UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
i'll repeat the question since blindness and dementia are symptoms of syphilis: when have i advocated for socialism?
Income tax is theft
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Rob Roy
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Healthcare. Checkmate.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
how so?
a public option to compete with private providers is MORE competition.
and why are private, for profit providers so scared of a public option? i thought their contention was that government can't do anything right or as well as the private sector.
so please do explain to me how more competition and private insurers is socialism.
Rob Roy
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You may have a point. You're more of a fascist socialist. There's so many "ists" out there, sometimes I get them confused.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
"Option" implies being able to say no. cn
Doer
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I don't know how to answer your feeling here. It's a tough world and more gentle here than anywhere. I'm pretty sure the lure of Utopia was written out first thing. Free to chase happiness.
We can even knock ourselves out.
The 9th says you have the right to decide to not follow the Law, even. And you can form action committees, band together, bend the tyranny of settled opinion.
As far as the Man. Well, it is all a big plot by the Man to keep the brothers down, init it?"
So, my fine forum friend, these are fine debate points. And nothing that one person can do about any of it, but, be REAL unto your self. I get along by being a sativa chameleon (#32, Rules of Power) and I take to heart that our Founders were stoners and set this up so we didn't have to give up. They wanted it to be a success and they knew there would be trouble.
It sorts on Merit, I think, the Capital I've been talking about.
All struggle, it is sort of like Buddhism without the re-incarnation or karma. Very Red, very Left. Yet, here is the home of the brave, the ceaseless struggle. It has not gotten worse, but the gangs are running the prisons, now. Stay out.
And, I fought the Pigs. I got tossed inside. I carried around a Buddhist text and the big black dudes were somewhat dumbfounded at the things I'd say.
It's been said before, but I had a little ole Epiphany of Self. I cease struggle only when I be myself and mind me and mine. Resting at Now.
But, I still have the magic papers and I have no right to see myself as any different from those who's lives lead to govt service. And with Rights are Responsibilities, some are called to Duty requiring great Honor of all kinds. And in that I can still Hope for the (che-ist, in my mind) Republic. I see us all in the same boat, like it or not.
If I don't stand for WE after all this largess before me, I see myself as a bit un-realistically un-grateful, these days.
And being raised in the Texas school system, I'm constantly amazed how easy this generation and the last few just seem to be giving up.
Ya know what? Even, you don't worry or you really worry, OK. But, I don't worry because WE are in charge. It's just so subtle these days. Why?
I am so glad you asked. We have to be very careful WE don't get pissed off like we did about Viet Nam. So, the system is tested again. The 4th Wheel the Press only wants a little blood not a wipe out, so they have no desire to piss the Peps off either. The Press just wants to influence the market segments, sell advertising. The advertisers Lobby Congress and make goodies for us.
The 5th wheel is the Armed and should not be pissed off, WE. The actual Militias in every State that have their own plans.
My point (at last) It doesn't get truly ugly in the USA, these days, only because WE, the entire ball of undifferentiated citizens desire it to be balanced and subtle looking to raise the youts. And the Constitution defines what I have to worry about....nothing.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
so people can't say no to the public option and opt for the for profit, private providers?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
If both choices boil down to "pay the man, sweetie", and no nonpaying choice is included, I don't see that they can be called optional. cn
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
the non-paying choice is to be poor, like mr. neutron. that way you can get it for free.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I have read this with care and have been unable to find the method/procedure for doing what I sought. For me to have tangible power or influence, I working alone must be able to effect change that is demonstrably nonzero, even if it is tiny. "Casting a losing vote" I consider to have zero effect. cnI don't know how to answer your feeling here. It's a tough world and more gentle here than anywhere. I'm pretty sure the lure of Utopia was written out first thing. Free to chase happiness.
We can even knock ourselves out.
The 9th says you have the right to decide to not follow the Law, even. And you can form action committees, band together, bend the tyranny of settled opinion.
As far as the Man. Well, it is all a big plot by the Man to keep the brothers down, init it?"
So, my fine forum friend, these are fine debate points. And nothing that one person can do about any of it, but, be REAL unto your self. I get along by being a sativa chameleon (#32, Rules of Power) and I take to heart that our Founders were stoners and set this up so we didn't have to give up. They wanted it to be a success and they knew there would be trouble.
It sorts on Merit, I think, the Capital I've been talking about.
All struggle, it is sort of like Buddhism without the re-incarnation or karma. Very Red, very Left. Yet, here is the home of the brave, the ceaseless struggle. It has not gotten worse, but the gangs are running the prisons, now. Stay out.
And, I fought the Pigs. I got tossed inside. I carried around a Buddhist text and the big black dudes were somewhat dumbfounded at the things I'd say.
It's been said before, but I had a little ole Epiphany of Self. I cease struggle only when I be myself and mind me and mine. Resting at Now.
But, I still have the magic papers and I have no right to see myself as any different from those who's lives lead to govt service. And with Rights are Responsibilities, some are called to Duty requiring great Honor of all kinds. And in that I can still Hope for the (che-ist, in my mind) Republic. I see us all in the same boat, like it or not.
If I don't stand for WE after all this largess before me, I see myself as a bit un-realistically un-grateful, these days.
