How the hell do I get a male plant from TGA!?!?!?!

bamacheese

bamacheese

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This is really starting to piss me off!!! Most people wouldn't complain about getting all female plants, but I'm trying to breed and keep these genetics around!!!!

I've heard that if you up the seedling temp to the mid 80's, the male/female ratio will increase....Is this true? Right now I'm at a 0 to 15 male/female ratio.
 
ddimebag

ddimebag

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I recently got 3 males out of 4 regular seeds (Ace of Spades)... they did get re-potted before they were rootbound...maybe that's what did it...One of the males looks like a keeper though...Last of the males to show gender, short, with indica leaves that smell like sour berries, and purple flowers. Going to cross it with a cherry thai dominant Cherry OG...
 
GrowinTheDank

GrowinTheDank

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I always thought it was just luck of the draw with regular seeds. Honestly though, I wouldn't do anything to induce a male plant if you are trying to breed. You want the strongest, healthiest male you can grow to cross with your ladies.
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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ha ha ha a plant does not turn male so trying to change your environment to up your male female ratio is poop if it's male it's male. you might try to stress one fo some naners thats probably what Iam going to do when I find my space bomb pheno, make S1's
 
bottletoke

bottletoke

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I always thought that you would want the weakest smallest male with the strongest biggest female to make the cross more female dominant??? Genetically speaking....not as in sex.
 
ddimebag

ddimebag

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You can try treating your best female (or a part of it) with silver colloid or silver thiosulfate to get it to grow pollen sacks. The silver inhibits a hormone that tells the plant to be female, as a result it develops male flowers. For breeding it would be preferable to use a natural male though...
 
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SeeRockCity

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tusseltussel said:
ha ha ha a plant does not turn male so trying to change your environment to up your male female ratio is poop if it's male it's male. you might try to stress one fo some naners thats probably what Iam going to do when I find my space bomb pheno, make S1's
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good to know, there is so much misinformation out there....
 
bamacheese

bamacheese

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ddimebag said:
You can try treating your best female (or a part of it) with silver colloid or silver thiosulfate to get it to grow pollen sacks. The silver inhibits a hormone that tells the plant to be female, as a result it develops male flowers. For breeding it would be preferable to use a natural male though...
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I wasn't asking about how to force a plant to hermie, or making feminized seeds.

I've heard from several reputable sources that they had the same problem when they started their seedlings out at 70 degrees. Getting ridiculous female to male ratios. The same people said that once they upped their germ temperature to 85 degrees, they got near the normal half and half ratio.

And for the smart ass that said the environment has nothing to do with male to female ratio, I would highly suggest you look into the gender determinants for dioecious plants. Gender isn't genetically predetermined in each seed, plants develop much like mammals do, where the gender is determined during a particular part of cellular division. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a valid question, especially without citing any scientific principles behind it.

You've obviously never heard of how gender is determined in crocodiles, and that is just one famous example of a complex multi-cellular organism whose environment plays a KEY role in determining gender. Thinking that genes are encoded for a particular gender is completely foolish, and anybody who understands biology on a high school level should understand this.
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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I'm thinking maybe I'm the smart ass in this one.... Thank you..... I suggest you take a trip over to the breeding section of this forum. I wanted a son so I had them crank up the heat in the delivery room.
bamacheese said:
I wasn't asking about how to force a plant to hermie, or making feminized seeds.

I've heard from several reputable sources that they had the same problem when they started their seedlings out at 70 degrees. Getting ridiculous female to male ratios. The same people said that once they upped their germ temperature to 85 degrees, they got near the normal half and half ratio.

And for the smart ass that said the environment has nothing to do with male to female ratio, I would highly suggest you look into the gender determinants for dioecious plants. Gender isn't genetically predetermined in each seed, plants develop much like mammals do, where the gender is determined during a particular part of cellular division. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a valid question, especially without citing any scientific principles behind it.
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bamacheese

bamacheese

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tusseltussel said:
I'm thinking maybe I'm the smart ass in this one.... Thank you..... I suggest you take a trip over to the breeding section of this forum. I wanted a son so I had them crank up the heat in the delivery room.
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I actually wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the person who said "a male is a male, regardless, lmao" or something of that nature. I'm really not trying to be a prick to anyone either. Just cranking up some useful dialogue. Exchanges like this only further the knowledge of both parties. Peace and love to you brotha!
 
bamacheese

bamacheese

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tusseltussel said:
I'm thinking maybe I'm the smart ass in this one.... Thank you..... I suggest you take a trip over to the breeding section of this forum. I wanted a son so I had them crank up the heat in the delivery room.
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Oh wait, that was you. Peace and love to you anyway, maybe we both will take away some knowledge from this exchange.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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bamacheese said:
I wasn't asking about how to force a plant to hermie, or making feminized seeds.

