let soak. you want to water them slowly to avoid compacting the soil and uneven watering..

 

[natro.hydro]

Always start mine in cups, trick to that overwatering thing is poking holes in the bottom for drainage .
Apo I want to agree with you but if it is that then imo it is lockout. You will not be able to use the same probe in soil as water, atleast not accurately. Correct me if I am wrong but that is why they make soil ph meters for so cheap compared to water, if I jammed my milwaukee meter in my soil I am not so sure the probe would be calibrated anymore....
Have you calibrated the meter at all? If your soil ends up being too acidic by only a lil (6) you will start to lockout N
^galv it is so simple I did not even think to mention it but if you cemented the poor lil root systems then they are pretty screwed short of another transplant. Common noob error, if you watch that joke finshaggy's how not to grow videos he demonstrates watering from like a foot and a half away from your soil, slow and steady is what you want so you do not pack down the soil, if anything I look to see the top layer is lose and lifts a lil when I water...

 

[RIKNSTEIN]

Man, usually I like what you say, but
1), I sprout mine in a cup.
3), I kinda disagree with this, because last season I had 2 diff. bagseed side by side, one heavy Sativa, the other heavy Indica, and the Sativa was a fuckin nute hog.
I almost had to mix 2 separate batches of water and food.
And, I don't usually like to experiment.
I'm sticking with the MG soil despite what people say, because it is still working for me, maybe I'm just lucky so far.
Kinda like ordering something new when you go out to eat.
I have 3 or 4 things I always order and that's it, so I don't get something I don't like. LOL
I guess I've just been lucky....... I'm not saying what you said doesn't make sense, but I'm doing almost all of it ass backwards.

lol..I over water everytime...about #1...I killed 3 in a cup...lmao..didn't want to admit that but there it is...and ya I'm still learning, but I think I'm deffinitely the one doin it bass akwards..see can't even spell it right, and I'm the same way when I go out too...order the same thing..lol

 

[Apomixis]

I put all of my potted ornamentals in MG soil each year. The only difference there is that, most of the time, the plants are started in different soil. Like the plants I get at the nursery... Otherwise, they fucking love that MG soil and the MG blue water soluble nutes (that supposedly make bud taste horrible.). They love it. Especially the leafy shit like Coleus or Zinnia or Begonias... I can't understand why so many people have problems with MG. It must be hard on seedlings or something.

 

[Bakatare666]

I put all of my potted ornamentals in MG soil each year. The only difference there is that, most of the time, the plants are started in different soil. Like the plants I get at the nursery... Otherwise, they fucking love that MG soil and the MG blue water soluble nutes (that supposedly make bud taste horrible.). They love it. Especially the leafy shit like Coleus or Zinnia or Begonias... I can't understand why so many people have problems with MG. It must be hard on seedlings or something.

My last 3 plants, got the blue stuff (All Purpose) until they were in flower, and even then, every now and then for the N.

 

[RIKNSTEIN]

Man, usually I like what you say, but
1), I sprout mine in a cup.
3), I kinda disagree with this, because last season I had 2 diff. bagseed side by side, one heavy Sativa, the other heavy Indica, and the Sativa was a fuckin nute hog.
I almost had to mix 2 separate batches of water and food.
And, I don't usually like to experiment.
I'm sticking with the MG soil despite what people say, because it is still working for me, maybe I'm just lucky so far.
Kinda like ordering something new when you go out to eat.
I have 3 or 4 things I always order and that's it, so I don't get something I don't like. LOL
I guess I've just been lucky....... I'm not saying what you said doesn't make sense, but I'm doing almost all of it ass backwards.

lmao..that's why I was sayin experiment, cuz until I talked to you and some others, pot was pot and kush was better..lol...let alone sativa, indica, and how ever many strains there are (I'm learning infinite is the answer to that one)

 

[Apomixis]

Natro- it could well be lockout, only a decent test will tell... Has anyone shown our man the nute availability chart?

Haleo- nutrients are only available within a certain ph range, so if your soil is too acidic or basic, the plant won't be able to access them even if they are present in the soil... That's the big deal with ph. You want to keep the soil ph right so your plants can absorb the nutrients present. This is why it becomes necessary to have a ph meter. It lets you determine if what you are seeing is the result of a deficiency (soil which is low in a particular element), or if its simply "locked out" due to incorrect ph.

 

[haoleflip]

the way your soill clings to the sides of your cup says that you are dumping too much water too fast when you're watering and you flood the cups then let soak. you want to water them slowly to avoid compacting the soil and uneven watering..

I see...thanks! That is true I kind of dump to fill a small reservoir then watch it sink.

Always start mine in cups, trick to that overwatering thing is poking holes in the bottom for drainage .
Apo I want to agree with you but if it is that then imo it is lockout. You will not be able to use the same probe in soil as water, atleast not accurately. Correct me if I am wrong but that is why they make soil ph meters for so cheap compared to water, if I jammed my milwaukee meter in my soil I am not so sure the probe would be calibrated anymore....
Have you calibrated the meter at all? If your soil ends up being too acidic by only a lil (6) you will start to lockout N
^galv it is so simple I did not even think to mention it but if you cemented the poor lil root systems then they are pretty screwed short of another transplant. Common noob error, if you watch that joke finshaggy's how not to grow videos he demonstrates watering from like a foot and a half away from your soil, slow and steady is what you want so you do not pack down the soil, if anything I look to see the top layer is lose and lifts a lil when I water...