And being raised in the Texas school system, I'm constantly amazed how easy this generation and the last few just seem to be giving up.
Ya know what? Even, you don't worry or you really worry, OK. But, I don't worry because WE are in charge. It's just so subtle these days. Why?
I am so glad you asked. We have to be very careful WE don't get pissed off like we did about Viet Nam. So, the system is tested again. The 4th Wheel the Press only wants a little blood not a wipe out, so they have no desire to piss the Peps off either. The Press just wants to influence the market segments, sell advertising. The advertisers Lobby Congress and make goodies for us.
The 5th wheel is the Armed and should not be pissed off, WE. The actual Militias in every State that have their own plans.
My point (at last) It doesn't get truly ugly in the USA, these days, only because WE, the entire ball of undifferentiated citizens desire it to be balanced and subtle looking to raise the youts. And the Constitution defines what I have to worry about....nothing.
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
Damn right, Che was a murderous raping asshole. His ass got what he deserved.
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
My wife's work sent the wrong name. She just got around to changing her name, because we found our marriage certificate after all these years. The IRS is now accusing us of tax fraud. It stole our whole refund, or "welfare" as you call it. Her work even contacted the IRS, but it's not having any of it. We got fined/penalized the whole thing and they garnished her wages for the rest.
Some greatest nation. Sounds like something Somalia would do.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
so you guys fuck up and that's the government's fault?
i thought you were part of the party of personal responsibility. what happened to that?
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
So we sue her work, still don't get shit, but she loses her job?
Mistakes happen sistah.
A previous name from last year isn't fraud when you have retards using computers. It's only fraud to you and the IRS.
Most "people" would realize this, but the IRS is a money making corporation. You hate corporations and those like like me. Yet you love the government corporation.
Why don't you grow the fuck up, get a damn job and stop lying to your wife that your cell phone battery died. Instead man up you were stoned all day, you had trouble getting it up to jerk and therefore didn't want to answer.
Doer
Well-Known Member
OK, fair enough and if this is a private emerging problem for you and needs specifics to discuss, you can just send me a PM.
I know the product turned a bit rambled (a bit?) But, I keep going back to what you typed and I have to admit I was dancing around somewhat.
Man I have been thru the wringer, so if you want to just talk.....?
But, if I'm off that base, then please how can I help? The "I"s have it, and that then, shifts it. It's WE then run the show. The struggle continues across the 5 rails of govt.
No one person is in charge of much, even the elected Presidents see more chain of office, than freedom.
If you think one person can do anything but relax or not, I don't know about that.
Please tell me more.
Doer
Well-Known Member
No, it was before that.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution (the "Taxing and Spending Clause"), specifies Congress's power to impose "Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises," but Article I, Section 8 requires that, "Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."[SUP][32]
[/SUP]The Constitution specifically limited Congress' ability to impose direct taxes, by requiring Congress to distribute direct taxes in proportion to each state's census population.
In order to help pay for its war effort in the American Civil War, Congress imposed its first personal income tax in 1861.[SUP][35][/SUP] It was part of the Revenue Act of 1861 (3% of all incomes over US $800).[SUP][36][/SUP] This tax was repealed and replaced by another income tax in 1862.[SUP][37][/SUP]
In 1894, Democrats in Congress passed the Wilson-Gorman tariff, which imposed the first peacetime income tax.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution (the "Taxing and Spending Clause"), specifies Congress's power to impose "Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises," but Article I, Section 8 requires that, "Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."[SUP][32]
[/SUP]The Constitution specifically limited Congress' ability to impose direct taxes, by requiring Congress to distribute direct taxes in proportion to each state's census population.
In order to help pay for its war effort in the American Civil War, Congress imposed its first personal income tax in 1861.[SUP][35][/SUP] It was part of the Revenue Act of 1861 (3% of all incomes over US $800).[SUP][36][/SUP] This tax was repealed and replaced by another income tax in 1862.[SUP][37][/SUP]
In 1894, Democrats in Congress passed the Wilson-Gorman tariff, which imposed the first peacetime income tax.
OGEvilgenius
Well-Known Member
You really think, that the government - which can rewrite laws to their own benefit, operate at a loss for very long periods of time and forcibly take whatever resources necessary should be competing with private business (which can do absolutely none of those things)?
What do you suppose the inevitable end result of this policy will be?
It's pretty easy to see based on history and the objective facts.
canndo
Well-Known Member
Health insurance should not be in the hands of any private industry at all.
I was asked to attend and assist at a health "fair" where I helped distribute used glasses to American citizens who could not afford to get the glasses they needed to fucking SEE. I toured the entire fair with a friend and he seemed delighted at all the good work that was being done at this mega charity event where they were handing out free mamograms and general checkups and the like. I was first saddened and then angry. I told my friend that we should all be ashamed. He took offense and told me that they do the same thing in Mexico, whereupon I said "Mexico is a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY for god sake, this is America and we have to treat our citizens with the same charity outreach program as in a third world country"? He grew silent.
An 8 year old who goes begging for glasses so she can see to do her schoolwork in the United States? really? REALLY?
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
Haha! You're so full of shit. Every child gets free, or very low payment health insurance if the parents make too much.