I've heard from several reputable sources that they had the same problem when they started their seedlings out at 70 degrees. Getting ridiculous female to male ratios. The same people said that once they upped their germ temperature to 85 degrees, they got near the normal half and half ratio.
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The fact that feminized seeds exist suggests to me that sex is predetermined and that environment has nothing to do with it.


bamacheese said:
And for the smart ass that said the environment has nothing to do with male to female ratio, I would highly suggest you look into the gender determinants for dioecious plants. Gender isn't genetically predetermined in each seed, plants develop much like mammals do, where the gender is determined during a particular part of cellular division. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a valid question, especially without citing any scientific principles behind it.
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I am a smart ass, but not that smart ass.
Do you have something that shows that sex is not predetermined in cannabis seeds? I have been unable to find anything that backs that up. Common sense leads me to believe that cannabis seeds already have the sex determined.

bamacheese said:
You've obviously never heard of how gender is determined in crocodiles, and that is just one famous example of a complex multi-cellular organism whose environment plays a KEY role in determining gender. Thinking that genes are encoded for a particular gender is completely foolish, and anybody who understands biology on a high school level should understand this.
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So you do not understand biology on a high school level?
I would bet the farm that sex in cannabis is determined in the seed and not by the environment.
This is based on my personal experience producing seeds and the fact that
I can not find any evidence which backs up environmental factors determining sex in cannabis.
 
Figong

Figong

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tusseltussel said:
http://www.amazon.com/Colloidal-Silver-Ultra-240-ppm/dp/B0036RM6E2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1363790754&sr=8-3&keywords=colidial+silver


you could cut it down to about 50 ppm and I think you just spray it on the plant from a week before flower untile 2 weeks after. check out the breeding sub forum they can hook you up
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Agreed, CS or GA are viable options as long as you aren't fighting with a few strains that seem to resist a lower dosage (figuratively) of the CS.
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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bamacheese said:
I actually wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the person who said "a male is a male, regardless, lmao" or something of that nature. I'm really not trying to be a prick to anyone either. Just cranking up some useful dialogue. Exchanges like this only further the knowledge of both parties. Peace and love to you brotha!
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oh that was definetly me..... A male is a male and a female is a female or herm genetics are not determined by environment. if that excert from the grow bible were true all the plants I grew from 1996-2000 would have been male because I had the shittiest environment in the world. boys will be boys
 
bamacheese

bamacheese

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Trousers said:
The fact that feminized seeds exist suggests to me that sex is predetermined and that environment has nothing to do with it.




I am a smart ass, but not that smart ass.
Do you have something that shows that sex is not predetermined in cannabis seeds? I have been unable to find anything that backs that up. Common sense leads me to believe that cannabis seeds already have the sex determined.




So you do not understand biology on a high school level?
I would bet the farm that sex in cannabis is determined in the seed and not by the environment.
This is based on my personal experience producing seeds and the fact that
I can not find any evidence which backs up environmental factors determining sex in cannabis.
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Let me explain this to you, if you are willing to open your ears for a second...

Sex, or gender, for almost every existent eukaryote (multi-cellular organism), is determined through a process called meiosis. I'm not going to patronize you by explaining what meiosis is, if you aren't aware you can look it up, but I have a feeling you are very well aware of the process.

The question then becomes what determines gender, and when it is determined. In homosapiens, for example, an XY sex-determination system plays out, where specific sex chromosomes (XX) and (XY) have been isolated during meiosis, and shown at certain combinations to produce certain results. This type of sex-determination can also be found in a few species of plants, Ginkgo being a well known one.

Another type of sex-determination system is called "Temperature-dependent sex-determinaion". It has been well documented in numerous reptile species, and is currently being studied for hundreds of dioecious flowers.

For most dioecious plants, including cannabis, the type of sex-determination system the plant uses is largely unknown. Our knowledge regarding its function is increasing day by day.

Hopefully you will take a minute to look up exactly how gender is determined throughout the animal world, it is remarkably fascinating. I hope one day as a species we will better understand sex-determination in the plant world, because it is simply unsolved at this point in time.
 
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