I have four big holes at the bottom of each cup:


And as far as the pH meter goes I think I am going to get a better digital one with ppm, too. Just have to wait til the first when I get paid.

 

[Apomixis]

You can see why right here.

 

[RIKNSTEIN]

Natro- it could well be lockout, only a decent test will tell... Has anyone shown our man the nute availability chart?

Haleo- nutrients are only available within a certain ph range, so if your soil is too acidic or basic, the plant won't be able to access them even if they are present in the soil... That's the big deal with ph. You want to keep the soil ph right so your plants can absorb the nutrients present. This is why it becomes necessary to have a ph meter. It lets you determine if what you are seeing is the result of a deficiency (soil which is low in a particular element), or if its simply "locked out" due to incorrect ph.

View attachment 2577835here ya go buddy hope this helps.

 

[Bakatare666]

View attachment 2577835here ya go buddy hope this helps.

Can I post mine too?View attachment 2577862

 

[Apomixis]

Ver nice indeed. This is good info that always helps.

 

[Bakatare666]

Ver nice indeed. This is good info that always helps.

Isn't that what we're here for??????????

 

[haoleflip]

Can I post mine too?

I unliked this 5 times, so I could like it 6 times. Loving the leaf color chart. That will come in handy for sure! Thank you!

 

[ranchos429]

Haoleflip,light warrior is a seed starting mix it doesnt have much nutes in it at all,read the back of the bag it says to start feeding after 5 days.I would transplant to something a bit hotter now.,or at least top dress and you will see a difference.When I sprout with light warrior in a cup I put top half light warrior and bottom half something stronger like happy frog and ocean forrest mixed or what not seems to help.good luck.

 

[roseypeach]

hey there! been reading up on your little girls and I have a bit of adv to throw in. When they are seedlings like that, I use plain ph'd water in a spray bottle and spray the soil around the little plant thoroughly about every day or two (depending on your overall humidity). It helps to keep it moist enough without overdoing it and overwhelming the little seedling.

only other thing I can add is, and I know it is the toughest lol, being patient. I know, you've heard it before, but honestly, you can't rush mother nature. I've been coming here for this is the end of my second year and these guys have taught me SO MUCH and thankfully were patient with me LOL. Just keep in touch and keep posting those pics. Cheers!

 

[nuckyt]

You just find this thread and start throwing shit. And you're telling me I'm not helping.

The real kicker is how I started off just like you, taking shots at the difficulty our man haleoflip was having. Haleo told me I was being a fucking cock just like you are now, and I realized he was right. From that point on, a couple of cool members and i have been genuinely trying to help him find what his problem area is so, in future grows, he can grow super duper expert level weed like you do, right? So take a step back bro, you're being a fucking cock. He knows what his seedlings look like, he is growing them. And he is working his way through the process, learning about plants. So... If you don't have anything constructive to say, go choke on something.

Also while I'm at it.... Mr king shit, how much of your yield is due to your fancy ass training, and how much is the plant genotype?
Youre just another asshat taking credit for breeders work and a plants genetic programming. Yeah, you're King Shit. Your Op is just so dialed in, it's like your the Michael Jordan of weed cultivation. Excuse me for stepping on toes. Who am I?

Now we can resume nursing these lil ones back to health. Sorry for jacking the thread, Haleo.

Lol youre funny dude. I'm trying to keep it real with him I'd scrap those and start over theyve been through hell and back already. So thats my constructive advice 3 transplants and they dont even look an inch tall lol. I would start over and apply the knowledge you guys are giving him those dont look like there going to make it!

 

[natro.hydro]

Pretty sure bak uses mg and it is kind of the reason I stopped acting like you. I saw someone pull a decent harvest off a plant with cfls and mg. They can come back from where they are, killing them does not teach him anything and he only gains to learn more. Mine all looked worse except for the NYPD and while I should have scrapped them and started over I did not and now you can not even tell the difference other than that it has taken me a while to get this far, while my problem was light intensity and yours appears to be in the nute realm. Stop trolling and be constructive man..... All this technical crap you mean the legitimate environment questions I asked? I am not holding dudes hand through this grow (physically, more than willing to help on the boards) so I can only start to figure out what is wrong by knowing definitively what it is not, that is my method of trouble shooting though....
EDIT:^wrote this as you wrote the above reply, slightily constructive so you are headed in the right direction, i do not think it is the timeline that is important anymore, I think it is the personal challenge to see if it can be done lol
And to the op, you thought about raising your humidity? might be choking your poor lil stomata out depending on what kind of strain you are growing and that could be slowing growth, some like it steamy, some like it dry all comes with learning the strain you are growing... I would aim for 50 all the way through if you could, I do not drop it any in flower I also don't foliar in flower like some do